[Closed] Like a Roadrat, but with big tyres?

i guess a swift, a fortitude or a scandal? or a karate monkey? how much heavier than a roadrat would that be?

Flat bar or drop bar?
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Mason Insearchof

flatbar

Whyte do some dropped bar bikes that they sell with 650b or 700c wheels. Obviously when running 650b there's loads more tyre clearance. So I guess a lot of gravel bikes would fit the bill if you consider running 2 sets of wheels rather than changing tyres.

Pinnacle Lithium is a cheap option, probably takes 2.1/2.2" max though.

Orange Speedwork would be lighter, but possibly not massive clearance there either.

Perhaps check this out:
https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/list-of-rigid-mtbs-currently-available-does-it-exist/

tomd
Whyte do some dropped bar bikes that they sell with 650b or 700c wheels...

They look rather tasty, and pretty close to the ideal gravel bike to me.

aye i've accepted that i like flat bars for everything.

yes i'd forgotten about lithiums, but i'm thinking steel really. did recommend one to a friend once who loves it.

I was recently scouring through geometry tables to work out what drop bar bikes would work with flat bars if I change my mind down the line, and the Specialized Sequoia was perfect. The reach is a bit longer than normal for a given size, and the seat tube shorter, i.e. it'd be easy to size up to get a longer bike and fit flat bars.

That probably doesn't help you directly as sequoia's don't clear big tyres, but the same may be true for the AWOL...

EDIT: the same seems to be true for the Genesis Vagabond, even the XL only has a 52cm seattube, so sizing up and putting flatbars on would likely work in the way that it wouldn't with, say a Kona Sutra

Shand: Staoter will take up to about 2" or Bahookie with more clearance.
Custom options exist on the frame build, to make sure you get the right fit with a flat bar.
Both make superb flat-bar, 'Adventure' type bikes as used by the likes of Lee Craigie and Jenny Graham for some pretty epic journeys lately.

Was about to reply Shand too.

Alternative might be Roadrat but with different fork. I've got a 700x42 (29x1.6) in the rear with full-length guards, and a 700x47 (29x1.75) fits no probs. I'm using an eXotic Monocoque carbon fork with carbon steerer, 42.5cm a-c for 26" wheel, on my 'Rat. It'd easily take a far bigger tyre than the 700x47 I use. Only 2.5cm taller than a standard Cotic fork. Works well for me with a 700x47.

tomd
Whyte do some dropped bar bikes that they sell with 650b or 700c wheels…

They look rather tasty, and pretty close to the ideal gravel bike to me.

I did a quick demo on a a Whyte Glencoe. It was nice but I found it too long due to a combined effect of long ETT and mega wide drops. So potentially a great bike definitely worth sitting on one.

Marin pine mountain, £800. Rigid, steel, 2.8 tyres. I have one with 2.6 schwable Moto X tyres. Have done plenty of rides - long distance (200 miles) with panniers on rear. Ideal for hooning around the woods and bikepackung.

I know you're after steel but heads up for anyone else.I've got a Pinnacle Lithium and I cant't even run a 1.9 Geax Gato tyre at the rear with out it rubbing.

I know you’re after steel but heads up for anyone else.I’ve got a Pinnacle Lithium and I cant’t even run a 1.9 Geax Gato tyre at the rear with out it rubbing

I guess that's an older one? My (ex)partner had a 2018 disc Lithium with a 2.1" Maxxis Pace in the rear. Clearance was still comfortable, may have safely squeezed a 2.25" in there provided it wasn't too knobbly.

loving the Marin Pine mountain. Great price too for the 1 model with a rockshox rev on it.

I guess that’s an older one?

Yup it's a 2016 max tyre 45c.

 

My hack in the classifieds could be a nice cheap experiment 😎

Otherwise the giant Anyroad is it? Has massive clearances, however it is possibly the ugliest bike I have ever seen.

pine mountain does look nice have to say. but looks a bit too suspension corrected at the front.
looked at shands already. even tho this is just an on paper exercise, a shand would still be too expensive.

roadrat frames come up semi often fro 150/200 quid. it would ideally be something comparable to that.

longitude seems the best so far. anyone know the frame weight?

oh yeh, and the giant all road looks like a good idea of a bike. my wifes' auntie's fella got one and yeh, loads of clearance, well specced, but also yeh, fugly!

fuxake that Mason Insearchof is some bike. well would.

legometeorology, the vagabond looks tasty doesn't it?
so you reckon it's work alright with flats?
off to geek the geo

legometeorology, the vagabond looks tasty doesn’t it?
so you reckon it’s work alright with flats?

I think so... But so you know my simple logic, it's roughly this:

A 54cm (medium/large) Kona Sutra has a 386mm reach, 569mm toptube and 54cm seattube
A XL Genesis Vagabond has a 410mm reach, 614mm toptube and 52cm seattube

The Vagabond does seem very long for it's height and I think most other drop bar bikes are much closer to the Sutra geometry.

Most proper 29er mountain bikes would obviously avoid this entire problem, but you'll end up with massive clearances and long sus-corrected forks. All that's probably fine if you don't mind it looking really weird with small tyres (and I guess some small aerodynamic penalty).

Trek 1120 an option? 29 x 3.00.

Have a look at Cube travel or Hyde frames cheap on Bike Discount DE at the moment. Built for 2 inch plus 29 wheels and  tyres. A mix of 29er and road of hybrid geometry. They have an eccentric BB (great if you want to go single speed or an Alfine) and no gear hanger but a hanger can be bought and fitted.

I've built mine up with drop bars and a 27.5 carbon forks but they originally have flat bar. Bags of clearance front and rear. light build so far.

Sonder Camino from alpkit is a great buy. Can choose 700cc wheels or 650b wheels. Sram rival kit. 1k price