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Thats the problem though isnt it. When the PM says on thing then the Secretary of State for Health say another. Then you add in other things like "if I stop somewhere on my way home from work". Is that travelling for excersise or not? Is that allowable (obviously is it's not 20miles out of your way or whatever) no wonder there's differening opinions!
It’s pretty bleedin’ obvious want they want. They want you to stay local. They want you to maintain social distance when you are out. They want you limit the amount that you are out. The STAY At HOME bit is to reinforce that idea for the benefit of the hard of thinking. It’s not difficult.
I went out for a ride today and was dismayed to see someone out with a full touring/bike packing setup - full panniers and bar bags etc. Hardly in the spirit of sensible exercise every day.
i didnt realise there was a weight limit on sensible exercise everyday
Have we done this lot yet?
imnotverygood
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It’s pretty bleedin’ obvious want they want. They want you to stay local. They want you to maintain social distance when you are out. They want you limit the amount that you are out. The STAY At HOME bit is to reinforce that idea for the benefit of the hard of thinking. It’s not difficult.
With death rate steeper than Italy's and NHS staff dying, there should be no ambiguity in the messages
there isn't, "stay at home" unless exercising, working or shopping. pretty clear to me.
There is no ambiguity, for this weekend "stay at home" means this.
1. When am I allowed to leave the house?
You should only leave the house for very limited purposes:
shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as possibleone form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your householdany medical need, including to donate blood, avoid or escape risk of injury or harm, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable persontravelling for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home
Thats what it means untill those instructions change. I don't know anyone who doesn't understand this (apart from on here it would seem). Most people will abide by them but obviously some will choose to not do so. If you decide to go further and perhaps not go out for excercise or limit it to your immediate area that is something for each individual to decide.
That S****horpe page is obviously a wind up but, unfortunately its probably going to get a cyclist seriously injured this weekend
I have actually taken to riding my bike less in the countryside (gravel roads, single track etc,.) and am sticking to the road due to massive increase of people walking in all the places that used to be completely empty and can be difficult to pass them at a good distance.
Still, increased my gearing (fixed gear) and put some bullhorns on and yesterday was only a few seconds slower than my best time from years ago on a hilly "sporting" 10 mile TT loop.
Pleased with that now being 52 and not at a time of year when I am typically fastest
I live in the countryside and went out for a 20 mile road ride yesterday.
Driving standards have dropped considerably. I was passed twice on blind narrow corners by cars, and white van drivers are going silly speeds ! Probably safer to ride in a built up area
Probably safer to ride in a built up area
Not sure about that. Lots of people running and walking in the roads, usually oblivious to what's around them. Cars are noticeably going faster and well over the speed limit. Also seems that a higher percentage are on the phone.
Before I knew it was sunny this weekend and because my training plan allows it just this weekend, I planned an mtb ride out and back which would take 2hrs. Now, the route to a forest and the forest itself easily allows social distancing, but I am worried about the image of a fully kitted up mtbr says to people as I ride the 2 miles out of the edge of London’s suburbia.
it’s not a strong message.
Well, I'm off to the local woods now, before it gets too busy. Let's hope I can keep my enthusiasm in check, when the trails are running this nicely...
Gawd knows how busy Peaslake is going to be this weekend!
but I am worried about the image of a fully kitted up mtbr says to people as I ride the 2 miles out of the edge of London’s suburbia.
I'm not really sure people pay that much attention or can tell the difference but I have had similar thoughts. I've been wearing my yellow commuter jacket and fairly ordinary shorts rather than MTB pyjamas.
Gawd knows how busy Peaslake is going to be this weekend!
This is the problem. I ride the Peaslake area most weekends, but it involves a 60miles odd round trip in the car thats not really "essential" these days. Legally I can do it but ethically it doesn't seem right.
Hancocks message was clear yesterday staying at home isn't a request. don't be surprised if we get a full lockdown on monday. If this happens those who have pushed the rules will be to blame.
If the thing about Vitamin D helping to stave off respiratory tract diseases is right, then the very best thing we can do as a nation is to spend the whole of Sunday at the beach.
If the thing about Vitamin D helping to stave off respiratory tract diseases is right, then the very best thing we can do as a nation is to spend the whole of Sunday at the beach.
