[Closed] Kielder 100: Achievable for mere mortals?

I'd never ridden more than about 40-50 miles off road before and found it ok. I have done quite a lot this year though, including the C2C in a day. Most of my fitness comes from doing the Old County Tops fell race which I've done for the last 6yrs. It's not cycling, it's way harder than that ( 😉 ) but some of the fitness seems to transfer and the ability to just keep going for hours helps!

So yes, definitely you should be able to do it.

I do expect to live for ever though.

I quit it. I race bikes quite a bit, but wasn't quite in the right frame of mind. It was rainy, I'd only got my tent pitched at about 1am the morning of the race and had a terrible night's sleep. I'd returned from America just 2 days earlier and was still jet lagged. I'd done another race the previous week and completely burnt myself out to get a good result and my legs were mush.

Basically, I had a disaster and hated it BUT it wasn't my sort of thing. It is the ultimate challenge, it is very difficult and not something to be entered on a whim, but if you work hard before it, get in the zone and are determined enough then you'll be able to manage it. I prefer the lapped format but can definitely see the appeal of this wonderful event.

As for training- long rides, quite a few of them. General rule is if you can do 50 happily then you can do 100, so build up and do a few 50 mile rides and occasionally a 100.

Was that you I chatted to briefly (thinking you were my mate for a moment!) on the way up back towards Deadwater? I was on an Alfined Scandal.

Probably a good idea to get signed up for some Merida 100k rides to keep you motivated and give you some short / mid term targets to aim for!

funny, i was thinking the same thing earlier having read the mag, and am toying with the idea of entering as i prefer one long loop to laps of a course. if it was me, i'd train by entering meridas, longer rides, and some road stuff to mix it up.

I managed it and I'm pretty much a mere mortal.

If you're just aiming to finish, lots of long rides and some "milestone" events in the lead up to the race itself are a good plan. Aim to get out riding as much as you can, bike commute, long weekend rides where suffering is a feature and you will condition your body to it.

If you're aiming to finish well (say sub 10 hours) you'll need a more structured approach to increase speed as well as stamina (interval training and other torture).

Determination and the correct mindset are just as important as is keeping yourself healthy and not over-training. If you go into something like that thinking "I don't think I can do this", you're probably right, so building up your confidence on similar, shorter events is a good idea.

Deadwater? Alfined Scandal?

If you had just seen me sat on the side of the trail looking unhappy and I was talking nonsense about Rohloffs, then yes, that was me!

Quit 25 miles later.

enter it and train. you'll be fine. I pulled out after 65 miles, but i had just got back from a two week wine and cheese marathon in France and did not expect it too be that hilly. the weather played a part, but expect it to be like that next year. a couple of interval rides a week and one long one is enough training to finish imo.

By the way I'd say 75% of the riders were people who just ride bikes, with no illisions of winning or getting a great time, it wasn't full of racers by any stretch of the imagination

I didn't do it but, having done a few endurance events that I would previously have thought were for people much fitter than I'll ever be, my conclusion is that you don't need to be as fit as you might think but you [i]do[/i] need the right mindset.

That's not to say you don't need a reasonable level of fitness, and as someone else said much will depend on whether you just want to get round or be troubling the winners. But I reckon if you regularly do 40+ miles on the MTB at the weekends and maybe a bit of running/road riding in the week on top of that then you've got a good base to realistically expect to finish.

I reckon it's just as important to be used to doing long hours on the hills in crap weather on your own and to be prepared to keep plodding away, and know how much effort to put in and when. IMO a lot of people drop out of these things because they basically can't be bothered any more, not necessarily because they can't do it.

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By the way I'd say 75% of the riders were people who just ride bikes, with no illisions of winning or getting a great time, it wasn't full of racers by any stretch of the imagination

I'd agree with this too- it's easy to imagine that these events are full of ninja racing whippets, and while there are always a few of those most people there will be just like you, or more likely in worse shape.

If you live close enough the Bike Place Kielder race series will be a good introduction to the type of terrain and trails you'll meet on the 100. I think the first one, the Winter Warmer, is in January. They're typically 30 miles so try that and then think 3.5x longer!

I was thinking about doing it but will need to train lots and haven't decided whether I can manage the commitment that I think will be required. It looked a fantastic event to enter though.

