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So.. Im sure i’ve read recently somewhere that Matt Hancock said it was OK to drive a short distance to exercise?? Can anyone post me a link to this please
I just had a bbq in my garden, is that allowed
As long as you weren't sunbathing (apparently)
I’m merely pointing out that you could have avoided the confrontation completely if you’d heald your breath for a couple of seconds and, simply passed by.
Stop everything everyone! No need to social distance. No need to stay at home. No need for PPE. Just be careful when you breath. An expert in … er … something has spoken.
Idiots being idiots
So I'm sitting in my back garden currently, not far from the centre of a large Kent town.
All I can hear, every 20 seconds or so, is a motorbike accelerating away from some lights/down the motorway slip road etc.
Big single, then a vtwin, then an inline 4, then a v4, another inline 4, then a Harley...
My motorbike is safely tucked up in the garage. Some of these idiots are using the excuse that riding a motorbike is exercise.
Full lockdown coming this week. No exercise, no allowed out unless you have a form. The stupid public cannot be trusted.
I didn’t say it was your “fault”. I’m merely pointing out that you could have avoided the confrontation completely if you’d heald your breath for a couple of seconds and, simply passed by.
Seriously Colin, I'd have thought you'd know better. C19 isn't just "breath" related. I'm a sweaty MTBr, no doubt I've wiped my face with my glove and who knows if my clothes have the virus on them, and who knows if theirs do? Any slight squeeze through a space and swiping his/my clothes is possible transmission, best avoided by requesting a reasonable gap.
I was polite, sensible and observing a government request on behalf of my fellow human beings H&S, he was an arse. There's no more to it than that.
@bruneep - aren't you/Mrs Bruneep (presumably the phone operator) phoning the police?
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@bruneep – aren’t you/Mrs Bruneep (presumably the phone operator) phoning the police?
Ha! heck no going to London town would be the the last thing I'd be doing right now, safely confined to home in Aberdeen.
It popped up on my FB feed
Why phone the police when you can share your outrage on Facebook?
So that was yesterday, can only imagine what it's like now, as its probably going to hit 20 degrees in London/Kent today.
Thought I would ride my local roundabout loop that is popular with time triallers.
A. It's really boring
B. Having to continually pedal came as bit of a shock
C. I'm really slow.
D. How much at risk am I from heavy breathing time triallers going past me?
Looking for excuses not to have to do it again.
PS I too saw lots of motorbikers going to the shops. The eggs must have been in as they were in a real rush .
On the positive side of things, Derbyshire Roads Policing Unit's twitter feed seems to suggest that the Peak District honeypots are pretty quiet this weekend, fingers crossed:
https://twitter.com/DerbyshireRPU
That is positive news.
I was polite, sensible and observing a government request on behalf of my fellow human beings H&S, he was an arse. There’s no more to it than that.
Mea culpa. I wasn't there so don't know the exact circumstances.
I do think some people don't understand what lockdown means for people living in bedsits, hi-rise and garden less housing.
So that was yesterday, can only imagine what it’s like now, as its probably going to hit 20 degrees in London/Kent today.
Much better I believe, as the park is shut today
Klunk
I do think some people don’t understand what lockdown means for people living in bedsits, hi-rise and garden less housing.
That's why it's guidance and you're expected to use your discretion and common sense to avoid infection and to do no harm.
Ignore the Pharisees' angels on a pinhead interpretation and follow the guidance.
Another ride from the door today. More tarmac this time, but I'm exploring. I did revisit an old playground that I helped build in the mid '90's and there are still some trails, which is good. It's at the top of an 800ft climb, most of which is in 1.3 miles, which is not so good.
Driving standards much lower today, but I was using main roads for a lot of the ride.
Much better I believe, as the park is shut today
Good news, and looking at police twitters from all over the country, it looks like people are actually observing the advice. All I can hear along our road is hammering, banging, sawing, cutting - never thought I'd say that the constant sound of people doing DIY on a Sunday was a good thing!
I may venture out for an hour on the bike later on.