I've come across stuff that suggests that the issue isn't actually lack of Vitamin D, more that it's an indicator of exposure to sunshine / natural light and it's this rather than the Vit D alone that is good for us. It might be a bit of both. Anyway, just loading up the van with deckchairs, lilos and stuff, following your advice 🙂
but I am worried about the image of a fully kitted up mtbr says to people as I ride the 2 miles out of the edge of London’s suburbia.
I think it says someones out on their daily exercise.
Just found out that the Welsh Assembly have made it law that you are only allowed outside once a day for exercise. It's needed as I've seen a lot of people locally going out in the morning and then the evening. Even heard one local say as they went past my place that they're going out 3 times a day: 2 walks a day for the dog and 1 for themselves. And I've felt guilty over wanting to go out after a day's work after cycling the commute, haven't so far as I'm being sensible but if people are going to take the piss then why should I behave?
Still, increased my gearing (fixed gear) and put some bullhorns on and yesterday was only a few seconds slower than my best time from years ago on a hilly “sporting” 10 mile TT loop.
Pleased with that now being 52 and not at a time of year when I am typically fastest
Keeping it nice and steady to avoid undue stress on your immune system I hope? 😉
Have been enjoying my rides recently, physio wants me to keep it low intensity anyway while my back gets stronger so I've got the ideal excuse to just enjoy spinning along. It's not doing my average-average speed on Strava much good though, it's trending down towards 22km/h now even on the road! At least this means the estimated riding time for a lot of my gravel routes is starting to look more realistic...
Will be a good experiment in how much fitness you can achieve with 6-10hrs a week of low intensity only.
This is the problem. I ride the Peaslake area most weekends, but it involves a 60miles odd round trip in the car thats not really “essential” these days. Legally I can do it but ethically it doesn’t seem right.
I think a 30mile drive to ride is not "reasonable" so that's a clear no, IMO.
why is there no instruction for dog walkers to keep their dog on a short lead at all times ?
why is there no instruction for dog walkers to keep their dog on a short lead at all times ?
Probably because dogs present a very low risk of transmitting the virus and social distancing is about reducing the major risks while accepting that it's impossible to completely eliminate every risk however small?
Probably safer to ride in a built up area
Not sure about that. Lots of people running and walking in the roads, usually oblivious to what’s around them.
Yep. Did 2 laps of a roughly 10k circuit today, plus 4k's give or take to get to the loop and back. Just over a k of each is through the estate I live in, then I'm into the countryside. That's my hour for the day done (although I'm going to clean the patio in a minute which will be another hour of upper body scrubbing!!)
On the loop, I had no issues with traffic, a few cars about but the loop's on quiet roads with good sightlines and no close passes or anything like that. I saw one other rider and 3 joggers (looked like a couple plus a soloist) that were easy to avoid.
I must have seen 25 people walking and jogging in the estate a number of which were in the road or randomly crossing without looking to avoid others on the paths. I know which I'm more comfortable with.....
And I’ve felt guilty over wanting to go out after a day’s work after cycling the commute, haven’t so far as I’m being sensible but if people are going to take the piss then why should I behave?
Because you are responsible for your own actions, not other peoples. Just because other people are taking the piss it doesn't make it acceptable, and it certainly isn't the right thing to do. If it were acceptable it wouldn't be taking the piss.
Keeping it nice and steady to avoid undue stress on your immune system I hope
2 reasons why I don't need to worry about that
1. I am not mixing with anyone at all and live in a small village so have zero interaction, zero touching anything etc,.
2. Very high chance I have had covid19 already as even higher chance wife had it 4 weeks ago who was very ill and I have been living with her 24 hours a day all through it.
I think a 30mile drive to ride is not “reasonable” so that’s a clear no, IMO.
yep, I totally agree. But legally i can and with that people are still doing it. Granted the car parks are not as busy these weekends in Peaslake but people will still make the trip to out there this weekend from London.
See what this weekend brings I guess in terms of people driving out to places. It might not be *that* bad - a lot of car parks, NT places etc are closed and there are no pubs or cafes open so on the face of it, there's little reason to go anywhere.
I went out early this morning on the road bike. I don't think I've ever ridden Cat & Fiddle and looked both ways from the summit and not been able to see a single vehicle. Absolutely deserted - OK it was still reasonably early and the average speed cameras along there have largely removed the nobber driving element from the road but still.
Social distancing at its best.
I did contemplate a reasonably long (by my standards) road ride tomorrow as the forecast is good. However in view of the heightened sensitivity with respect to "going out this weekend" I'm going to leave it to mid week. Strange how in these lock down days weekends are still a thing.