Superstar_opponents that was you! At least you recognised a hub gear - most thought I was singlespeed.

Next year eh?

Where's miketually our lantern rouge hero?

I hope it is doable and going ahead as it's my goal for next year. Like you I've got a few road sportives planned. Will do a few short enduro races and a merida or two. Maybe a team 24hr race and generally ride lots in the build up.

I entered it and did it in 11 hours. I hadn't done any structured training for it although I do have a 28 mile commute each day and do regular 70-80 mile on road every saturday. The bit about mindset is the most important factor I'd say. I knew I was going to finish (without sounding big headed). That helped me during the crap weather and when I was suffering approaching the border crossing. It hurt like hell at that point, but I knew it would end!
It was without a doubt, the best day on a bike I've ever had. I will be signing up as soon as entry opens again. My advice - do the same. Sign up, and just ride plenty. On the day, just get into a rhythm and keep pedalling!! I also rode the last 20 miles with a guy called Roger Stilwell (I think it was Stilwell - if you're on here, give me a shout!!). This helped enormously as well and we had a laugh about how deep the puddles were - anything to pass the time and take your mind off the pedalling!

TomB where do you live, I'm Newcastle based and might be interested in hving a "training partner" even if it's only someone to do some very long rides with over the Summer.

TomB where do you live

As mentioned above, you'd be surprised what your body can do if your mind is fixed right. The worst moments I've had in races haven't been physical (althoguh I've had some bad times with that too!) they've been mental, my head telling me that it'd be so easy to go back to bed, to just pull out here.
Having said that, a positive frame of mind is so much easier if you've done some training for it and KNOW you're ready for what's coming.

Mix it up, build up to it gradually with a few long rides (road and MTB), maybe a mix of Merida's and Sportives with a few shorter races in there to build speed.

As a rough general rule I reckon 10 miles on road to be the equivalent of about 10km off-road so it makes it easy to work out comparisons eg a Merida at 100km is approx = 100 miles on road.

i know it's a bit of a cliche, but it's really a mental challenge.

you have to have a fitness base, and be used to being on the bike for extended periods, but if you're determined that's the most important bit.

good rule of thumb too that if you're regularly riding 50 miles comfortably then 100 should be do-albe. the last few miles may not be much fun though!

it did have *a lot* of climbing, FYI!

I also pulled out partly due to lack of willpower and partly lack of training. However, I think as long as you're reasonably fit it's almost more a question of being able to just keep going on the day. As a comparison I managed about 90 miles at 10 under the ben earlier in the year and really enjoyed that and found it no trouble but by the time I got to the 50 mile mark at keilder I'd had enough.

Part of that was the weather - it was glorious at 10 under - and part of it was just not being in the right frame of mind on the day. It's also the one big loop aspect which makes, in hindsight, a surprising difference in that you can't chunk up the riding in quite the same you can with lap based events.

I think it's achievable for anyone who rides their bike a decent amount fitness wise. It's the bloody mindedness half of it that's hard to prepare for. I think the best recommendation is the number of people that didn't get round, myself included, that seem determined to give it another go next year.

Hummmm.
Bit of a mixed bag here.
There is a simple exercise here: if you want to eat excellent Indian food, look at those Indians eating in which restaurants.
Therefore listen to those who both completed and failed (for whatever reason).

If you clock up many miles each day or at least train 4 times a week for 15hrs+, you should be OK.
Remember, they are going to be more stringent on cut-offs for 2010. No more returning after dark.
I too am in the same boat as you.
At 46 in 2010, it’s an event I wish to complete.
That & solo at MM riding 14 laps or more.

'I'd never ridden more than about 40-50 miles off road before and found it ok. I have done quite a lot this year though, including the C2C in a day.'

C2C in a day??? Blimey. That's what I call fit!

Paul- no next year for me, you caught me a particularly low place!

