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Do all kashima stantions have the genuine kashima coating logo at the top of the legs? Asking as just got the mojo upgrade and their the ligher gold not the dirty bronze in colour and don't have the logo on. Thought I would do the usual and ask the STW massive before going back to mojo and feeling stupid!
Think pre-2012 Kashimas don't have the logo.
I think the Kashima coating can vary slightly in colour, so don't necessarily use that as a guide.
I can't believe a business such as Mojo would be trading in anything but authentic parts.
Mine arrived yesterday from Mojo. They seem dark and do have the logo at the top. 1 1/8 steerer in black, if that makes a difference.
HTH
My 2011 Kashima don't have logos on. They are much darker than standard Fox though.
I was thinking maybe 2011 parts as the latest stuff is much darker and has the logo, shame really as got the shock upgrade aswell which is dark brown and has logo on and as we know the most important thing is that all component colours match! Also for £275 I would have liked the latest product ie 2012 stantions.
What do they do for the upgrade? Replace the steerer,crown,stanchion assembly? (soory for slight hijack)
2011 Forks don't have any Logo on the stanchions.
What do they do for the upgrade? Replace the steerer,crown,stanchion assembly? (soory for slight hijack)
For the price I'd expect spooning afterwards too.
Is it really worth the £275? I would have thought a custom tune would do more good.
Yeah, but what if you have worn stanchions? I've heard a rumour this is possible with Fox Forx...
I had mine done 3-4 weeks ago and had to have a white CSU on my light grey forks. The reason being they had run out off the grey 2012 legs and couldn't give me a date when they would be in.(The white CSU has the logo on the legs) I reckon they must struggling to get hold of the latest legs and you've got some 2011 versions, doesn't really matter as the only difference is the logo.
my 2012 Fox Van 36 RC2s do have the Logo on at the top!
I read somewhere that pre 2012 Kashimas don't
NB the shade of gold on the Kashimas does differ due to manufacturing processes
Yeah earlier Kashima coating seems to be more gold than bronze. I was staring at my 2011 Kashima 36s recently wondering if they had faded or if they had always been a little pale or if it was my mind playing tricks on me... I even dropped the lowers to see if the colour was darker below the seals just in case. When next to a pair of non-coated forks (forx) however, the difference is obvious.
doesn't really matter as the only difference is the logo
you're not from around these parts, are you?
I expect it is to stop people looking like they have 2012 forks - "although you upgrade your not gonna have top of the line looking forks" ? Maybe I'm wrong - as above they may very well be spare 2011's?
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My 2012 Van 36 RC2, i know they are 2012 as it says on the label on the box, as you can see the kashima coat isn't that dark!
The coating colour will vary slightly from batch to batch of the stantions (and other coated units)due to the amount of dye used in each 'run' and a few other variables, or so I was told
The coating colour will vary slightly from batch to batch of the stantions (and other coated units)due to the amount of dye used in each 'run' and a few other variables, or so I was told
Separate production runs will end with a slightly different shade, Fox say this is normal and is a result of the process!
as you can see the kashima coat isn't that dark!
Compared to non kashima coated it is!
It depends on what class Mojo perceive you to be. The richer you are, more gold they put in the coating.
I got custom tune at same time and the skf seals will probably make a big difference. Would have liked the choice really as the logo's on top of stantion are important for braging!
In terms of performance v cost, it would be best to fit a FIT cart. (tuned if necessary) and the SKF seals.
I got custom tune at same time and the skf seals will probably make a big difference. Would have liked the choice really as the logo's on top of stantion are important for braging!I believe that Fox now spec all 2012 Forks with the improved SKF seals, Simon form LOCO will probably confirm this!
yep that's true, they're better stiction wise, running them on a set of my standard coated forks too.
No doubt someone will be along in a min to warn us of severe stanchion wear on Fox forks - Yes they will wear if don't service the seals regular... It is such an inexpensive, quick job to carry out even if it is every 30 hrs on the Van 36's.
you're not from around these parts, are you?
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Do the Kashima coated legs actually last any longer? Suspect mine will need doing at some point, but is it worth it purely for that?!
20% harder according to Fox and lower friction, how that applys is down to enterpretation, they're definatly more 'slippy'
si - do you sell the skf seals? will they be worth it on my fit ones you did me? they are due a service anywas, no special tools required to fit etc? mail me if you want, i think ill have some! 🙂
SKF seals are part of the service now as standard and got the FIT upgrade last year which is definitely worth it. Should have just bought new forks for all the money I have chucked at them and the lowers are hung in the garage at the moment waiting for me to finish off respraying them tonight!
