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As others have said, around here the general public seem to be complying with the rules really well.
Did an hour and a bit road ride on my local hills yesterday and it was gloriously quiet.
I think people have got fed up with going out already?
Wish I was seeing more positivity in cycling groups and places like this forum though.
Stop judging people and focus on doing something useful yourself.
Aye, if there's a further lock-down it'll all be the fault of a few cyclists
https://news.stv.tv/west-central/large-numbers-flock-to-park-despite-covid-19-lockdown
****in arseholes.
Local bloke on Strava just posted a 145 mile ride.....
We all need to be responsible and I know there’s a small chance I might hurt myself, but I could just as easily fall down the stairs or cut the end off my finger chopping onions for tea.
Today's ride was safe, I tripped up in the house taking my tights off.
Ok maybe they're not all fed up with going out in Scotland.
I'd like to see the media focusing on the overwhelming compliance rather than just the odd exception though.
People need to be told they're doing well to motivate them to continue, as this isn't gonna be over for months.
imnot - post a comment on their strava a/c.
Ok maybe they’re not all fed up with going out in Scotland.
Those photos from Strathclyde Country Park made it look sunny. You know that the chances of another sunny day down in there in the next three months are close to zero.
Those photos from Strathclyde Country Park made it look sunny. You know that the chances of another sunny day down in there in the next three months are close to zero.
And folk from Scotland's black country only get a few days out of the pit/stampworks/foundry, they'll be back in the dark tomoro.
^^^ Colin and Greg, you both saw my FB post yesterday on this. Strava feed loaded with locals popping out regular daily 80 plus mile rides, incl some semi pro riders, ****in ejits.. 😟
I went out for a 2 mile run round the community centre, which has gates shut at the weekend. First exercise outside my garden in 8 days.
Was ace, put in a right wee short tempo effort, along with 30 mins exercise via YouTube, and some kettlebells, that's am hour a day.
An hour a day of quite high intensity will see me through, it'll have to when we get reigned in even further this week due to selfish dicks.
Your entitled to your opinion Iain. We all have different perceptions on risk and impacts on wellbeing. I’m taking the advice from the Scottish government and the CMO. If that changes I will align with it.
^^^ aye, I’m sure Jason Leitch would support you on that....
Well, the cold wind seems to have kept a lot of the 'new outdoor' crowd in and the Beeb haven't been fed much propaganda this weekend from what I have seen, so we might get to next weekend without full lockdown.
I may be wrong. I hope not.
One of my favourite song writters John Prine critical with Covid.
Had a great ride at 9 pm tonight down the TPT for about 50 mins locally. The cold and dark seems to keep the pests away :D. Sadly the evenings are only going to get warmed and lighter. May have to get up at 6 am over the summer for same.
Went out for a four hour ride today
Well you really are a loony then 😟
Oh, and you manage to say ‘I’ 4 times, it’s not about you, it’s about everyone. Very selfish approach.
Eh, unless someone can explain otherwise I really can't see the problem with a ride straight from the door?? We're supposed to be avoiding other people right, and also not taking unnecessary risks. A 4 hour solo ride on quiet roads definitely ticks the first box.... and the increased risk of having an accident has got to be really pretty marginal.
Hoping to find an hour or two in between trying to hold a job down and keep the kids entertained and schooled to do the same myself this week.
DfT stats tell us in 2018 99 cyclists died on Britain’s roads in 2018 and 3,707 were seriously injured. So if the lock down lasts 3 months we could normally expect about 25 deaths and 930 serious injuries in that period. However 90% of killed or seriously injured cyclists were involved in an accident with a motor vehicle so say road traffic has reduced by 70% because of corona virus we could expect about 9 deaths and 345 serious injuries during a three month lock down. However the number if bike journeys is probably much reduced as people will not be commuting to work so probably even less will be KSI. So logically cycling just now is a pretty low risk activity however when has logic ever been used to guide government policy? So even if the risk to the health service of 4 hour ride is negligible if the press start publicizing cyclists regularly doing big 4 hour rides that will be looked on as taking the piss and we'll probably be stopped from cycling all together. So if you are going to do it just keep it to yourself and don't post on social media
I went for a ride at about 6am Saturday, still a fair few people driving to places to walk their dogs. Only managed about 8 miles just keeps the legs ticking over.