Absolutely not my sort of event- I'll be sticking to 24 hour and 12 hour races (got 3rd at Relentless recently- went into that shaking with fear after Keilder but fortunately got my act together).

i'm totally behind the mindset for the event. I do train alot, roughly about 3-4 hours a day ( this a mixture of commuting/running and gym stuff) during my working day and aim for 3 - 6 of just cycling on my days off. The downside of this is i know i dont rest enough ( get guilty if i dont bike everyday)
Anyway, leading upto the event had done the 135mile road sportive merida and 100k the next day so i knew i was capable of mileage. On the day of the event went into it just wanting to finish, then next year using learnings aim to improve. Was there with some good friends of STW so we were all quite relaxed and chatty. KNowing it was a long slog we were in no rush so think we were 1 of the last to start. After the first 4 or 5 easy miles the racing bug kinda took over me so started moving up through the field ( which took a while overtaking people ). Managed to get a group of 7 of us who kept with each other for about 25 miles until the first service stop where i managed to lose them ( not by choice, more its a downhill then singletrack xc part where some couldn't keep up). Rode for about 15 miles by myself which was quite tough mentally until the 50 mile stop and the infamous deep deep puddles. 2 others caught me up by then so we rode together catching up 4 more, then losing 3 of them. Our group got to the hot food stop where we were all physically and emotionally quite good . Rode with 2 guys after that through sinletrack section before i punctured at the 67 mile board ( a lie). After 10 minutes fixing it no one had caught me so went out after the other 2. Then it hit me. At about 70 mile marker until the 78 mile feeding station i completely bonked physically and emotionally. Felt sick, started seeing double, ants and rabbits seemed to be going quicker than me. Reached that stop and continued up that pig of a climb where i got caught by Pierre who i tagged onto. Rode with him until the red trail section of the bumpiest trail ever where he pulled away. Rode at a slower pace till we rejoined the earlier fire road ( just after the 49 mile feed stop). Caught Pierre who really bonked, as in stopped and waited for me. He ran out of juice and food so i fed and watered him but he pulled over just before the sandy steep steep climb ( grrr). After that i rode to the finish, getting 11th in open male

What did i learn:
Need alot more longer rides put in before hand, aiming for some 8 - 9 hours constant cycling rides
Drink more during race, eat more solids ( must of had about a dozen gel packs -yummy though)
Pace yourself and if poss ride with 1 or 2 others at a comfortable pace.
If your after a good time, placing, dont start at the back
Ride a light bike ( mine was prob the heaviest there - 32lb turner 5 spot)
If you feel ill, ride through it cos it will ebb away
Wear insect repelent
Have a laugh with those who you meet, or at least chat to them
HAve a target time in mind and think 20 miles = 2 hours etc

Brilliant and thought provoking responses. Thanks all, some things to mull over now.....

I am a mere mortal. I generally do not race and ride 4-5 hours a week. In preparation for the K100 I upped the amount of riding I did from about three months out. My goal had been to increase the length of my rides by 10 miles per week,hoping to do a 80/90 miler a couple of weeks before the event. It didn't work out like this at all. While I did manage to increase my riding time significantly and for about a month I probably rode about 12hrs a week with two long (40ish miles) offroad rides. I never did get the long rides in. When it got the the race my fitness was OK.

A key element for me was the two 12 hour solo event I had ridden last year. These really helped me in state of mind stakes. I knew that I could ride for the best part of 12 hours. In fact I ended up riding for all of 12hrs 30. These events also helped me practice my eating which is important too. I still got this wrong and it cost me dear.

If I do enter next year I will want to do better so will do something very similar but try to start from a higher fitness base by riding more this winter. I need to work on my speed. I should also move to somewhere with hills.

If I want to get near to 10 hrs I'll need to buy some gears.

Martin - A bike which excites you helps a great deal too I suppose 😉

How long before the event did you get your Paradox, and did this factor in at all, being a different bike which needing getting used to?

Good write ups, thanks all

well I puked my guts up for most of the preceeding week followed by frantically eating anything I could lay my hands on thurs and fri- seemed to work OK!

radoggair- you might want to think about your training I dont train nearly that much!

I talked a mate into doing it, he'd never riddern more than 60 miles before either on road or off road but is a stubborn beggar and got round in 13.5hrs despite having lost a lot of time towards the end when one of his knees started playing up. Its all about being prepared for a big day out, and most importantly eating well through out the event.
I got round in 9:54 and did ok in the vets, in my defence I was on gardening leave / out of work for the first half of the year and did a disgusting mileage with a lot of 6hr rides. transportugal and the thetford summer series then kept me in reasonable nick. Definitely didn't go as hard as on a laps race but figured destroying myself on a wet day in the hills a long way from home when you don't know how long its going to take might not be the best course of action when you weigh up the consequences compared to staggering back through a flat forest on a sunny day.

