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Will i have to pay import duty on it, or is it free inside the EU?
Thanks
Free.
Thanks
No charge 😉
It'll be expensive to send back [s]if[/s] when it breaks though.
thepurist - Member
It'll be expensive to send back if when it breaks though.
Some of the German sites do free postage form the UK - Rose do it, I think.
I think it's named after traumatic event the owners brain will suffer when something so pretty stops working so quickly.
10 mins old and already the idiots are swooping in. STW make me laugh sometimes.
Question has been answered, no need to keep posting just to prove what a tit you are.
If you have paid purchase tax in the EU there is no further tax to pay nor import charges, after all we are one big happy community
Wellll, to be fair it did sound a bit 'look at me'.
You could have just posted 'I've bought something from Germany..' if you didn't want any of the obvious replies regarding the brand, or even spent 30 seconds searching for one of the threads asking the same question, either here or on google. 😉
Let us know when it fails anyway, thanks.
For a bit of balance, my joplin 3 still works great.
I think crying at a bit of ribbing shows who is the tit 🙂
As an owner of several CB products, I'm well aware of the great back up you get from 2pure, keeps me happy.
Which german shop did you buy from? How much was it?
I really hope the new post is good, mostly because of the ded nice things everybody says about 2pure and also because all CB stuff looks fantastic
I'll be after a replacement post in the next year or so and that's definitely in the list
H&S bike discount £215
I'll be keeping an eye on posts on these seatposts, do fancy one but my Joplin has been...er.....problematic. And yet I still like the look of these. Which reminds me, my joplin needs to go back to 2pure again 🙁
Whats the big selling point on the Kronolog just out of curiosity? Why would people sway that direction over a Reverb?
Not digging, just curious, planning on buying a Reverb today or tomorrow from Germany.
I think it's the fact that the cable joins the post at the collar (rather than under the seat clamp)... meaning that you don't have to have a loop of cable/hose like you do on the reverb
What Batlink said plus the kronolog is a mechanical system, some of the other posts on the market are hydraulic. The seals on the hydraulic posts are under a great deal of pressure, and many fail. The kronolog is supposed to work like a woodworking bar clamp. Its a rather simple mechanism, and therefore it may be more reliable. Only time will tell which system, brand, etc. solves the reliability puzzle; they all make great claims but a quick search of the interweb will reveal horror stories regarding the reliability of all of them.
Will be interesting to see how the reliability of the kronolog plays out (early reports on MTBR aren't encouraging though), if they were of equal reliability I'd go for the kronolog personally but I've been stung a couple of times in the past on CB products so no chance I'm go to be an early adopter.
2pure will be offering a joplin trade in soon
2pure will be offering a joplin trade in soon
I noticed they are doing this in the US for $150. Any ideas of a price here?
FuzzyWuzzy - Member
Will be interesting to see how the reliability of the kronolog plays out (early reports on MTBR aren't encouraging though), if they were of equal reliability I'd go for the kronolog personally but I've been stung a couple of times in the past on CB products so no chance I'm go to be an early adopter.
Not a great report from Pinkbike either.
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Crankbrother-Kronolog-Telescoping-Seat-Post-Tested-2012.html
Is it broken yet?How about now?
Now?
Hmmmmmm the Pinkbike review and the snotty reply from Crank Brothers doesn't provide a lot of comfort for the product!!
I'll be honest, that doesn't sound good at all
100mphplus - Member
Hmmmmmm the Pinkbike review and the snotty reply from Crank Brothers doesn't provide a lot of comfort for the product!!
Yeah - "your cable adjustment was a millimetre out" isn't much of an excuse for the thing wearing itself to the point of failure.
Did anyone get a screengrab of the Thompson dropper post before the page was pulled?
Hmmm, reckon they should have made the inner/upper tube steel, and the clamping plates aluminum (and easily and cheaply replaced)
I see the Pinkbike article references the bar clamp design. I've worked extensively with the design of bar clamps and the jamming plate system is not ideal for a seatpost in my opinion.
Alu plates wouldn't work for long at all. The lock relies on the sharp edge of the plate getting purchase on the contact surface. As soon as the edge is knocked off the plate the mechanism slips.
Material selection and careful process control is key to performance.
Still thinking that cannondale should use their 'SI' brand to make bikes with 40mm seatubes and dropper posts using needle bearings.
steel plates on an alloy tube obviously don't work for long at all either, at least the plates would be cheaper to replace.
I think they should be able to make this system work.
The pink bike report will give them pause, but at least it's a visible deterioration, which should be picked up easily.
Saying that, it would take a lot to convince me to buy another crap bros product after seeing all the failures in our group.