Aye, if there’s a further lock-down it’ll all be the fault of a few cyclists
The narcissism expressed on this thread is something wondrous to behold. The idea that the actions of one or two people doing a few extra miles than the average person will effect govt policy is incredible. I think some folk need to perhaps step away from this thread.
I agree with you but I think that was sarcasm ^
I always wondered why people enthusiastically volunteered to inform for the Stasi and stuff like that.
It's been quite interesting how a small but not insignificant group of people are getting semis over enforcing these rules. The chance to enforce and inform on your fellow citizens seems to give some people at lot of satisfaction. The threat of CV justifies everything.
The vast majority of folk are doing a good job here to cut down the spread. It's working amazingly well.
I wonder how long it'll take before folk really kick off. No jobs, no liberty and nothing to do. The last of our worries will be whether a 1 or 2 hour ride is ok if this goes on for months.
2 hours out yesterday. I avoided cycle paths and used roads instead which was great because they were deserted. The only bit that wasn't deserted was my local neighbourhood, where lots of people were getting their daily exercise.
Where I live it would seem to be far less of a risk to go out road riding in the countryside than staying close to home, because I really did see no-one once I got away from my local streets.
@tomd I was thinking the same regarding informers.
Re. the general cyclist hate, its classic tabloid, find an enemy that can be villifed without affecting much of their readership. If tabloids/daytime tv went against pensioners having a natter outside the shops it would piss off a big section of their target audience. Half their core viewer/readership already hate cyclists so its a win-win.
Personally I have no issue with people going for longish steady rides alone; I'm not sure the general public keep an eye on strava so won't really be able to tell how long someone has been out for.
I'm sticking to the turbo purely because only being allowed out once a day, its better to use ti taking child out to throw a ball around a bit.
Slightly off topic, but anyone who is getting into turboing for the first time and not doing any real riding, rember to do some core/support muscle excersizes to avoid issues in knees etc. Particularly glutes in my experiance.
I always wondered why people enthusiastically volunteered to inform for the Stasi and stuff like that.
It’s been quite interesting how a small but not insignificant group of people are getting semis over enforcing these rules. The chance to enforce and inform on your fellow citizens seems to give some people at lot of satisfaction.
Ah, rise of the curtain twitchers.
It is mainly to do with be utter hypocrites whilst having an obsequious desire to please the higher ups in the vain hope of recognition.
See Chief ARP Warden Hodges in Dad's Army.
I'm not seeing much tabloid hate for cyclists tbh.
It's mostly folk on here.
I’m not seeing much tabloid hate for cyclists tbh.
It’s mostly folk on here.
check your local facebook page. the vitriol is strong on mine.
^
kicked off big time on one of my local ones, STW would have a field day given the subject matter....
In short (not me, someone on there and I paraphrase slightly to simplify)
My dogs are not great around other dogs and people; I walk them away from others because of that
They're both 35-40kg each and I can't control them both on leads at the same time, because I'm only 55kg myself.
So I have to go out for 2 walks morning and evening.
They're only lead walks with the dogs, so I also go out for exercise myself because my garden's not big enough to exercise in
If I drive somewhere I can let them off the lead away from others so they only need one walk and do a run myself = one trip but involving a short drive.
- blue touch paper well and truly lit there....... some folk are building a scaffold as we speak!!
I think that this a public link. The tale is from a few years ago and is of one very, very, luck bloke - https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/a-picture-with-a-story-to-tell/32352
the guy (Simon) at Rotec cycles died of a heart attack when out riding too..
However, that doesn't for a single second mean we should all stop cycling.
check your local facebook page. the vitriol is strong on mine.
Thought I'd check mine as there is usually bugger all on there (most of the villagey types are too old and the ones who work are too busy to curtain twitch).
Blow me down. Anti mountain bike vitriol.
Same two NIMBYs as normal.
"They think they own the place"
"Never use hand signals"
And implying that a vandalised gate was cyclist-related.
As soon as someone pointed out that the vast majority are fine and it is always just a minority they are falling over themselves to say 'it is always a few bad apples' etc.
But the default position was (and always is) 'all', 'totally', 'never'.
Bloody curtain twitching NIMBYs never really went away, did they....
Went out on the Arkose round some local back lanes yesterday, nice enough spin but it did remind me why I sold my Tarmac! I'm fortunate enough to live in the sticks, plenty of back roads and lonnings to explore.
Only ten minutes from the beach too so will head down on the fat bike when the tides/winds are right.
