[Closed] light bicycle carbon rims

Can anyone advise on rim tape width on the wider rims, is it necessary to go for 30mm tape for the 30mm wide (inner) rims or will say 25mm suffice?

Yay, they've arrived!! Had to pay £37 odd for customs clearance (including Parcel Force's charge).

Just used one layer of Stan's yellow tape (25mm), put a tube in overnight to press it down then popped one side of the bead off - removed tube and put the Effetto Caffe tubeless valves in (thought I'd need these as the rims are so deep) and poured 2 scoops of (homebrew) sealant in and simply pumped them up with my trackpump.

Incredibly easy and they look good:

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Bloomin' light build too - saved 568g over my previous Superstar AM-490 wheels 8)

^^^ like that 🙂

Are they the hookless rims?

Cool got mine a few days ago too. Built front n just working on rear Tonight. Duty etc came in at £34 ish on 4 rims so not too bad.

I've gone for the 25mm tape too, hope it doesn't peel back if I ever have to remove tyres!. Should be reet!.

Tried a couple of tyres with a tube and volume looks great. I'll get better measurements when I go tubeless. Can't wait for first ride. Looking to be about 700g front and 800g rear so not too shoddy.

No, mine are the 26" 33mm wide AM rims. Hookless was a step too far for me, carbon was enough for a first attempt 😀

They look great proutster, what did they weigh in at? I'll hopefully have a pair of 32H 29er hookless rims arriving soon.

The built wheels (no cassette or rotors etc.) weighed 1584g for the pair - they're the 33mm wide AM, 26" versions with Hope Pro 2 EVOs and the bladed Pilar spokes.

By the time I'd fitted Formula rotors, Ti bolts, a One-Up converted XTR cassette, a Specialized Storm Control on the rear and went full tubeless I saved 998g over my old wheels and set-up. Even I can notice that difference!

Very happy with them, first ride last night and the difference is amazing - very fast accelerating 😀

I just tracked my rims (which I ordered At the end of January) and they have been handed over to customs in San Fransisco! I checked the address I gave them and it deffinitly said United Kingdom! Has anyone else had delivery problems?

My 29er hookless rims turned up yesterday (ordered mid-Feb) and look very nice.. 8)

I ordered my wheels from them on the 6th March and they arrived on the 27th.
That's not bad considering they were out of stock on the hubs at the time which delayed things, then had to build and ship them.

The wheels are great, they ride amazingly.
I used duct tape and stans valves to set up tubeless. They inflated and held pressure perfectly,even without fluid!

The only problems i had was that the freehub was pushing up against the bearings and after inspection i noticed there was a washer/spacer missing between hub bearing and freehub body.
The rear adapter for the axle is also slightly different from my other hope wheels and doesnt allow the xx1 cassette to sit properly on the freehub.
I think it may be a aftermarket piece.

It took over two months but they arrived!

So far so good, Crest weight with Flow width.

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I'm so close to buying a pair of rims. How are you guys finding them ?

proutster.. Does it feel like they give you more traction being wider?

Anyone ran them in morzine/alps?

trickydisco
I'm so close to buying a pair of rims. How are you guys finding them ?

proutster.. Does it feel like they give you more traction being wider?

Yes, the footprint is definitely bigger - I'm now running a 2.0" Specialized Storm Control on the back and it seems almost as wide as the 2.35" Kenda was on my old wheels. The Baron on the front is definitely wider than when it was on the old wheel. I'm sure there is more grip.

The complete wheel/tyre combo is so much lighter (or is it because it's stiffer?) that I've had to change my fork settings (soften them) to get the same feel - and I'm pretty sure that's helping with grip too.

Do it, IME you won't regret it!!

What valves are people using? The long (55mm?) stans ones perhaps? I assume the regular 35mm ones are too short?

Hopefully I'll get my rims this week, looks like parcel force have them in the UK now.

I used these [url= http://www.xcracer.com/shop/viewproduct.php?productid=262 ]Effetto Caffe[/url] ones from XC Racer.