The pink bike report will give them pause, but at least it's a visible deterioration, which should be picked up easily.
that shouldve been picked up at the early prototype stage at the very latest, though. i cant take CB stuff seriously. why do people still buy it?!
I cant wait for them to go out of business.
I especially like this quote
We have someone in Taiwan working on this,” he said. Brewster stressed that this issue would fall under crankbrothers’ two-year warranty, without question
How can they release something when its blatantly not ready and wait for journo's to find fault with it.....
Sorry, but this had made my mind up. Reverb it is. I know they're not perfect, but they are obviously far closer than the CB one! 🙄
I like my cb products, but I also find myself going out with women who are stunning to look at, but high maintenance and frankly, a bit of a pain in the arse. You pays your money, and takes your choice. At least the cb warranty makes their products easier to live with than my standard girlfriend choice.
As long as you expect your seatpost to be out of action for a similar amount of time every month, you'll be fine!
The KS Lev looks like it might be better. I´ll stick with the reverb though, bleeding´s annoying and the cable is annoying too, but it works.
The Kronolog really has to be this year's ultimate sh1te design being Beta tested on the buying public....
I mean, come on... anyone with half a brain will figure out that a knurled surface sliding up and down on the inside edge of a seal will invite dirt in, totally compromising the integrity of the seal.
Furthermore, what's this PR cr@p from CB about 'bar clamp designs being one of the oldest and most reliable clamping mechanisms in the world'? Er yeah... for bars that are relatively static and require to be clamped in a single position - NOT bars that go up n' down, up n' down all day long. Those primitive bar clamps were not designed for that at all and in that use cause premature wear - like, Duh!
Does CB actually employ anyone with any Engineering experience at all, or do they just have kids pointing at pics in magazines and sending orders to factories in Taiwan to produce utter cr@p?
Thanks digger can you post up some pics from your testing. How many miles have you been riding with the Kronolog. What kind of conditions were you using it?
Would be good to know how it compares to other dropper posts.
Knurled surface Digger? Have you stumped up your cash or are you guessing
I'm surprised you lot got the the end of the review after Pinkbike reveled that they turned the bike upside down to fix punctures.....
(just off to decide which mallets I'm getting next)
Does CB actually employ anyone with any Engineering experience at all, or do they just have kids pointing at pics in magazines and sending orders to factories in Taiwan to produce utter cr@p?
my guess woyuld be that they've got a big team of Product Design Engineers, so they end up with pretty kit with (real world) functionality as an afterthought
Do I own one? No.
Can I read? Yes.
Is there any similar industrial application of bar clamps on a dynamically adjustable, high frequency moving part? No.
Has there ever been a reliable use of knurling inside a seal? No.
Believe whatever you believe, but it's sh1te.
When you've just bought something people always want to hear it's the best thing ever.
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Crankbrother-Kronolog-Telescoping-Seat-Post-Tested-2012.html
legend, you speak as though you have experience ...
digger +1 it looks shit.
digger + 2
A complete dog. I'd like to register my surprise that Crank Bros have managed to **** up this design. I mean, the Joplins (1,2,3 and 4) were sooooo reliable. 😆
I don't think you need to be an engineer to know that that is a really crap design which is doomed to fail pretty quickly.
my guess woyuld be that they've got a big team of Product Design Engineers, so they end up with pretty kit with (real world) functionality as an afterthought
Agree - except I'd call them Industrial Designers, no 'Engineer' in the job title!
Digger, I agree!
I've said in another thread but I was heavily involved in the design, development and manufacturing for a leading brand of bar clamp using the jamming plate mechanism. In my experience, a seatpost is the wrong application for this and aluminium is not durable enough to sustain the clamping force and wear. I tried to be tactful and subtle, but predicted the failure seen in the reviews.
Real shame, cable location looks great.
toys19 -
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legend, you speak as though you have experience ...
I'm a Production Engineer, filtering out ropey stuff is part of the job. Luckily never had to knock back anything as shite as that though!
Digger90 - MemberHas there ever been a reliable use of knurling inside a seal? No.
Holy shit. I didn't realise the knurling came out from below the seal. That's insane - dragging dirt inside, wearing the seal.... how did they even begin to think that would work?
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Ah I see now, its arm chair expert day on STW.
I obviously didn't receive the memo. 🙄
Id be as grumpy as you stevewhyte if Id been fleeced into beta testing for CB.
My chair doesn't have arms...
Its funny there is more pish on this forum that the mens urinals at Waverly station.
So far my Kronolg is working perfectly, will wait and see if it remains so over the next few months. I am more than happy, unlike most of the folk on here who like the sound of their own voices.
Ah I see now, its arm chair expert day on STW.
Well everyone has to make a decision about what products they buy, which means you have to become your own expert, or do you just believe the manufacturers when they say the product is fine, and any wear is down to poor cable adjustment.