Top event, enter it, do some prep and enjoy the day. In my opinion the hills aren't that bad, there's nothing where you'd spend 30 minutes in the granny ring grinding up it. Hopefully back next year in whatever shape my new daughter allows

Where's miketually our lantern rouge hero?

Here I am!

14 hours, last man in. [url= http://mactually.co.uk/?p=339 ]My write up.[/url]

Training: I ride 6 miles to work and back, 5 days a week (total of 30 miles a week). Other than that, Kielder was my 13th ride of the year. ([url= http://mactually.co.uk/index.php?cat=11 ]I record rides on my website.[/url]) The rides I had done were often fairly long though, including a 90 mile road ride (on my MTB) and riding 50 road rides to get to/from a group off-road ride.

I'd agree on the mental aspect being more important than the physical, if you just want to finish.

And beetroot juice. Beet-It is particularly good 😉 And I think I'd have done better on a 29er made by a different company 😉

I've a few training rides in mind for 2010, and am hoping to go faster.

Some wierd part of me really wants to try this next year. Don't ask me why, or even if I think I can do it....... 🙂

crikey Mike - hope this doesn't come across as sarcastic (not meant to be in anyway) just looked at your mileages on your site, if you can do Kielder on that sort of a build up you must be a latent ironman, good skills!

Matthew

still watching this thread, and getting more and more interested in doing this 😕 i think i will try to find some people similar paced and talk them into riding it with me 😀

I completed it in 11.5 hours.

I didn't do much specific training but had done quite a few events/races during the year (the longest off road ride I'd done up-to then was approx 90k).

Oddly it wasn't actually as hard I was expecting it to be - I found the 3 Peaks CX race a few weeks later more physically demanding?!

It was ace though, I will be back next year in an attempt to do a sub 10 hour.

[url= http://www.oneblackdot.com/ride/index.php/2009/09/07/montane-kielder-100-race-report/ ] Read my write up of the Kielder 100[/url]

crikey Mike - hope this doesn't come across as sarcastic (not meant to be in anyway) just looked at your mileages on your site, if you can do Kielder on that sort of a build up you must be a latent ironman, good skills!

Yeah, I do wonder what I could do with some actual training 🙂

i thought that around this time last year, promptly got made redundant and knocked out about 6000 miles by the end of June under the guidance of Matt from Torq, discovered I could ride a long way quite fast. Then started work again, rediscovered beer & cake and became a father and have quickly reverted to type.
My top tip would be to NOT buy trousers when you are the fittest and thinest you have ever been 🙂

[i]Oddly it wasn't actually as hard I was expecting it to be - I found the 3 Peaks CX race a few weeks later more physically demanding?![/i]

I've raced many 24hr races including a 2nd place in Men's Pairs at SITS and I find the Three Peaks to be the hardest of all!

Being made redundant might not be the best idea, as we bought a new house 2 days ago 🙂

Crazy-legs your a New Millser too aren't you?

[i]Crazy-legs your a New Millser too aren't you? [/i]

Not by birth but yes, I know what you mean! 😉

To answers Bonesetter's question. I had one 40 mile ride and a couple of shorter ones on the Paradox before the K100. Just about enough time to make sure it was comfortable and the bars were the right height.

Now I've got it back I know I would have been quicker on the Jones. Although the weights are within a couple of pounds it feels about half the weight and climbs like a goat.

jonB
Im newcastle based (near enough). I ride virtually every day - would be good to have some one to ride with! Where abouts are you based? Let me know if you fancy it.

I turned up to this event knowing that I would be capable of the distance as I do most of the No Fuss 10 hour events solo, which rack up more than 100 miles.

The start was annoying for me, the usual that it went off fast with alot of folk racing to the front then on the first small climb I got bogged down, before taking the outside line passing a large chunk of people!

I decided to ride with 3 fellow club mates, as we were all about the same ability. We did this because I knew there was no chance of winning so I wanted to ride and have a bit of fun in the process. Also we could help each other on through the bad patches.

Overall it was the hardest race I have done due to the conditions and the course. I think people under estimated what it was going to be like. Was a very well organised event but was disapointed by how many non finishers there was.