They're 52mm long and work/fit perfectly etc.

Eeeeeeeeee.

My LB 26" 33mm wide DH Rims turned up today and they look very nice. The corresponding Hope hubs turned up last week so it time to get them built!

Was going to order spokes and nipples myself however there is only 10c difference once I've included shipping so I'm going to leave it to the wheel builder to make sure I don't cock up measuring to check the ERD is correct! How do you measure ERD is you don't have old spokes and nipples lying around (a la Sheldon Brown method)?!

Looking forward to getting them on the V10 and smashing them in to some rocks and seeing if they are strong enough to take to Whistler this year!

how are the hookless versions? i have the original clincher versions and had a few issues with the tyre being loose on the bead, a few layers of yellow tape sorted that ok. considering getting the 35mm 29er version, can i get away with lower tyre pressures? planning a new singular swift build with a knard up front on 35mm rim, think it'll just about work, if not, trusty RaRa 2.4 ive kept in stock

waldo1 - Member
I ordered my wheels from them on the 6th March and they arrived on the 27th.
That's not bad considering they were out of stock on the hubs at the time which delayed things, then had to build and ship them.

The wheels are great, they ride amazingly.
I used duct tape and stans valves to set up tubeless. They inflated and held pressure perfectly,even without fluid!

The only problems i had was that the freehub was pushing up against the bearings and after inspection i noticed there was a washer/spacer missing between hub bearing and freehub body.
The rear adapter for the axle is also slightly different from my other hope wheels and doesnt allow the xx1 cassette to sit properly on the freehub.
I think it may be a aftermarket piece.

If you are running a 142x12 rear axle setup its a different end cap for xx1 driver...sounds like you have a standard 142x12 shimano 9/10 speed end cap

 

Mine will be shipped end of this week.

😀

mine are in UK customs 8)

Same here. Teh exciteds!

Mine are being built at the most.
35mm hookless 29er ones, came in at 420g on the dot.
They seem very well made.

Took receipt of mine yesterday. They are as well built as any other carbon I've seen. Bloomin' massive too.

I'm moist with anticipation.

Better build my roger musson wheel building stand...

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Mine have arrived today! Took 9 days to clear customs 🙁

Hopefully they'll get built next week and I'll finally be able to finish off the build on my new Burner.

Also, Works Components have just listed their tapered steerer angleset, so all I need now is a set of Pikes and a 15mm adaptor for my hubs and...

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Thanks for all the info on these. Having a serious think about some of the LB hookless XC rims (27mm wide, 365g +\- 15g). Spoke to Nancy at LB on the livechat and she was very helpful. Said the 3k actually comes in a bit lighter than UD.

Currently on 29er Crests / 32H / 3 cross / Revs. No problems with them and they are really nice and light but I'd like to try something with less lateral flex at a similar weight - hence the interest in carbon.... Thinking about using 2 cross (with revs) for these - anyone tried that?

Quoted ERD for these is 592mm. Can anyone comment if they've found this to be accurate? or any examples of what spoke lengths worked?

ta!

btw: I thought this was quite interesting on lateral stiffness: http://www.noxcomposites.com/wheel_building

needs some more pics this thread, has anyone bought some enve decals for theirs yet???? 😆

I’ve just bought a pair of 30mm hookless 29er rims for my new wheel build. They are 32H, to fit my existing Pro2 Evo hubs, so it won’t be the lightest of builds, but they should still be lighter than my alu Easton Havens, with a useful increase in stiffness and width.

Quoted ERD for these is 592mm. Can anyone comment if they've found this to be accurate? or any examples of what spoke lengths worked?

I didn't measure the ERD (same rims), but all my spokes, with AM Classic hubs) came up too short by a couple of mm, so either the ERD is wrong or the literature that comes with the hubs was wrong.

My old one seemed a little over the quoted ERD too. Though I can't rule out the possibility I measured the old rim wrong to be fair! I'm waiting for the rims to arrive before ordering spokes etc.

Who knows, customs might actually do something about them some time.

