[Closed] Looking at an sworksm5 2003

Hardtail, or Epic? Got pics?

HT, emailed pic - Thanks.

What model bike is it? (Stumpy, FSR etc). AFAIK M5 was later than 2003, I used to have the Anniversary model Stumpy FSR from 2004 which I think was the top of the range frame and it was M4. M5 is probably 2005/2006 onwards.

I sold the frame a few years ago for about £120. However just a few months ago I bought a stock 2004 (M4) Stumpy FSR frame for the wife off of eBay and paid just over £200 for it. IMO I overpaid by some way but she was very specific about colour, I could have got a 2006 M5 frame for the same money on the classifieds here.

Depending on the wear on all the components I'd probably offer a mate between £200 and £300 for it.

Edit: Just seen, HT.

I wouldn't expect it to be much more amazing than a standard oldish Stumpy HT in all honesty.

Bought a 2012 S-Works M5 Stumpy 29er frame from Bike Scene recently, lovely frame, ~1800g though which surprised me.

£400 or so given the age? How old are the Sids, same age as the rest?

AFAIK M5 was later than 2003, I used to have the Anniversary model Stumpy FSR from 2004 which I think was the top of the range frame and it was M4. M5 is probably 2005/2006 onwards.

Nope, M5 introduced in 2002 on the S-Works, there was no Stumpy FSR in 2003 though, it was only hardtail or Epic.

The 2004 anniversary one was not an S-Works, nor was the Pro, which was also significantly cheaper (£900 frame only or £2300 built IIRC). The S-Works Stumpy FSR returned in 2005, a sort of ano grey/blue colour.

I used to have the Anniversary model Stumpy FSR from 2004 which I think was the top of the range frame and it was M4.

Nah, S-Works stuff is always a couple of years ahead.

[url= http://www.specialized.co.uk/us/en/bikes/archive/2003/2003s-works/s-worksm5ht ]http://www.specialized.co.uk/us/en/bikes/archive/2003/2003s-works/s-worksm5ht[/url]

Edit: Curse you njee!

I bought a 2001 M4 stumpy ht frame in 2004 for £75.

Make of that what you will.

Thanks all! That's was quick!
Much appreciated.
It's a HT with all original parts by the looks of it.

This isnt the actual one but it's the same frame (but different forks and chainset etc)

It will be quite a brutal ride, if you're experienced and after something fast for racing on it looks like it could be worth a punt 🙂 If you're after something comfortable for trail riding I'm not sure it would be the best option.

This isnt the actual one but it's the same frame (but different forks and chainset etc)

Original spec was full XTR - SID World Cups, dual control levers etc. So assuming it's still like that it's a well specced bike, sounds like it's not in great nick though, and there's not much demand for those forks these days, it'll be a very uncompromising ride. I'd probably say £500 or so, it'll outperform anything you're going to get for that price new.

thanks again all
how do i upload a pic from a file?

You have to host it somewhere - Flickr, PhotoBucket etc, then post the link from there.

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/sj03scs5a7a8qci/10YAnWLEJE

Here's a pic - thanks again

Not original spec, quite a bit lower, looks like a frame only purchase. I'd probably pay £250-£300 if it all works ok.

I brought an SWorks FSR off a mate 4 years ago. It's M5 and the interweb suggests it dates from 2001. - [url= http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=256121 ]One here on Retrobike[/url]

I'm also fairly sure he's got an M5 HT of similar vintage and that IS mint.

I remember that bike, I worked at Beyond at the time! It was Phil wasn't it? He crashed and broke the bars fairly early on into it's ownership, remember trying to get a warranty replacement on them.

That's a 2002, the 2001 was this one (I had one):
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check the headset cups they had a habbit of coming lose, nothing that bearinf fit won't fix

I have the 2002 version - the red and white one. I paid £250 for the frame only in 2004 and for short blasts through the woods it's still the fastest bike I own by a long way. Three races this year and I've come 3rd, 1st and 2nd.

With Roval wheels, Durins and a mix of XT and XTR it weighs 22lbs. Ride is no different to my other hardtails (Soul and M4 Rockhopper). It helps to use a 27.2 seatpost and a shim rather than a 30.9.

