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Was reading the cycling plus road bike of the year review and the thing that stood out was how heavy the bikes all were (relatively for bikes well over 2k - most were over 8kg)
So lets see your uci limit or below builds. Mine is a smidge over 7kg so doesnt count..
What is the protocol for weighing road bikes?
Pedals on? Bottle cages on?
What is the protocol for weighing road bikes?Pedals on? Bottle cages on?
Scales reading -3lbs?
Haha, that's for Giant Trance owners innit?
Price inflation = weight inflation at low/mid price points.
Getting under the 7kg mark isn't easy at all - it requires a top end groupset and fairly exotic wheels.
My 2010 Addict has a light frame, carbon bars/post etc and still comes in over the 7kg mark due to Ultegra/Ksyriums.
relatively for bikes well over 2k - most were over 8kg
So how much to buy a sub UCI weight limit (6.8kg) bike these days? Surely it's waaaay more than 2k? Or am I living in the past lol
I take it all back, a quick look on the interwebs and it all looks surprisingly attainable! 🙂
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£2999, don't see anyone beating canyon on weight/£ ratio
A bike that's never delivered weighs nothing.
My [url= https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/aeroad/aeroad-cf-slx-8-0.html ] Aeroad 8.0[/url] was actually 7.2kg with pedals so sub 7.0kg without.... pretty good considering the deep sescion wheels and it's an aero frame. oh and OnzaDog it was delivered in less than a week 🙂
So is it pedals off, like with MTB weights?
Izalco Max with SRAM Red 22 + DT Swiss Dicut wheels cost me £3499 in 2015 - was 6.3kg without pedals/cages/mounts etc, using workshop scales.
It's slightly heavier now with the eTap on.
(EDIT - Just weighed with pedals, cages and garmin mount. 6.735kg)
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2013 Madone 5 series
Full Dura Ace Di2
RXXXL Carbon finishing kit
25mm GP4000s + Nothing special tubes.
7.14kgs as pictured, so 4kgs W/out cages and pedals....
£a lot more than £2k
Weighs a lot more now it has a turbo trainer attached...
Canyon ultimate sl 9.0, 7.2 kg (as delivered without pedals and cages) @ £1850
Pedals included!
My canyon sl with ultegra and kysyriums weighs just under 7.3 kg with speed play pedals. Only thing non standard is the ti skewers.
Cost me 1900 a few years ago.
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Stock image. Weight is <7kg but without pedals or cages. Goes up a bit more when I add 1.5L of water, saddle bag and Garmin. Not actually weighed mine with proper scales though to check.
It has to be weighed in the state that you would ride it. So with pedals imho. Bottle cages are optional.
Pictures with proof of weight if you have them.
I've sold the frame now, but I had a Hong Fu 066 which came in well under 7kg for not *that* much (relatively). According to my nerdy spread sheet, built up with 24mm Chinese carbon tubs, Record F/R mech, Planet X crappy lightweight brakes, K Force light chainset, it weighed 6.4kg with two Arundel cages, SPeedplays, and a Garmin mount I'll try to dig out a pic but I mostly rode it in a heavier build with 34mm Corima tubs and a power meter.
My old Roubaix has been on a diet but even after that it only made it to 8.2kg (with cages and pedals) and that's despite if having some fairly light bits (Dura-ace C24 wheels and a Dura-ace cassette for example). I suspect it'd take a lot of cash to get it sub 7kg if it's even possible!
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A touch over 7kg when it has the carbon wheels on.
Just under 6kgs, complete with cages, pedals, garmin mount and dirt. Its done 30,000km so far and seems pretty robust even at that weight, although I do have a slightly heavier pair of wheels that I normally use instead of these 1kg pair.
Old but still good in my opinion, not at all sure what I would replace it with, maybe try an aero bike instead?
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7.4kg in the pic. It goes under 7.0 if I swap the saddle for something less padded and remove the bottle cage and Garmin sensor. And I've not trimmed the seatpost or steerer.
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So how much to buy a sub UCI weight limit (6.8kg) bike these days? Surely it's waaaay more than 2k? Or am I living in the past lol
Cost less than a cycle to work scheme, including buying the complete secondhand bike and replacing everything bar the frame and forks (which aren't in themselves light).
The only secondhand bits in the end was the rear mech and bifters (and the frame/forks).
It's really not that difficult to do, just spend money where it saves the most weight. That means alloy stems and bars, but going to town on things like wheels where you can get some really light stuff for relatively small cost. For example those wheels weigh 1250g and cost less than Mavic's Ksyrium's (the entry level ones, not even the pro/elite models).
Defy Advanced SL (Medium), with Dura Ace everything, carbon bars and stem, and no seatpost. When wearing the carbon wheels it's bang on 7kg. Lightest frame Giant ever made and a Paris Roubaix winner thanks to Degenkolb. But I prefer the Dura Ace/Sapim/Mavic CXP33's it's wearing here. Light is nice, but stiffness matters too.