Thanks, chaps!

Northwind: Maybe phone customs and ask (seing as how they're a bit busy with cavity searches to process your rims and all)...would they mind measuring the ERD so you can get on with your spoke ordering?*... 🙂

Just ordered a pair of 35mm 420g ones (I really like lightweight wheels but the wide rims seem like a great idea, so willing to add a bit of bloat in exchange for tyre profile)

*they better wash their hands first.

must admit my 650b 35mm hookless rims cant come soon enough, ive got my hubs ready to go, shop on standby to build them, but waiting on rims before they can get spokes, fingers crossed ill get them before UKGE and EWS next month!

mine left customs today 8), so should be just under 2 months from order to arrive.

bigjim, how long ago did you order?

Mine were shipped yesterday, made it to the Xiamen sorting centre so far.....

first week of March

Just built a pair of the hookless xc 29r rims

I worked the ERD out to be 595.5mm which would explain the short spokes when the quoted is 592mm.
calculated spoke lengths seemed spot on.

For info:

The front built with a lefty hub, dt revs and alloy nipples (with rim strip) was 648g
The rear on Oem dt 240s was 800g

1450g total

Interesting, that makes sense! I've not died yet, so CBA to rebuild mine, would've made lacing them somewhat easier though!

I specifically asked for some light rims - mine came to 355 and 356g, whole wheelset with American Classic hubs (XD body), Revs and alu nips was 1370g.

Cheers for the info Bolt, that’s a pretty decent weight. I’m aiming for 1650g for my AM build. My current wheels are just over 1800g so not a huge saving but they’ll be a lot stiffer, and a good bit wider. How long is the valve on your rim strips? I’m thinking I might need to buy extra-long ones to replace my standard No-tubes valves due to the extra depth of the LB rims.

I used DT Swiss ones and they were fine.

Cool, thanks njee.

I measured the 35mm 29er ERD as 584mm when ours arrived last week. Waiting on spokes now we've ordered them.

First impressions were nicely finished and laterally very stiff.

I was really impressed when I went to stress mine during building - put the hub on the floor leant on the rim and... nothing. No movement, no spokes unwinding slightly.

Well it seems I have the customs charge letter but no parcel, whatever that means?!

That you have to pay the charges before they release the parcel... What else do you expect?

By the way, just changed to summer tyres on my LB rims and the combination of the deep rims and wider profile on the tyres means that the ratchet straps on the wheel trays of my bike-rack won't now lock in place.

Bungee straps have now been bought, small price to pay for the extra volume / lightness / stiffness.

2.3" Butcher Control on the front and 2.3" Purgatory Control on the rear btw.

Northwind - enjoy the wait, that'll teach you to gloat at my waiting 😉

proutster - Member

Northwind - enjoy the wait, that'll teach you to gloat at my waiting

I REGRET NOTHING!!1!

Northwind
I REGRET NOTHING!!1!

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Apart from having an unreliable car? You missed out on a cracking trip up Snowdon and then at Antur Stiniog!!

Might have to organise a trip up to Scotland later in the year to visit Fort William, Glentress and Innerleithen - you up for guiding duties?

That you have to pay the charges before they release the parcel... What else do you expect?

Its been the other way round when I've bought stuff from overseas before, received the package then a customs charge slip. That was from the US though.

Fair enough! No, I got a slip like the "we tried to deliver your parcel", but it said "give us monies", which I did, then I got one saying "we tried to deliver your parcel".

proutster - Member

Might have to organise a trip up to Scotland later in the year to visit Fort William, Glentress and Innerleithen - you up for guiding duties?

Yeah, defo... Would have still made it down if they'd sent me a good injector first time but only got the [i]replacement[/i] replacement on the friday before 🙁 Annoyed.

anyone know actual ERD for 35mm 659b hookless?

Scienceofficer: Thanks. The drawing I found online quotes 589mm for ERD of the 29er/35mm. Did you include the nipple heads?