Main thing to watch for is the rear dropouts tend to open out a bit especially on the non drive side so after a while the wheel points to the left slightly. Fixed with a coke can shim.

In those days S-Works frames were available on their own so a lot were bought and built up with various bits. The stuff on that one is not particularly great. I'd not pay more than maybe £300 max especially if the frame is in poor condition. The forks are light but flexy and the wheels are Mavic 717's - can't see the hubs. None of the rest of the kit seems to be very special.

The Stumjumper HTs latter became Rockhoppers, the exact same frame was used for years with just the name changing and some being M4 and some M5 (how much different M4/5 is I don’t know). I had the exact frame in M4 flavour as an 08 Rockhopper, I remember the review at the time saying it was a well proven frame as it had been out for years in various guises and was one of the first with a swoopy hydroformed down tube, it got 10/10 for a budget HT.

I liked mine although it had much lower spec, it was bought for £250 on ebay in disk brake format then upgraded to disks and some other bits and eventually sold for £350 2 years ago. £500 is too much IMO a newer Rockhopper version of the same could be a better buy - Subject to understanding if M5 makes much difference .

It was never exactly the same frame. Same material, and similar, but it wasn't the same.

You might be right neej but all variants of that frame I have ever seen look exactly the same to me, they all had the same standards and were designed for 100mm forks (I recall buying it specifically because a number of reviews commented that it was a classic / proven frame design). I cannot imagine they made it worse over time, tweaking the production maybe but nothing significant.

For a start I don't think any Stumpjumper HTs had rack mounts, all Rockhoppers have?

Very similar frames, to be honest as I mentioned before, the weight of my S-Works M5 2012 frame is virtually the same as a low end Carve frame, it even looks almost the same. Subtly different geometry, different grade of aluminium used, not much else.

Actually the older S-Works frames all had 80 or 90mm forks as standard, they only went to 100s quite a bit later. They are very similar, but not quite the same.

2003 S-Works:
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2008 Rockhopper
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For a start - they only started doing the ORE downtube (bendy) in 2002 when they introduced M5, the M4 S-Works was straight, whilst the M4 Rockhopper had the ORE down tube.

Stays and dropouts are different - cable guides are different, top tube is slightly different. They're similar for sure, but not the same.

I miss my old 2003 Stumpy M4 🙁

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If I had a garage I'd built it up again, too many bikes, no space!

Nick, dunno where my mate got his frames from. Are you talking about that Retrobike one?

Seeing Boris's HT last year was vaguely spooky as it was the first time I'd seen a similar Spesh.

Judging from the tiredness of the frame, it'd definitely be worth checking all the components and seeing how knacked they are.

Nick, dunno where my mate got his frames from. Are you talking about that Retrobike one?

Yep, which on re-reading isn't actually your mates one! But yes, remember that bike well!

Thanks all for your help.
S assuming it all rides fine and everything works as should, what do you think is a fair price to pay in the condition its in?
thanks all so much again!.

I'd be paying £250 - £300 depending on the condition of forks, drivetrain etc. If they're worn out pay a lot less, if newish pay the higher end.

I have a 2002 M4 hardtail as my race bike. Love it to bits (and picked it up for £150 in great condition 3 years ago). It has had light bits lavished on it and weighs around 20lbs (roval wheels, DT swiss XRC100 forks, Mt Zoom stem, bars, XTR drivetrain etc etc. Have ridden it for 12 hour races, 2 hour races, 220km race, and am about to do a 24 hour ride on it. Good shorts and a well fitting saddle are key as it is a firm ride.

The frame on mine is 1500 grams - I guess the M5 is around 1300g, so still competitive (although you can obviously get lighter carbon Scott Scale's, BeOne's etc etc)

Don't think frame weight changed that much at all. My carbon S-Works was more than 1300g!

Had an old sworks ht with full xtr ( v brakes ) was very quick with Sid wc forks
But never licked being on it for more than 90 min as it so unforgiving but so fast

Oddly a friend now has it with cable discs 700c wheels And
Drops , still light and fast just a bit odd looking

Any ways not worth much with that low spec and crappy avid brakes

My 2004 S-Works M5 is still my bike of choice for evening rides from the house. These pictures were taken just last night.

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