I managed to get in 9 hours 40mins in 14th place. I was very chuffed with that and maybe next year with knowledge of the course I could get into the top ten. Was a good weekend all in all, see you all next year! 😯

but was disapointed by how many non finishers there was

why does it matter to you how many people finished or not? (speaking as a non finisher)

I honestly really didnt care how many folk finished, but all the hype on here I think people vastly under estimated what they had got into.

Half the field di not finish, some for reasons that they could not help (snapped seatpost, freehub ****ed etc), but for those that did not finish was it the majority that you had under estimated what was in store?

I am not one for quitting and it would take a lot before I gave up, just ask about relentless if you want to know, but to me some just gave up to easily after to speaking to them after the finish.

Maybe I am just a tight **** that doesnt want to waste his entry fee! But I would have liked to seen more people finish it, more for there own personal achievement than anything else!

But good on those that had the balls to at least try it and there is something to aim for next year!

there is something to aim for next year

Apparently, the time cut offs are going to be tighter next year, which means I need to get faster.

I don't think the limits will be tighter. just they'll be stricter on sending people back if they miss them. the figure of 130 finishers was nonsense. only 130 went through the 65 mile point according to the FC guy. I think if people got to the next c/p they were letting them continue, even though they were out of time. that won't be happening next year

Ah, I see.

The fact that the results don't contain times for CP4 may indicate that the cutoff wasn't policed. There's a simple way to confirm it.

We know Mike left CP4 just before the cutoff time and finished DFL. How many riders passed you on the final section Mike?

We know Mike left CP4 just before the cutoff time and finished DFL. How many riders passed you on the final section Mike?

I left CP4 at 5:15, and I believe the cut-off was 5:30.

A lot of riders passed me in the 25 miles from that CP to the finish. No idea on the actual number, but there were quite a lot - around a dozen just on the final boardwalk/descent to the finish, I'd guess.

An enjoyable thread on STW! Trouble is,I'm getting the bug. Did a 50 mile off/on road challenge last Sunday,which I found tough.....and then double the pain...

I agree with Raddogair.... RIDE A LIGHT(ISH) BIKE!
Weighed my Orange when I got back and it was 32lbs. Wish I'd taken the whyte at about 24lbs with a saddle that was bedded in, where as the Orange was 100miles old.

Bike-wise, a rigid singlespeed is the way to go.

Don't know if its been mentioned already but online entry is now open.

Bike-wise, a rigid singlespeed is the

only in order to finish DFL ( though fair play for actually finishing 🙂 )

Cheers for the head's up HH, I'm in for '10 🙂

As a pointer, I completed 11 (it would have been 13 but for my oppo' puking and then dozing off again in the wee small hours) at Bonty 24. We came 10th in the men's Vets pairs team.

I'd almost be better off doing Bonty 12 next year and try for more speed.

On the Peaks Summer Polaris in 2009 I came 1/3rd (can't recall my actual position) on my first attempt. Solo. Without a map board which was dumb & slowed me up somewhat!

These will not be a high enough level of speed and fitness for the MK100 in 2010 IMHO. A sobering thought for me too.

Anyone else got examples of well attended races / events that can be used as "gauges" that they rode in 2009 that might in some way help others equate how they prepared to ride 100 miles XC & how they found the ride at Kielder?

Hope this helps.

Ti29er: was it you assembling your bike by the shop on Friday evening rummaging around for the right disc pads chatting to an American guy and me?

My advice would be gets lots of time out on a bike. Nothing else prepares you for riding 10+hrs. If you haven't done a 10-12hr ride before then do so. You need to a have a plan on how to get through the mental downs.

And I'll second miketually - get a rigid SS, it's the only way to go. Thats my plan for 2010.

Long rides on your own.

2010 thread: http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/psa-kielder-100-2010-entry-open-now

Martin, yep, that was me.
The good looking one would have been the only description you would have needed to mention!
SS? Not for me, but hving never tried one....
No to fully rigid if you value your hands and wrists and arms and shoulders and chest! That's a massive beat-up for sure.

Can I suggest this as a reasonable test on the 10th of May?

[url= http://www.bucksoffroadsportive.co.uk/ ]121 km in the Chilterns[/url]