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Will be out on it tomorrow first thing en homage 🙂
The race bike is 7.4 kg, so doesn't quite make it. Propel (and TCR) frames are heavier than this one, and we won't mention the disk abominations they are passing off nowadays!
Oh and Dolan Seta track bike is under 7kg, but brakes are important on a road bike 😉
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Surely it's waaaay more than 2k?
This one doubles the value of the car I carry it in. So yes. As was the race bike.
It goes under 7.0 if I swap the saddle for something less padded and remove the bottle cage and Garmin sensor
Even a fairly burly saddle weighs <400g, so you'd have to swap it for an imaginary one and perch on the seat-post.
I think overall the thread pretty much proves what I said way back up there that bikes at or below the limit are still fairly rare/exotic, given that we've got 1 picture (and maybe one hiding under the broken pic links) so far.
What is the protocol for weighing road bikes?Pedals on? Bottle cages on?
Before you get on to go for a ride you can attach a Garmin and put bottles in the cages.
Do people really ride bikes without pedals?
bikes at or below the limit are still fairly rare/exotic, given that we've got 1 picture (and maybe one hiding under the broken pic links) so far.
I count 3, but no broken links...
I think overall the thread pretty much proves what I said way back up there that bikes at or below the limit are still fairly rare/exotic
Yeah. My race bike is 7.6Kg with 7900, deep wheels, power meter, etc. It's not at all unusual to see pro bikes about 7.5Kg unless it's a GT contender on a mountain stage.
I have a sub 8kg bike that cost me under £1k new but I'd probably have to spend that again to get it near or under 7kg.
Do people really ride bikes without pedals?
It's just become the standard for MTB weighing as it's how bike companies weigh them, so makes it easier to benchmark.
So not as silly a question as all that. Road bike are usually sold sans pedals too aren't they?
Mine came with really crap pedals as a kind of a 'frak you for caring' compromise
as it's how bike companies weigh them
Bike companies weigh them without pedals...
...paint, wheels, forks.... 😆
So not as silly a question as all that. Road bike are usually sold sans pedals too aren't they?
Yes they are sold either without, or with £2 plastic jobs and the manufacturers quoted weights are without. So as far as silly questions go, not hugely silly.
However obviously when talking about UCI weight limit, that's a bike ready to go racing, which obviously requires pedals.
Even a fairly burly saddle weighs <400g, so you'd have to swap it for an imaginary one and perch on the seat-post.
It's ~350g IIRC, it's a cheap saddle. I had one of those cover-less saddles for a while that took it under 7.0kg then eventually swapped it for a normal SLR flow (carbon body, ti rails), so it's around 7.1kg now. I'll ride it into work next week and put it on the scales and prove it.
My point was, that it's almost down to the limit, for under half even the lowest budgets some people are talking about. Throw another grand at it and make it a £2k bike and you could shed even more weight (carbon bar, carbon stem, carbon wheels, the fork is still an alu steerer!). And plenty of stuff is still 'comfortable' rather than picked for weight (bars, seatpost, saddle). If you wanted to do it all new you could buy a chinese carbon frame for not much more than I paid for the original bike.
Weightweenie builds don't need to be expensive if you sped the money sensibly.
Pictures with proof of weight if you have them.
I have calibration certs. traceable to national standards if required.
however it's my 9.8 kg (down from 12.3 😯 )gravel bike i'm interested in - never had the road bike on em.
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It's really not that difficult to do, just spend money where it saves the most weight
9 speed dura ace, saved me a loads of weight for real budget money. shifters were ~ 60. (worth less now.) fr/rr mechs about £15 each.
However obviously when talking about UCI weight limit, that's a bike ready to go racing, which obviously requires pedals.
Indeed.
The motor is more obvious when you be like
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I will dabble..
Trek Emonda 54
Ultegra Di2 with DuraAce Chainset.
Fizik OO Saddle and Bars and R1 Stem.
Vittora Corsa G tyres
Easton EA90 SLX Wheel with TI Skewers.
Garmin Vector Pedals.
Topeak Carbon Cages x 2
6.8kg on the head with everything bar bottles, saddle bag and Garmin.
I have some EE brakes and some Jagwire Elite cables to fit that should knock another 150grams off that.
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I've a Cervelo R5ca with SRAM Red, MavM40cs, Carbon everything else.
It's lovely, it's far better than I am, it's been hanging on the wall unused for nearly a year.
It's light, about 13lbs in old money, which is light enough.
For example those wheels weigh 1250g
what kind of wheels are they?
As has been pointed out i reckon it wouldn't be that hard to custom build a bike to the UCI limit for under 2k
As long as you start with a sub 1kg frame and decent wheels that is. Thats not to say it would be suitable for my 14 stone frame, but it would be possible..