Next weekend will be the real turning point though, if it's nice weather. 4 day weekend + 20 degrees = too much temptation.
or i could rephrase it, and just some up the general tone of this thread with... why are ****ing poor people spoiling it for every one else.
Good news, and looking at police twitters from all over the country, it looks like people are actually observing the advice. All I can hear along our road is hammering, banging, sawing, cutting – never thought I’d say that the constant sound of people doing DIY on a Sunday was a good thing!
Started tidying the shed, mowed the lawn, and fixed a fence panel. During all that I discovered my 7yo daughter can ride my sons Giant TCX, skipping a now redundant Frog bike. So we now have an Isla and a Frog to sell. Played a bit of footie with the kids in the garden. With respect to all the issues around all of us is probably been one of the best Sundays for quite a while.
Klunk - been a lot of that here lately.
A question.
Mrs Lunge, an NHS worker, drives past our local country park (6 miles or so away) on her way to work.
I’m not visiting there at the moment, party as it’s just on the limit for a run, party as it’s been known to get busy during the day. This is a shame, as it has some awesome trails to run on and it’s just a nice place to be.
The question is, if she drops me off on her way to work (zero additional miles or any kind if diversion out of her way) and I run home from there, is that OK?
It’d be good to see some new scenery and at the time she’ll be dropping me off it’ll be very quiet indeed.
On the other hand, it’s a bit further than I’d normally go from home.
Thoughts?
or i could rephrase it, and just some up the general tone of this thread with… why are **** poor people spoiling it for every one else.
No-one is "spoiling it" for any one else. The guidelines are deliberately vague. The message is deliberately mixed.
Lockdown is inevitable.
Lockdown was always inevitable.
Every other step taken by this government has, in their own words, been critically timed for maximum effect. No reason that the biggest step would be any different.
What we are being subject to at the moment is government be nudge theory, creating an atmosphere of blame between the people, so that we will be responsible for our own consequential lockdown.
The next nudge will be that removing the lockdown might as well include removing the work travel restrictions, and we'll all be "rewarded" by Mr Cummings with an early return to the workplace.
The question is, if she drops me off on her way to work (zero additional miles or any kind if diversion out of her way) and I run home from there, is that OK?
Fine in my view
Are there really people not watching the news or listening to government guidance?
Think some are taking the 2m thing too far when out and about.
The WHO guidelines state that contact is deemed as someone who has been within 1m of someone for 15min when tracing people. Therefore they believe the chances of catching it from someone who you pass for all of 5 seconds is negligible to no chance, unless they touch you in a way to pass it or cough/sneeze on you (and then theres evidence to show that 2m isnt far enough to stop that event).
The virus doesnt suddenly jump from person to person at it's own free will.
So just get passed people as quickly as you can and be on your way, that goes for supermarket trips as well.
Lunge, your running home plan makes perfect sense to me.
However, there will be people who are outraged, and people who blame you for the coming lockdown.
It won't be your fault.
And it won't be their fault, they're being manipulated by a clever but sneaky government.
nd then theres evidence to show that 2m isnt far enough to stop that event
are you sure about that. The papers I've read have said viral RNA in a patients room not actual viable virus. Big difference between that and outside
I went for a walk today.
I stopped in the park to sit on a bench because I was tired.
Some local curtain twitcher called the cops on me.
Very embarrassed PC came over to say I couldn't sit on the bench as it could carry viruses.
I burned the quisling **** and his family in their own home.
Has the recorded virus death toll gone up 4 or are those deaths incidental?
Asking for a friend.
Meanwhile in NZ
"Clark’s van was spotted by a citizen, reports the Guardian, as the lone vehicle the parking lot of the Signal Hill trails outside Dunedin. With his name and face printed on the side, it was not difficult to spot."
Lol, that was never going to end well.
Very embarrassed PC came over to say I couldn’t sit on the bench as it could carry viruses.
I hope you were more embarrassed. You’re a grown up. You know what’s going on.
Likely to be reasonable:
going for a run
or cycle or practicing yoga.