I always just googled for spoke lengths ghetto style before but I've found, with ali nips especially, the spokes have to be bang on (if you don't want the nipple heads to fail later due to not being supported by the spoke) so did some looking up on correct ERD measurement...I'm sure everyone except me does it properly but just found this vid and might be helpful in case anyone doesn't know:

Then you can input your ERD value here to find correct spoke length: http://spokes-calculator.dtswiss.com/Calculator.aspx

what nipple lengths are people using? LB seem to use 14mm for their own builds.

Jim, you're right, I forgot to include the nipple heads. Factoring them in, it seems the quoted ERD for the 29er 35mm is actually bang on.

Ah cool, nice that that works out...Including the nipple heads in the ERD measurement didn't make sense to me at first but of course, it's where the spoke ends come to that is what you want since ideally they would end exactly flush with the outer face of the nipple head.

I've got about 2-3mm of threads sticking out of my 12mm nips, which is odd if the quoted ERDs are appearing correct, perhaps it's the info American Classic supply that's off 😕

You don't have the 35mm rims do you njee? Perhaps measured by a different person more accurately this time round?

Ah, no, I don't.

I didn't measure at all - for reasons of not wanting to wait another week or so for spokes I just went on quoted ERD & hub dimensions!

It's precisely this reason I waited, only to measure it wrong in my excitement!

I'm just going to throw mine at steve deas, say "make wheels" and leg it. If I have any more involvement in the process I'll probably ruin it all.

Njee: are your spoke threads showing below the nipples? (ie: are the spokes a bit too short? Do they go into the nipple head ok?)

just picked mine up, very impressed with them, size to weight just doesn't compute. excellent finish.

Mine arrived today, only shipped on Tuesday! No customs note, do they sometimes arrive later or have I been lucky? Look smashing, will weigh them once the kids have gone to sleep. As my 4 year old boy is currently hanging upside down out of his bed and asking how you make beer and do giants have birthdays etc it could be a while. I remember going out on Friday evenings and getting on it.....

If the courier has left them and they've come by Parcel Force then you've probably escaped it, mine have always come will a bill 1st then delivery once paid. Hope my new pair slide through too 😉

Bang tidy! Rims weigh 416 and 418g, pleased with that too

Just paid my customs, £27.31, not too shabby. Still annoying that it's 50% handling fee, despite the piss-poor service.

Can't wait for mine to arrive! Thinking about hubs now, proII's or something exotic.....

My 650b rims measured 554 erd although I had some spoke protrusion so I could have probably used 552 in the calculator.

If it's any consolation my rims were handed to customs at 2pm yesterday and released at 8pm. I also appear to have dodged paying any duty or handling, did I mention that bit? Ah, right.

As an aside my mates who are somewhat less confident about Chinese carbon products than myself think they'll shatter into a million tiny shards at high speed. As I stagger about picking up bits of broken bike and teeth they expect me to find a couple of small pieces of paper that were concealed inside the rims in the style of fortune cookies. These will read "Buy cheap buy twice" and "A fool and his money are soon parted".

I'm going for pro 2s - fancy rims, reliable hubs. Supercomp spokes and DT brass nipples

Mine are going on DT240s- got a set of wheels that I'll break up for the hubs (as DTs cost ridiculous amounts new, but seem to sell used pretty cheaply). Can't decide on spokes, was going to go supercomps but d-lights or cx-rays are tempting...

I'd like 240's as well but couldn't find any second hand?

Mine are coming out of a set of EX1750s that I got for a good price a while back. PS, anyone want to buy some tin rims?

Looks like our sultan builds are still pretty similar Dave. That's exactly how I'm building mine up too.

Great minds think alike SO, or more likely two fools one thought as they say in Germany! Got your Pikes yet?

these are going on pro 2 evos with the 40 tooth thing. haven't decided on spokes but nothing fancy, think I can get cheap sapims.

Can a std proII be upgraded to the 40t thing?

No, they can't be altered.

I'm building my 29 hookless on Pro 2 evo with DT Revolution from Rose Bike, should be a nice light build.