As soon as someone pointed out that the vast majority are fine and it is always just a minority they are falling over themselves to say ‘it is always a few bad apples’ etc.
Reply with dog walkers always leave dogcrap everywhere, and they soon notice that tarring everyone with the same brush isn't that nice when it's coming at you.
I always wondered why people enthusiastically volunteered to inform for the Stasi and stuff like that.
These rules are reasonable given the Covid-19 situation. You're like some adolescent with a need to defy-refuse.
My local facebook group in fantastic at the moment, not sure where these people are normally but they are out in force.
Daily conversations along these lines:
Person 1 - "I've just seen 3 separate families out walking their dogs in the field, when will people start to take this seriously"
Person 2 - "As long as they are keeping their distance and going out once per day, that is fine"
Person 1 - "Copy and paste link to number of deaths in Italy, we should all be indoors, my cousins brothers friend has mild asthma so I haven't opened the window in 3 weeks"
Person 3 - "I am a key worker (works in security for Sainsburys) and you should all stay at home.
And then they all chime in with anecdotes. I had a cold in 2012 and am vulnerable so I have been self isolating. Well, except for when I pick up my takeaway from the pub, or when my husband goes to work or when I went to get more paint from B&Q...but other than that, I have been home and you shouldn't be walking your dog.
Give it an hour and then there is another post. I cant stop watching, it is passing the time brilliantly
I always wondered why people enthusiastically volunteered to inform for the Stasi and stuff like that.
I can't remember if we've already reached Goodwins Law, surely it's not taken 29 pages?
OK I forgot sorry Covid trumps all and justifies everything.
They’re both 35-40kg each and I can’t control them both on leads at the same time, because I’m only 55kg myself.
So I have to go out for 2 walks morning and evening.
They’re only lead walks with the dogs, so I also go out for exercise myself because my garden’s not big enough to exercise in
That has to be a troll.....
I can’t remember if we’ve already reached Goodwins Law, surely it’s not taken 29 pages?
If that was directed at me it's Godwin's Law and the Stasi had nowt to do with the Nazis. It's a reference to their zeal for surveillance and turning citizens on each other.
Sometimes not. You do see the oddest things at times.
Many, many years ago, I think around 1981, I was on my first climbing trip to Scotland. We were camping by the river near the Clachaig as you were allowed to do so then and a Volvo estate pulls up. A big bloke gets out from the driver's side and his daughter, probably about 12, gets out of the passenger door. The bloke goes to the back of the car and gets the dogs out. Two massive Irish Wolfhounds. Walks over to his daughter and says "Hold them while I put the tent up". Now these dogs would have looked her in the eye had they not been scanning the surrounding area for something to chase. Her chances of holding them would have been nil.
from other responses I don't think so....... if it is it's brilliantly crafted.
🤦♀️
From yesterday's ride, I've now got the local RSPB to admit the signs they've put, restricting access to the forest, are wrong. I'm betting that actually changing them will be considered unnecessary work... 😊
Well done scotroutes, I bet you're dead chuffed with yourself?
What are you actually demanding?
vegetable rights and peace
What are you actually demanding?
I'd imagine that organisations follow the law?
But not you?
Well done scotroutes, I bet you’re dead chuffed with yourself?
Choughed, more like.
Aye, roll out the bunting.
Stop being such a Tit, Warbling on about this and that. If you don't Piper down you'll be tying youself in Red Knots
Sort of further to the UCI release on training intensity I posted the other day, I've seen the more detailed paper/summary/whatever it is behind that and it has some interesting stuff on duration and intensity that may make you consider exercise duration:
'There is now a large body of evidence to suggest that regular bouts of short-lasting (i.e. up to 45 minutes) moderate intensity exercises are ‘immunoenhancing’, whereas repeated bouts of long-lasting (>2 h) arduous intensity exercises can be ‘immunosuppressive’
On top of that, fasted riding and non-fuelled riding is bad for immune response. Keep eating folks.
So while there may be no government guidance on exercise duration, the UCI seems to be suggesting that if you're looking at things in terms of your immune system, keeping rides below an hour and at 'moderate intensity' is a good idea and long rides, particularly ones where you don't fuel properly are not a good idea.