Walking in the countryside
or in cities. Attending an
allotment.
Driving to countryside and
walking (where far more
time is spent walking than
driving).
Exercising more than once
per day
Reawakening this thread as it seems relevant...
English lockdown 3 looks to be stricter for outdoor exercise than previously. Gov.uk site says only once per day (that was only a guide previously) and within your village, town or part of city. So no rides out in the countryside, unless you live in the sticks?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home
TBH I've been mainly riding from home and keeping it local, say 16-20 off road miles in a loop. I've done 3 rides where I've driven 10 miles to ride with a mate when permitted.
I think buggering off for a 100 mile road ride is out.
What constitutes my local area?
Says local area, I’m not suggesting 60 mile roads rides but I’d consider a 30 mile loop as within my local area?
Could just do 2 laps...
Time to be "that guy" who asks the question.
So Sunday I'm planning to drive 40miles to go for a ride with a mate. It's my kid free weekend and that's what we've been doing on Sunday mornings. Would you still go?
Details, he's a work mate, lives that way and we're both still in work. I can drive further than that and back for work if I'm at our local site near there, in a day. I'll be back in work tomorrow, need to fill with fuel near my abode so wont need to stop on the day there or back. It's also not a trail centre.
No gnar either.
Thoughts?
The difference now is that 'local area' has been given a more precise definition, whereas before we could interpret it ourselves.
It reads like if you live in a town you can't leave the town boundary.
Vague language as usual. I'd consider the 'local area' like a tier area, a county, or something of that size. Of course it's subjective and not everybody will see it as the same. To some it will be a town or village, and others it will be a region or country...
guidance isn't legislation - This won't be published yet probably Weds but there was significant confusion around these issues during the last major lockdown not just over exercise but other aspects of lockdown as to what was guidance and what was actual legislation enacting a fine or actual criminal prosecution. I'd wait and check the law society website who publish the legislation like previous times.
My thoughts also, I guess if you can honestly justify it to yourself as reasonable then it’s possibly okay?
Obviously a 60+ ride into neighbouring counties is taking the piss...
Thoughts?
I wouldn't do it.
from the guidance (my emphasis):
- exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person, this should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.
- If you do leave home for a permitted reason, you should always stay local in the village, town, or part of the city where you live. You may leave your local area for a legally permitted reason, such as for work.
For a change the government is being very clear - don't travel around around unless you absolutely have to.
I certainly wouldn't be driving anywhere to go for a ride at this point.
Gov.uk site says only once per day (that was only a guide previously) and within your village, town or part of city
Says local area
It says both - in different paragraphs. Mixed messages again.
Obviously a 60+ ride into neighbouring counties is taking the piss…
Sure, but my neighbouring county is 2 miles away and is where all the local MTB trails are. Strictly speaking I shouldn't go there but would Bristolians really think of Ashton Court as not local?
For a change the government is being very clear – don’t travel around around unless you absolutely have to.
I certainly wouldn’t be driving anywhere to go for a ride at this point.
Actually they aren't
. You may leave your local area for a legally permitted reason
Exercise is a legally permitted reason
I can't find the bit that defines the local area in the guidance, I just see several references to 'local area'.
If you do leave home for a permitted reason, you should always stay local in the village, town, or part of the city where you live. You may leave your local area for a legally permitted reason, such as for work.
Exercise is a legally permitted reason
To leave your home, not your local area.
Leaving home
You must not leave, or be outside of your home except where necessary. You may leave the home to:shop for basic necessities, for you or a vulnerable person
go to work, or provide voluntary or charitable services, if you cannot reasonably do so from home
exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person, this should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.
meet your support bubble or childcare bubble where necessary, but only if you are legally permitted to form one
seek medical assistance or avoid injury, illness or risk of harm (including domestic abuse)
attend education or childcare - for those eligible
I think we can argue what exactly 'local area' means, but I think the intent of the instruction is made clear by other phrasing.
It’s towards the top of the page Butcher, I missed it first time too...but then next sentence says you can leave for a permitted reason (what Kimbers posted).