How do you propose we make judgements about what products are good then? Is there a recognised seatpost guru out there who you would refer to?
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So far my Kronolg
Ahh I see, my armchair expertise calls biased opinion from you because you need to justify your own purchase.
just because it is sold on the open market, dons't make it [i]good[/i]
That's annoying, I was really hoping this would be the one to get.
Clear to see from the pictures above that this design is going to be problematic in its current form. Feels like the early days of suspension forks again 😆
Ah I see now, its [s]arm chair[/s] expert day on STW.
FIFY
I've said in another thread but I was heavily involved in the design, development and manufacturing for a leading brand of bar clamp using the jamming plate mechanism. In my experience, a seatpost is the wrong application for this and aluminium is not durable enough to sustain the clamping force and wear. I tried to be tactful and subtle, but predicted the failure seen in the reviews.
You've every right to be upset, you've bought a lemon...
Well guys this is what a warranty is for, if it works then it's great if it doesn't -> Refund
Glad to see were all busy today!
So is anyone running a KS Lev yet? They seem to be available for purchase from Germany. It's either that or the Reverb left as options and I'm not a fan of the Reverb's design...
fuzzy wuzzy interested in the lev - link to purchase site?
A general question; how important is having the "infinite" positions thing? Seems to me that there's only generally a need for full-up and fully-down, although I can accept that there might be a third option between them somewhere.
druid, I use 'somewhere inbetween' all the time.
Fast flowing undulating singletrack? A small drop lets you shift around and pump the bike but take the odd rest.
Techy climb? As above, get the seat out of your crack on rock steps but still have the odd rest.
I'd say my post spends half its time at varying places somewhere in the middle...
A general question; how important is having the "infinite" positions thing? Seems to me that there's only generally a need for full-up and fully-down, although I can accept that there might be a third option between them somewhere.
Quite important, the 3rd option you speak of is the key one - anywhere between the first 2 depending on what your doing
yeah I love the reverb infinite adjustment, I just press the switch, lower my arse to the right level and set.
I had not realised the ks lev was so flippin expensive I had hoped it would be a cheap reverb alternative.
oops my bad, just checked the site again and noticed the June 9th bit which I guess is the availability doh. http://www.bike-mailorder.de/shop/MTB/Sattelstuetzen-und-Klemmen/Vario-und-Federstuetzen/Kind-Shock-LEV-Teleskop-Stuetze-2012-385mm::30283.html
yeah but 249 euros is better than 300 odd quid on wiggle..
I initially used middling amounts of drop quite a lot but the longer I have my KS i900s the more I tend to use full up and full down. I do still use middling amounts of drop but not as much as I used to. I reckon that good lever placement and a fast action would make it even easier to live without infinite adjustment.
stevewhyte - Member
Its funny there is more pish on this forum that the mens urinals at Waverly station.So far my Kronolg is working perfectly, will wait and see if it remains so over the next few months. I am more than happy, unlike most of the folk on here who like the sound of their own voices.
Feel free to disregard the armchair experts, but PinkBike, BikeRadar and BikeRumour have all now posted long term reviews with the same failure. Most of the thread is people commenting on those. It's pretty rare to see a bike part get a bad review nowadays. For one to get three bad reviews in two days...
Bike radar still gave it three stars despite it failing after two months. How does that work then?
Advertising :p
^ that's funny 😀
Toys you crack me up, i will form an opinion from actually using it, you form yours from what exactly.
I'll stick to my way thanks.
you form yours from what exactly
three reports from reputable sources that all say there are serious issues with the post I believe it was.
Seems fair enough to me.
Personally I'd be quite happy to see Crank Bros sink without a trace. Form > Function just really doesn't work for me
So Steve did you buy every available model of uppy downy post to come to your decision then? What you are suggesting is that rather than pick one adjustable seatpost based on a collection of user reviews, magazine reviews and my own armchair opinion on how good the design is, I just buy all of the seatposts on the market and verify which is best through use? Is this how you decide on all your purchases then?
I can only assume steve you believe bikerumor pics are photoshopped? Or the post was deliberately damaged and its a conspiracy? Feel free to continue to pursue purchase justification in the face of contrary evidence, and report back in a couple of months with an update on how your post is going.
How many hours/drop cycles have you put yours through so far?
And to answer another Q, I went from "infinite" (Joplin) to 3 position (GD Multi) and didnt miss the infinite as the middle position is the one I use (as another poster said) for techy stuff, gentle inclines etc where it perfects my position. A two position (fully up/down) would lose a lot of the benefit and useability.
As someone suggested earlier, we need a spesh command blacklite post with cable routing of the kronolog.. 😀