However in view of the heightened sensitivity with respect to “going out this weekend” I’m going to leave it to mid week.
My thoughts exactly, although I'll do half and hour on the rollers when our toddler is down for his nap, then take him out in the child seat later to give his mum a break, so will still get a total of 2hrs pedalling over the weekend.
Made the mistake of uploading my Friday ride to Strava, was an 1hr47minutes, deserted quiet roads, easy pace, so no guilty conscience, but then remembered my boss follows me on Strava and I'd done it from 1:30pm till 3:30pm, so not exactly 'core lunch hours'. He knows I have a kid so hopefully realises I'm working odd shifts right now...
Just seen on pink bike that the New Zealand health minister has been shamed for riding after driving two km from has house. That in itself wasn't the problem but doing a risky activity was
Feel sorry for him
^ looks like he was riding green/blue trails too, so not particularly risky really.
Probably easier to ride the 2km than leave ypur van with your name and picture on the side of it on display in the carp park though haha
For folks finding the trails busy with walkers I can recommend ordering one of these: https://singletrackmag.com/shop/timber-bell/
Perfect for shared use paths
Common sense should prevail. I dragged myself out of bed at 5.45am this morning. Bowl of Porridge then out by 6.30am. 20 mile loop back in the house by 8.30ish. Mixture of road, bridleway and cycleways. Passed one other rider while I was out. It’s actually quieter on the roads than the cycleways!
why is there no instruction for dog walkers to keep their dog on a short lead at all times ?
Probably because dogs present a very low risk of transmitting the virus and social distancing is about reducing the major risks while accepting that it’s impossible to completely eliminate every risk however small?
You should keep dogs 2m away from people; I've yet to find any dog walker capable of that even when they are on a lead but it would be nice if they at least tried.
Can we have that "keep your dog 2m from anyone else" rule after this is over?
I've had two dogs come running over to me and had a load of abuse when asking the owner's to put the dog on a lead!
Well, my local ride in my local woods was lovely. Slightly fewer people than usual, everyone being sensible. Roads were quiet. Am I wrong for slightly enjoying this lockdown malarkey?
Former British Supreme Court Justice: "This Is What A Police-State Is Like"
https://soundcloud.com/spectator1828/lord-sumption-discussing-the-police-response-to-coronavirus
You should keep dogs 2m away from people; I’ve yet to find any dog walker capable of that even when they are on a lead but it would be nice if they at least tried.
Agreed. And that's ignoring the hassle if they run off. Had two appeals go round the village this week, dogs run off on their walks and gone missing. So what do you expect us all to do about it?
So now we're finished slagging horse riders, we're moving on to dog owners are we?
Just focus on the positive things you can do.
Just focus on the positive things you can do.
as it's for their benefit it is positive.
I don’t understand why you need to maintain 2m when dogs can’t actually transmit the disease. You’d need to touch them for it to transfer. If you walk past a door you don’t leave a 2m gap from the handle just in case. Confused about this one.
you (as the other person below) are not at risk from the dog assuming you don't stroke it...
but the virus can survive on the fur of the animal, and as breathing/talking/coughing or sneezing can spread the virus... every time your dog approaches within 2m of another person you run the risk that the virus being transfered onto the dog. A dog that you will take home and into your house.
As long as dog isn't off the lead jumping up at passers by as, happened to me today... Thanks...
I think we are getting into an extremely unlikely scenario. I am all for taking prudent precautions, but I think the chances of that being a significant risk are absolutely tiny. (not the dog jumping bit which the owner should stop in any case). Compare that with a runner going hard past you at 2.1m distance for example, which is apparently ok by most runners I see. I'll find other things to worry about when it comes to transmission.
From today's Daily Fail:
MAMIL madness: Cyclists ride close together through Regents Park in London and parks and beaches fill up around the country despite Boris Johnson and police begging Britain to stay indoors this weekend
Boris Johnson urged Britons to remain at home despite the promise of good weather and cheap fuel prices
Groups of people across the country ignored the pleas of officials to remain at home to stop the spread
Police approached groups of people in London and Brighton to warn them about the ongoing lockdown
Mr Johnson yesterday extended his self-isolation period yesterday after admitting he was still symptomatic
Just checked the Brighton beach webcam - about as empty as a rainy day in November
Just back from a ride in the eastern Peak, Totley Moor, Blacka Moor and over towards Ringinglow. Still an astonishing number of families and groups, clearly not on walks from home roaming the woods and countryside. Some sat down for a picnic at the top of Piper House Gate.