I know there's a lot of debate over exercise and immune systems, but fwiw, that appears to be the UCI's thoughts. Given that there's nowt to train for in event terms anyway, hammering yourself seems a bit pointless regardless. Bear in mind the UCI focus is elite athletes, but I thought there was some interesting stuff there. I am not a sports scientist, so I'm not really in a position to say how plausible this is in physiological terms, but you'd hope the UCI would be clued up.
I guess I can copy and paste the whole thing, complete with references etc, if people are interested. Maybe on the thread I started a couple of days back based on the UCI mail-out.
mehr
Well done scotroutes, I bet you’re dead chuffed with yourself?
Don't be a berk.
He has done well, and without people like him, we would not be able to have the freedom in Scotland that we have.
You don't have freedom at the moment .
On the plus side thanks. I'll chuck the bike on the car and come over for a ride now I now I'm not breaking the law.
Thanks BWD
That kind of info, concisely summarised in an intelligent way is just what we need.
Rob
tomd
If that was directed at me it’s Godwin’s Law and the Stasi had nowt to do with the Nazis. It’s a reference to their zeal for surveillance and turning citizens on each other.
It's interesting that Markus Stitz who lived under the Stasi regime is making the same sort of comments as you.
It’s been quite interesting how a small but not insignificant group of people are getting semis over enforcing these rules.
I know right, it’s almost like it’s a matter of life or death for some people eh 🙄
You don’t have freedom at the moment
Access rights haven't changed, just how you exercise those rights.
If people are unnecessarily or illegally restricting access all it will do is focus numbers of people in fewer areas and that's something to be avoided I think.
Thanks BWD
That kind of info, concisely summarised in an intelligent way is just what we need.
Rob
No problem. If it's helpful to anyone here, that's great.
@Rydster what laws have I broken? I do my once a day run for 5km and that's it.
Me acting responsibly and feeling uncomfortable about snitchy curtain twitching zealots aren't exclusive.
While it may be necessary to some extent, I find it terrifying how quickly the population is willing to act in this way.
Carl Schmitt* wrote about this exact thing happening in times of crisis. It always sounded a bit far fetched but I can actually see it now.
*Yes I know he turned into a wrong un, but some of earlier ideas have merit.
I think what we are witnessing is folk needfully restricting access because many people are unnessecarilly accessing the land.
It cuts both ways in this situation.
When this is all over and they still try to restrict access then it's open season on exercising your land access hero powers.
As it is when you access without being a dick just ride past the signs. But it'll make those driving up from far and wide think twice
I got challenged by a farmer on my night ride on Friday.
I am a 'key worker' in financial services and had been looking forward to my ride for several days.
I was cycling up a lane that joins another lane. The farmer passed in some large vehicle on the lane ahead and drives slowly up it and disappears.
I rode up the lane and he's waiting at the end of his drive for me... 'What part of lockdown don't you understand?' is his opening line. Bit aggressive! lol.
It didn't really register with me at first that he was being aggressive and it was a bit weird. It became clear that he clocked me coming up the lane and he was going slow to see which way I was going.
Then waited like 10 mins for me to get up the lane to get to his house so he'd probably got himself all pumped up ready for a confrontation. He wasn't gonna get on with me though.
I started by explaining that we're allowed out for one period of exercise a day, he counters this with 'no you're not' lol.
I said 'we are, even Boris said so on the TV.' He says 'there's a policeman who lives down there, let's go and see what he says shall we'
It gets better, I'm sure an off duty copper would really welcome a farmer and cyclist rocking up at his front door at 8.30pm and in dark. lol
I says I'm only going for a ride round the woods, pointing to the woods on the hill in front.
So he's lost that one so he starts trying to make out that the lane past his farm is a permissive bridleway, and it belongs to him and that he's banning all cyclists from using it.
I know very well it isn't as I've been using it for years but I humoured him and said something like 'fair enough, if that's your choice please inform the authorities so that the police are aware etc'
and he says I'm not doing that and starts walking away like he's had the last word that's the end of it, so I called him back to finish the convo.
I asked if he owns the lane at the end and got him to admit he doesn't so 'we' can still ride up there without issue and he said yes.
So I calmed him down and we went our seperate ways, I think he just wanted to have a go, god knows why, there was no issue with anything I did or was doing.
Question is... do I continue to ride up that lane to the woods, which is very convenient or go up the road?
I don't want to provoke him and could do without getting into fisticuffs. I suppose I could just cycle off if he confronts me again and waggle my fingers with my thumb on my nose but as I'm getting older I'm more for a peaceful resolution if I can.