Laps around the block it is...
edit: gotta be quicker than that.
then there's this bit from GovUk website:
"You can only leave your home to exercise, and not for the purpose of recreation or leisure"
I interpret it as stay as close to home as possible to do the minimum amount needed to maintain your health. It's not a time to be taking risks. It's easy to get complacent when you're accustomed to doing risky things in risky places, and always a surprise how quickly things go wrong when they do...especially in winter conditions.
No car, no gnar, and no sandwiches by the sounds of it.
I can’t find the bit that defines the local area in the guidance, I just see several references to ‘local area’.
In various sections
If you do leave home for a permitted reason, you should always stay local in the village, town, or part of the city where you live. You may leave your local area for a legally permitted reason, such as for work
exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person, this should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.
You may leave your local area for a legally permitted reason, such as for work.
Exercise - You can continue to exercise alone, with one other person or with your household or support bubble. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.
outdoor exercise. This should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel a short distance within your area to do so if necessary (for example, to access an open space)
Guidance is just that. This is all entirely pointless until the actual legislation is published but I doubt it will go further than previous English restrictions, in fact it'll be basically tier 4 with schools shut. Therefore there will no no travel limits in the legislation and we'll be able to travel as far as we see fit for exercise or just to go to a shop.
I can ride to my local trails easily, probably less than 2 miles. However I do sometimes drive those 2 miles if I bring the dogs on my ride, or if I’m carrying tools etc. Don’t plan on changing my routine.
This is a back to the point of lockdown Mk1
The exercise bit is not just about the spread of COVID, but also the impact of people injuring themselves and needing A&E or a hospital bed.
Be sensible what exercise you do, lower your risks and chances of ending up in hospital
It’s not about what you are being told to do, but what is sensible to do, and putting increased pressure on the NHS at the minute is not sensible
When I left work last night ambulances were queuing probably 10 deep, waiting to get into the ambulance drop off area. This is people who have been blue lighted there, who are now sat in a que.
If that doesn’t make you think about your level of risk whilst exercising, and more interested in whether you are braking a rule or not...and indeed belligerently wanting to brake the rules, then maybe it’s a gene pool thing
Be sensible what exercise you do, lower your risks and chances of ending up in hospital
Assuming the traffic levels go down to the levels I saw in April then my chances of ending up in hospital will be much lower as I don't fall off my bike doing the riding I do and only end up in hospital when drivers hit me!
I don’t fall off my bike doing the riding I do
Said everyone, ever, just before they fell off their bike doing the riding they do.
It's "No car, no gnar, not far". Not "looks for loophole, argue about it, do what you like". It doesn't even rhyme.
100% what @FunkyDunc said.
Everybody has their own interpretation but I’m of the view point to only ride my local woods and not take the p*ss for a few weeks. Not that hard.
The frustration I have is that I live in the Peak District. Most locals then assume I’ve traveled from a town or city to get here and come charging at me with their pitchforks.
I’ll apply the common sense approach as per last time.
Hooray! This again!
Obviously a 60+ ride into neighbouring counties is taking the piss…
Disagree, for me its about interaction with others. 60miles would take me to the edge of the m25 and back (technically still IN Greater London just not IN Lewisham) and I could do that with VERY limited interaction with anyone plus we all know rate of transmission outside is low. If I was stopping in a few coffee shops in each village I pass I would agree with you, but im not so will continue
Disagree, for me its about interaction with others.
Can you point to any part of the guidance that tells you to base your plans on "interaction with others"?
My interpretation of 'no car, not far, no gnar' is about ensuring the ride minimises not only interaction with others, but the potential for interaction with others. So a drive to trail centre means you have the journey to consider, fuel stations, carparks, ticket machines and then a busy riding environment. A 100mile road/mtb single loop ride is likely to mean no-chance of self-extraction without interactions if you crash/ break something unless your partner/ housemate is available to come and get you. This is in addition to not sending the latest mega gap in the local woods if the outcome is 50/50.