I counted eight cars in the bottom car park at Lady Cannings too. Granted, more likely to be dog walkers than bikers but shouldn’t have been there. Had a mountain biker pass me with his Gnar sled on the back of his Golf too just before Cannings (if that was you, don’t be a dick).
At least the local plod are leafleting car windscreens of cars parked up out in the Peak, spotted them on two cars on Stony Ridge Road.
Given today has been pleasant but nothing special, tomorrow may well be a free for all and could well be the end of the current measures if repeated across the parks and countryside of the U.K. We’re all doomed.
rydster
Member
Suddenly every **** has a dog during this covid-19 crisis. I’d happily have all dogs put down
Spoken like an absolute prick
Some sat down for a picnic at the top of Piper House Gate.
Mrs K jogged around our local park with our daughter on her bike. She came back to state anything you can sit on has been made inaccessible and wound with yellow police barrier type tape by the council.
That’s a great idea @Kryton57, might suggest that to the local councillors (might be in place by October based on past experience).
Rydster - I'd happily have all those who make half-witted statements put down. Thankfully I suspect neither of us will get what we want.
Rio
You should keep dogs 2m away from people; I’ve yet to find any dog walker capable of that even when they are on a lead but it would be nice if they at least tried.
That's straight out bullshit - are you a journo for the Daily Hate?
Is this kind of ride allowed?
Mrs K jogged around our local park with our daughter on her bike. She came back to state anything you can sit on has been made inaccessible and wound with yellow police barrier type tape by the council.
Thats just ****ing ignorant, what about those with mobility issues who need to sit down to recover?
It’s not an ignorant move at all. I’m sure you could spend ten minutes looking into why it is being done, before getting enraged, if you wanted to.
Suddenly every **** has a dog during this covid-19 crisis. I’d happily have all dogs put down
Spoken like an absolute prick
I always think people who don't like dogs are weird sociopaths, although I accept this says z lot about me too.
from my point of view as a person with secondary progressive MS it is ****ing ignorant to tape up seats etc, i need to sit down regularly and get of my throttle bafang ebike to relax my muscle spasms before i am fit enough to climb back on to continue, There are elderly/infirm or those with mobility difficulties who also need to sit down reguarly - if such measures are taken then you remove the ability for such people to get outside and exercise - if i don't get out at least a few times a day my leg muscles lock up to such an extent that i will need permanent care, thankfully i stay in a very rural area of galloway where such measures are not necessary in my town.
Thats just **** ignorant, what about those with mobility issues who need to sit down to recover?
Not sure they should be going out strolling under the circumstances.
If you ask me, the less people touching things the better. I'm a for it.
Not sure they should be going out strolling under the circumstances.
Jesus wept.
from my point of view as a person with secondary progressive MS it is **** ignorant to tape up seats etc, i need to sit down regularly and get of my throttle bafang ebike to relax my muscle spasms before i am fit enough to climb back on to continue
But you must see that person xyz who sat on it before you could potentially infect you and you die? Surely it makes more sense to plan things so that's not the case? Even if it means carrying your own fold out chair?
And I’ve felt guilty over wanting to go out after a day’s work after cycling the commute, haven’t so far as I’m being sensible but if people are going to take the piss then why should I behave?
Because you are responsible for your own actions, not other peoples. Just because other people are taking the piss it doesn’t make it acceptable, and it certainly isn’t the right thing to do. If it were acceptable it wouldn’t be taking the piss.
Missed the emoji, sorry. Actually stayed indoors all day on the turbo as it was rather busy with walkers and dogs according to a few of the locals! Hoping to get out early tomorrow for 45 mins or so.
Ever heard the phrase “use it or lose it”, it takes less than 3 days of inactivity in myself such as being laid up with a bladder infection (bloody catheters) to engender loss of muscle structure and mobility to such an extent that my muscles are too weak to support myself yet my muscle tone is in such a spasm that I cannot move my own limbs without the aid of someone else.
And as for carrying my own chair?, really?...is that your best advice rather than allow people to exercise caution when sitting down.
And as for carrying my own chair?, really?…is that your best advice rather than allow people to exercise caution when sitting down
You crack on then fella, I'm not saying any more, if you're happy then fill your boots.