That said he should not be preventing people riding up a legal bridleway. Maybe I'll just take my chances and if confronted calmy explain that it is not a permissive bridleway and I shall continue to ride up there, it’s his choice how he acts.
I’ve now got the local RSPB to admit the signs they’ve put, restricting access to the forest, are wrong
Tit?
it belongs to him and that he’s banning all cyclists from using it
Great tit.
Bombers...obvs
Hunt is out there talking sense again. The world has turned upside down, and I want him back in the role I was once so desperate for him to vacate.
Bum his tractor with your dog whilst nailing sausages into the Stasi, or something like that
So I calmed him down and we went our seperate ways, I think he just wanted to have a go, god knows why, there was no issue with anything I did or was doing.
Probably because people are dealing with a frightening situation over which they have very limited control. Understandably lots of fight or flight hormones whizzing about, cue odd risk analysis and confrontational behaviour.
I think maybe it's the same thing that's happening to an extent on here in a virtual way, which is why we need to cut each other some slack and not jump down each other's throats.
Sounds like you dealt with the situation in a sane, reasoned way 🙂
Cummings is down… is it wrong to wish the worst? (I know it is, but the man really is dangerous).
I would. But then I'm so wound up at the moment I'm looking for a punch up, don't really care if I win or lose, I just want an outlet for this ****ing rock I've got in my chest. Hitting the kids is out because ideally I'd like them to not grow up like me so an arsehole farmer seems like the perfect target.
I'm sure there are millions feeling the exact same way as me right now so this **** will undoubtedly try it on with the wrong person at some point.
Hunt is out there talking sense again. The world has turned upside down, and I want him back in the role I was once so desperate for him to vacate.
Whilst I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he says, I find his very vocal criticism just distasteful. He's cynically attacking the current regime at a time of crisis because it's his best chance at getting into power if / when it all goes tits up. We should not lose sight of the fact that the NHS was systematically underfunded for 6 years under his watch - including all the crisis planning / preparations etc.
Understandably lots of fight or flight hormones whizzing about, cue odd risk analysis and confrontational behaviour.
Possible.
Or he might just be another Farmer Palmer type cock.
Get ooooooorrrrrrffffff moiiiii laaaaaaaand!
The ends are totally different than the GDR. We're trying to prevent the health service being overwhelmed by Covid-19 patients due to a pandemic not trying to hold up a repressive communist regime. Take off the Che T-shirt.
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It’s been quite interesting how a small but not insignificant group of people are getting semis over enforcing these rules.
Because it's not effing fair is why. You're following all the rules, curtailing your enjoyment of life, not going out like you want to, not seeing mates, not going to the bakery for a nice coffee and pain au chocolat, and you see some utter twunt carrying on as if the rules don't apply to him.
And we're weirdly obsessed with the idea of fairness and all in it together - we can put up with sh*t if everyone is having to put up with the same sh*t.
Boo hoo, life's not fair. The world isn't fair. I can quite happily curtail the shit out of my life without getting wound up about someone riding too far or some cackers drinking white lightning in the park.
It’s interesting that Markus Stitz who lived under the Stasi regime
Please tell me that while off on his adventures he found a woman to marry called Norma
R4 World At One, today's edition (30th March):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000gt59
Relevant to this discussion from 17:05 onwards, worth a listen.
You’re following all the rules, curtailing your enjoyment of life, not going out like you want to, not seeing mates, not going to the bakery for a nice coffee and pain au chocolat, and you see some utter twunt carrying on as if the rules don’t apply to him.
Since this thread is about biking, I'd point out that we're all free to ride our bikes as far as we want as long as we don't go near anyone else. For trail centre MTBers this probably means no, but for lonesome roadies it's a yes.
Since this thread is about biking, I’d point out that we’re all free to ride our bikes as far as we want as long as we don’t go near anyone else.
really how does that square with ?
These reasons are exceptions - even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household.
or are you just ignoring the minimising part as that's inconvenient ?
Because it’s not effing fair is why. You’re following all the rules, curtailing your enjoyment of life, not going out like you want to, not seeing mates, not going to the bakery for a nice coffee and pain au chocolat, and you see some utter twunt carrying on as if the rules don’t apply to him.
Hardly anyone is "carrying on as if the rules don't apply".
And even if a few are, the main thing is that most people comply, not all.
So be content with feeling smug and superior, but there's no point getting angry really.