My old PX pro carbon weighed 7.4, and I built it up for about 700 quid!
6.75kg with those wheels (not mine), 7.2kg with more normal wheels
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Once I cut the rear brake cable and steerer down this was 13.9lbs (ex pedals, I use P1s, so that's quite a handicap!)
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DengFu FM208
Dura Ace 9070 Di2 groupset
FarSports/Tune wheels (1320g)
Carbon bits
I just knew njee would be along shortly with some featherweight
Doesnt your mountain bike almost qualify if i remember!
18.9 (with pedals) was the lightest that got sadly! Portly frame though. The new 800g S-Works frame would save over a pound! Sadly I just don't ride enough to justify them any more 🙁
Even the Chinese bike felt extravagant!
Yeah any frame that can barely get below 19lbs must have been made of pig iron 😉
I cant help but feel weight saving on an mtb can be a bit of a false economy. I saved 200g by going with a ralph on the front...oh my..its lethal...
Thats what I like about roadbikes...weight loss with very little compromise
A Ralph?! Winter tyres, you need Thunder Burts 😉
It's a 1350g frame, which is pretty portly! You are right though, even Surrey Hills trails have changed markedly in the last 5 years and I do kinda want something bouncier most of the time. As you say, on the road there aren't really negatives, within reason!
I wouldn't swap any of the bikes posted for my 8kg plus pegoretti apart from maybe the Waterford (to swap the bits over!)
Bikes are for riding not weighing and posting on the internet, I bet half those posted are not that nice to ride, I get the point for racing and hill climbs but being a weight weenie just looks like an exercise in frustration as somebody will always have a lighter bike.
I love mine, feels brilliant. Nothing was chosen purely for weight, can't speak for any others.
Yeah my 7.3lb canyon could easy lose half a kilo without any issues and rides like a dream.
Dont see why a light roadbike would be any less nice to ride than a heavier one. The opposite in fact, the heavier bikes ive tried arent nearly as nice
Totally agree! I can imagine flexy 900g tub wheels, full carbon saddles and downtube shifters being a bit unpleasant, maybe. But there's nothing crazy on here, just nice bikes.
7.1kg pre-power meter.
All old-tech kit, comparatively speaking, and either bought as NOS, or in sales.
Storck Scenario CD0.9 frame and fork
Hope RS5.0SP tub wheels
Full Dura-Ace 7900 excepting cassette which was SRAM red hollow, and now PM replacing DA crankset.
Easton EC90 seatpin
Easton EA70 stem
Zipp SLC2 bars
Fizik Antares 00 saddle (for sale, £120)
Look Keo carbon/ti pedals.
Nice to ride, don't see many of them about.
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Sorry to upset you mrSmith, but my Defy replaced my Merlin Cyrene, which I absolutely loved. The Defy is a better handling, stiffer, more comfortable and lighter bike. It just lacks the lovely engraved titanium tubing. I miss that bike 🙁
Decided to ride the 9 kilo steel frame fixed wheel road bike tomorrow. There is a lighter fixed road bike in my future. I've thought about a Peg, but the defy is just too nice a ride to justify now.
This was just under 7kg (pedals, cages, Garmin mount and sensor included) before it got dismantled...
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None of it crazy light parts, Wilier Zero 7 frame and fork in Large (55.5cm), SRAM Red eTap groupset (with Ultegra 11-28 cassette), Reynolds Assault tubeless wheels (with 25c Schwalbe Pro One Tubeless tyres), FSA carbon bar/stem, Ritchey carbon post, Pro carbon saddle, Look Keo carbon pedals etc.
Could quite easily have lost 400g or more by going for silly lightweight stuff, but at 13st and a fairly hard rider (read hard on kit, rather than fast) and prioritising aero (to a point) over weight, I was pleased enough with the (just) UCI legal weight given it was built to take some abuse too...
I wouldn't swap any of the bikes posted for my 8kg plus pegoretti apart from maybe the Waterford (to swap the bits over!)
Bikes are for riding not weighing and posting on the internet, I bet half those posted are not that nice to ride
I wouldn't swap mine for a Pegoretti, but I'd be very very happy to own one as well! They're lovely bikes.
I've done a week of eight hour days on terrible roads on mine - there had been a storm that had thrown mud, rocks and debris all over the place. It's been set up for long rides so not a particularly aggressive position. It's just as comfortable/more comfortable as/than my other road bikes.
Still, how about a 2013 Scott CR1 for the Pegoretti?
Still, how about a 2013 Scott CR1 for the Pegoretti?
Absolutely not, the only compressed resin and fibre bike I fancy would be something like a Sarto or Casati. Italian tube to tube custom over something popped out of a mould for me.