Me, when I go out I touch nothing. Personal choice
Shorter loops from home that avoid using shared furniture will, sadly, be part of the answer. Park benches etc really do need avoiding. A lot of people will currently be adjusting to home and hyper local exercise for a while, and no one will be welcoming it.
People are going to need to decide their own risks soon, we can't be in lockdown for years/until vaccine is available which ever is sooner.
Just needs to be made clear to people that it is their own risk and they should continue to social distance, keep hygiene levels high etc,. As long as there is capacity in the new hospitals to manage those taking the risks as a lot of people will be getting it over the next year.
, i need to sit down regularly and get of my throttle bafang ebike to relax my muscle spasms before i am fit enough to climb back on to continue,
If it gets that bad just ignore the tape and sit down anyway.
Shooting Stick?
This thread is truly peak STW.
Very best wishes somafunk.
Respect somafunk for getting out and riding your bike despite and in spite of the challenges you face. Ignore those on here who're unable to look outside their own little (self-righteous) bubble, frankly I thought some would have known better.
Respect somafunk for getting out and riding your bike despite and in spite of the challenges you face. Ignore those on here who’re unable to look outside their own little (self-righteous) bubble, frankly I thought some would have known better.
It's nothing to do with self righteous, it's simply common sense. People are dying, by their hundreds, every day, through secondary contact contracted virus. A horrible death.
Let's say he sits down and takes the right precautions that he doesn't get infected, but it doesn't mean he doesn't then pass it over to bench number 2, which then infects the next old dear who comes along and then contracts it and dies. Is that right? We don't know yet the full effects of this virus but sitting on a public bench seems utter insanity.
I'd rather carry 2 bloody chairs myself then sit on a bench in a park.
I respect the guy for getting out, but think he request is bonkers
Not surprised the forums biggest attention seeker has revealed his true colours
@somafunk ignore the bellends and try to make the best of it like the most of us are
Not surprised the forums biggest attention seeker has revealed his true colours
Is that me? Seriously I bloody hope not.
@somafunk, my bad, seemed like a good idea but can equally understand how it can help in circumstances you describe. If you are satisfied with the risk, and let’s face it everything everyone is doing at the moment is making risk-based decisions, then it’s all good. It’s not for me but I am particularly risk averse.
What does grind is those that are blatantly ignoring the advice set out by national government, largely I suspect because they work on the principle that most people stick to it and hence if they do go out for a drive in the Peak and a picnic they’ll have the place to themselves and well, that’s great isn’t it because they’re looking out for number one.
Like I tried to outline a few posts up there ^ my initial concern regarding the taping up of seats etc was purely to highlight the fact that elderly/infirm/disabled need to exercise daily/in fresh air and whilst doing so they often need to rest/sit down. Thankfully my own situation (due to where I live in deserted Galloway)is so far removed from living in a built up area/town/city that the concerns about sitting down are practically negligible and our few seats are not taped up. I was out this morning for an hr, out this afternoon for an hr and just in from another 1/2 hr ride before tea/bed and I only met/saw one other person who I know well. Obviously I’m not licking public seats with my tongue and carry sanitiser/use it so I consider myself pretty safe but I realise if I get Coronavirus then I’m pretty much guaranteed to die with my existing health/immune system severely compromised along with a dnr order. Hey-ho.....managed to get to 48yrs old, I’ll try for 50 and celebrate if I get there 😉
Just needs to be made clear to people that it is their own risk
But it isn’t, for most of us. There is next to no risk to me personally form this virus. We are not staying at home to protect ourselves, well not many of us. We are mostly doing so to help protect others.
that elderly/infirm/disabled need to exercise daily/in fresh air and whilst doing so they often need to rest/sit down
My elderly neighbours, one with Alzheimer’s, have had to stop their long walks for just this reason. Short strolls only. Depressing, but better than sharing benches with who knows how many people. Daily visits to the newsagents are off for the same reason as well. To stop the spread, and, in their cases, stay safe.
Cotswold Police have tweeted that they've seen many cycling far from home. How they know this is a mystery as it what business it is of theirs.
https://twitter.com/CotswoldsPolice/status/1246522507546353664
where are they getting this 1hr from ? One of the BBC breakfast presenters may a similar reference on friday. Can seem to find any source for it ? I'm presuming it from one of the gobshite ministers briefings.
where are they getting this 1hr from ? One of the BBC breakfast presenters may a similar reference on friday. Can seem to find and source for it ?
I think it started with a now deleted tweet from Denton Police, who made it up. Which is why it was deleted.