I noticed on the latest Fox blurb they're bleating on about "genuine kashima coating" Has anyone had a fake?
It's about time Fox fitted some decent seals and put a robust coating on their stanchions.
I've just had my forks kashima'd, but won't pick them up till Sunday so can't comment on colour/performance yet. I want to look after them a bit better now though (my previous maintenance regime lead to the need for new csu's 🙂 ), will using fork juice help?
20% longer? Still pretty crap then!
Nothing wrong with Fox forks, its the goons that use them and don't look after them.
[url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/how-do-you-wash-your-bike ]This thread[/url] shows it pretty well.
They don't last as long as others, and have daft service intervals, and cost more than the competitors. I'd not buy them aftermarket.
They don't last as long as others, and have daft service intervals, and cost more than the competitors. I'd not buy them aftermarket.
I have seen just as many RS with stanchion wear. Most people on here don't look after their bikes, as that thread shows. Even washing them is too much for some people.
I have always had Fox forks and shocks, and [b]never[/b] had any problems.
Here we go..... Fox vs RS, I have always had RS forks and they have been brilliant, friends use fox forks and no complaints. However I treated my self to some Fox Van 36 RC2 Kashimas, and they feel great, but so did my Lyriks but the fox look sick!
What is kashima? Is it made of unobtainium?
Edit no just molybdenum
I have seen just as many RS with stanchion wear. Most people on here don't look after their bikes, as that thread shows
Well I specifically avoided getting into a brand on brand discussion, but from my 10 years working in a shop the number of worn Fox CSUs outnumbers RS 10 fold, at least. Despite the fact I've regularly serviced my 9 month old F100s and they're kept immaculate they're showing signs of wear on the LH stantion. I had Reba and SID World Cups I didn't touch for 2 years and they stayed perfect.
great bit of marketing stuff that Kashima(should read Cash for them!). Maybe next year they will change the 2013 colour to purple and have even more people frothing at the mouth and journos saying its "the best possible upgrade". A new colour each year...what a good marketing ploy...
To be fair it's what the bike manufacturers do!
agreed ...im just being silly...allmanufacs do it especially in sports...im soon about to go skiing ...there we see new ski graphics every year...last years models are just so passé 🙂
You'd think for the money they're charging they could manage some sort of consistency tho, eh?LoCo - Member
The coating colour will vary slightly from batch to batch of the stantions (and other coated units)due to the amount of dye used in each 'run' and a few other variables, or so I was told
great bit of marketing stuff that Kashima
Except its not just marketing. If you bothered to research it before waffling on you could actually talk facts instead of crap.
Sorry flow can tell you are a real serious guy and a true Fox fan and read all the tech stuff...cool 😉
Except its not just marketing.
😆 😆 😆
I'd say it's very good marketing myself.
The molecular makeup of Kashima give its very slippery properties....apparently
got both
2012's are darker with a logo
2011's lighter with no logo
both second hand and until this thread i was thinking i might have been ripped off (remember those gold marker pens?)
I turned down the option of having a kashima coated shock on my new frame as I said ''I wasn't fussed''.
unless your obsessed about having all the latest and greatless hype of which you fall to the kness to have.
I'd say it's very good marketing myself.
So you're backing up the fact its just marketing with no facts.
Clever, not.
[url= http://www.kashima-coat.com/pdf/English_pamphlet.pdf ]Some facts[/url] from Miyaki Co
The Japs coming up with a "clever coating", what a stupid thought 🙄
I have no need to back anything up as i couldn't give two chuffs what you send your money on. 😀
Amusing to see you get a bit touch about it though. 😉
I have no need to post pointless comments about things I know nothing about
Aye, you're right there mate.
Flow - mtb is marketted to death
can you please list a full spec of your bike so us "paupers" 😆 can find more to poke fun about?
Flow I think the 20 odd years i spend racing MX and enduro might have given me a small insight into the workings of suspension.
But don't let that stop you reading some marketing hype and thinking you know it all. 😉
So if this Kashima stuff is so wonderful, why do you still have to service the forks every 5 mins to stop it wearing off? Every other manufacturer specifies at least a 50 hour service or in some cases (Marzocchi) the warranty is 3 years with no service restriction.
20 years racing MX and Enduro! Well I take it back oh wise one, you must know what you are on about
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Paupers be gone. Go and start your own thread and leave us alone.
Munkyboy have you noticed any difference in performance between the 2 forks?
To be honest the smal bump response from both is pretty poor - talas forks? I am not a good enough rider to notice any difference (if there even is one)
I think everyone has noticed the difference (except the paupers of course)
Silky smooth and stiction free.