Really though all of this isn't much different to the guidance listed for tier 4 if you read the exercise bit in conjunction with the travel bit. Obviously a lot of folk didn't do that and took the piss, but maybe thought they were not. "hey, we are in tier 4, so are all my favourite trail centres within a 2hr drive, I will do them all.... etc" as seen on social media and strava.
Bit more fortunate this lockdown, as we now live in the FoD so trails are a plenty to ride 🙂
Sadly doesn't look like the weather is going to be quite as good as last time!
Sadly doesn’t look like the weather is going to be quite as good as last time!
cold and dry has to be better than the last two months of monsoon...
Said everyone, ever, just before they fell off their bike doing the riding they do.
If you fall off your bike just riding along an empty road then I suggest you shouldn't be cycling without your stabilisers yet.
Not that hard.
For you maybe. Not everyone is the same situation.
Hooray! This again!
Yes, a useful discussion about what you can/can't and should/shouldn't do during quite difficult and unprecedented times whilst given confusing and conflicting advice from those in authority.
Yes, a useful discussion about what you can/can’t and should/shouldn’t do during quite difficult and unprecedented times whilst given confusing and conflicting advice from those in authority.
That would be nice. I fear we may end up with people defining their own version of the guidance and berating anyone whose interpretation is slightly more lenient than theirs.
Can you point to any part of the guidance that tells you to base your plans on “interaction with others”?
erm... the whole point of this is limiting your interaction with others is it not? But any way I didn't ask for your condescension or judgment. I simply expressed an opinion that going for a 60mile loop where you will see a handful of people isnt "taking the piss."
The problem really is for those who live in cities where the local green spaces are going to be crammed so just how far is sensible to drive to get somewhere where the numbers of others doing exactly the same is sufficiently low?
Apply the "If I have to ask if it's OK then it probably isn't" test, AKA Stop looking for loopholes to justify selfish behaviour.
I simply expressed an opinion that going for a 60mile loop where you will see a handful of people isnt “taking the piss.”
And what will you do if you have a mechanical you can't repair?
The problem really is for those who live in cities where the local green spaces are going to be crammed so just how far is sensible to drive to get somewhere where the numbers of others doing exactly the same is sufficiently low?
It was last time, but in January? I suspect most this lockdown will look a little like my cat faced with an opportunity to play in the snow this morning - one foot out the door then a '**** that!' and back in front of the fire.
Clearly there will be some who will need to travel to get exercise - I feel so blessed I'm in the heart of loveliness. The nadgeryness is around those with exercise opportunities close to home but sufficiently picky/entitled that they want their choice of exercise opportunity not the most convenient one. In the big scheme of things it'll make **** all difference to our handling of it as a nation and I'm in such a privileged position I'm going to make a real effort this time to not to gaf.
On a personal level (rather than doing the right thing for the greater good) I'll be doing all I can to ensure I don't grace the doors of a hospital. My wife had to have cancer related surgery during the last lockdown. Incredibly grateful it happened and the staff were awesome but it's not an experience either of us would want to do again if it could be helped.
It was last time, but in January?
Yes it will be. Its pretty obvious you don't live in a city. Its been rammed outside at all the local nice spots for months and the weather hasn't exactly been nice recently.
Yes it will be. Its pretty obvious you don’t live in a city. Its been rammed outside at all the local nice spots for months and the weather hasn’t exactly been nice recently.
It's pretty obvious within my city, too: the local parks and green spaces have been very busy for the last few months.
The problem really is for those who live in cities where the local green spaces are going to be crammed so just how far is sensible to drive to get somewhere where the numbers of others doing exactly the same is sufficiently low?
As someone that lives in a city I am currently not driving to Surrey to ride trail, but I am however riding from my door doing larger loops if we had more daylight I would be doing 60 odd. I honestly feel like the risk of infecting or infection while riding a bike outside is extremely low, as already said its not like im stopping in every shop I pass (in fact I don't even go into a shop) licking all the doors and putting my fingers in all the pastry.
But we are in lockdown again so thay means people will just spend all their time curtain twitching and passing judgment on others.