Talas suck, no wonder you didn't.
Talas..... More seals to
I think the cheapest and possibly the best way of keeping fork sanctions in good fettle is to use a fender bender. I can't see dirt getting in on mine... use this with Enduro seals and you'll be laughing all the way to the service centre only once every other year, perhaps?
It's worked for me anyhow.
cashinyawallet is probably the biggest difference... 🙂 at least for the sane amongst us
Poverty must be a difficult thing. Please excuse my plush, slippery, gold stanchions, I didn't mean for them to offend you.
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You'd think Fox could at least get both of the stanchions on a fork [i]roughly[/i] the same colour.
You'd think Fox could at least get both of the stanchions on a fork roughly the same colour.
I think you will find thats the light 🙄
I recently had my non Kashima FIT RLC120 forks back from a warranty issue fitted with the new skf seals and a note a about new internal seals for the air cartridge. They are now significantly plusher and require more pressure for the same sag, as some have experienced and put down to the new slippery coating. As I originally guessed, Kashima is just a visual change to make the internal changes have a more obvious marketable value. It's the seals that make the big difference.
So the coating is irrelevant you think?! Good to see people agree!
Next question then...
Do the new seals provide less friction for the same job as the old seals, or do they just 'seal' less?
Oh it must be oh so sweet to live in the world of flow where you can buy 1 orange five without kashima coated shocks, and then 1 with kashima coated shocks to make a informed conclusion.
The SKF seals, are better 'sealing'( sealisity 😕 😯 )
and have lower frictional properties as well due to the seal compound,
can definatly feel the difference on my standard coat forks that have these fitted 😀
Flow, you really seem to be biting at the minute (here and CCDB on lapierre thread?). I'm not a Fox hater or an RS fanboi but the massive weight of evidence would suggest Fox [i]are[/i] the more fragile (corroborated by their shorter service intervals). Yes some people can trash any fork, and people like you and I who maintain kit will get years out of stuff, but it appears Fox have poor dust seals, the dust gets into the foam wipers, which act as abrading pads on the stanchions. Hopefully the new SKF (or Enduro which I've got in my parts box waiting for the next service on our Fox) are a tighter, better fit and prevent dirt getting thru, and the subsequent wear.
The molecular makeup of Kashima give its very slippery properties....apparently
aluminium oxide (eg. anodized alloy surfaces) is porous. Putting a dye in during the process fills the pores and adds kool anodized colours. Kashima add molybdenum disulphide (like the black moly grease you can buy from halfords) during the process, along with gold pigment. Moly disulphide works like graphite in being a solid with low shear strength between molecular layers, so works as a lubricant as layers move against each other. Putting it in pores on load-bearing or working surfaces is one of those clever "why didnt they think of that before" ideas.
I'd rather be happy my stanchion pores were properly filled with useful lubricating agent than useless but pretty pigment (and I am a tart enough to like gold stanchions and to resent the fact my Marz 55RC3Tis have ghetto nickel-plated stanchions 😀 😳
Poverty must be a difficult thing. Please excuse my plush, slippery, gold stanchions, I didn't mean for them to offend you.
love it!
Flow - Enjoy your Kashimas, I ****ing love mine, they feel amazing and look the nuts!
Enjoy yours too fellow wealthy one, and let the paupers drool at what they cannot afford 😉
Never mind the poor economic climate - this is Stanchion Envy!!!
<all in jest>
I just stroked mine. They purred at me and whispered, "ride me".
I think a lot of people who've come across kashima before judge it harshly, because it's been a total snakeoil product for ages in motorbike use- lots of dodgy suspension tuners offering to coat your fork uppers and shock bodies etc, ie, nonfriction parts, and promising performance improvements. (then, people got back their newly rebuilt part and said Wow! Must be the coating! instead of "Hey, newly serviced shocks are better than shagged out old ones")
Think there's probably an element of this in the pushbikes too- people compare new forks with old, or newly serviced forks with tired ones, or forks with the new seals with forks without. But that's not going to stop me getting my RP kashima'd I think.
Well NW, as you know I had two Fives here, one with a kashima RP23 and one without. The one without was only just serviced, and uses the same seals as the new ones (I think). The kashima RP23 is definitely a lot plusher, practically zero stiction, and thats not just me imagining it.
They also had to increase the compression tune of the shocks ([url=
Mojo say[/url]) due to the decreased stiction.
If it definately used the new seals, that's a great comparison, cheers.
(I've a sneaking suspicion that you could charge a lot of people £150 and write "Kashima" on the can with a gold marker pen, and some people would feel a huge difference 😉 )