[Closed] Jones Pron

diamond with a uni crown is a lovely bike

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big blue ltd editon fat front version

or a space frame-just the best riding rigid bike ever, by a country mile

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Hmmmm too much metal for my liking.

Bet hey ride nice though.

Looks like a cheap hardtail to me. Niiiice components :/

need so Ti jones for true pron, the steel versions are like cheap granny grumble mag compared to a more classy Ti version which is at least Razzle quality. 😆

Wish you hadn't done that.

http://www.dirtragmag.com/reviews/review-jones-diamond-frame-and-two-forks

taz what size fat 26 (rim/tyre/model) do you reckon would fit in the front of standard 100mm front truss forks to match 29er (2.25" tyre) rear?

from personal experience having played with jones steel and ti truss and steel Unicrown forks, the truss is better.

in fact couldn't believe how much better the steel space frame is over the diamond...and that's a fantastic frame to start with.

stoner, you'd be better off using the new surly rabbit hole rim 29er x 50mm with something like a knard 3" 29er tyre although the vertical clearance would be tight. A 2.5 wtb on a 50mm rim would fill out nicely and run at low pressures. I had a 2.55 dissent on a 42mm rim at 8 psi and it was lovely in those Ti truss that you have.

I currently have 2.4 RR on Salsa Gordo 35mm.

I wonder if the knard would go on 35mm? 😉

Here's a brace of Jones' and my lowly Soulcraft skulking in the huff at the back, one belongs to Biff, the other two belong to Jeff, one to ride and the other one is the spare bike he brought over for SSWC2007 at Aviemore.

We went out riding at Kirroughtree and Drumlanrig a few days before heading up to Aviemore for the Telly Savalas Players Club extravaganza that was SSWC2007 and i can confirm that Jeff is an extremely skilful rider who can ride things on that bike that beggars belief and his space frames ride so good i just about cried when i had to give it back to him after a short test ride.

Ahhh...happy days, but thanks to Ben at Kinetics my Soulcraft will be resurrected at some point next year with a new front end on it and S&S couplings.

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ive never seen so many hideous bikes in 1 thread.

Top pic just looks very 90s Halfords to me. Except for the horrible kinked seattube AND kinked seatpost, what's that all about?

At least proper Joneses look mad.

There are those with extensive experience, who prefer the diamond with unicrown over the spaceframe with truss (steel)

[url= http://forums.mtbr.com/9839007-post14.html ]Here's one[/url]

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Never mind all this Jones shit.

That's a loverly Monkey in your pic Tazz.

There are those with extensive experience, who prefer the diamond with unicrown over the spaceframe with truss (steel)

I like the look of the diamond/unicrown myself, very elegant curves, especially on the fork, and it's a bike that looks right to me. Shame that guy didn't give his reasons for his preference. And it would be good to know how the Diamond rides vs other comparable HTs rather than against the Spaceframe/Truss.

I'm currently riding my Swift rigid with a 2.35 Hans Dampf (x2), and I'm seeing no reason at all for suspension for the riding I do (Surrey Hills XC/ST) in the current conditions.

Are the brakes on the top photo cable activated? The Surly Krampus is coming spec'd with BB7s and I'm wondering, economics aside, if there's a performance reason for that.

Hmmm.... Southwest Scotland.....Soulcraft circa sswc2007 that needs rebuilding with some S&S couplings..... Somafunk wouldn't be Kenny by any chance? 🙂

if only he'd do a Ti Diamond frame again! with belt drive, that would be ace

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Stupid question: Is there any reason (apart from heresy) not to run a suspension fork on a spaceframe?

Andy

Jeff would hunt you down and crush you?

thinks the angles and what not would make it unrideable

it is mick .... took me a while to click - hes the chap responsible for introducing a young me to whisky at SSWC - he wont remember as he was smashed.

Rode jeffs bike at SSWC as well - it rode really nicely HOWEVER i couldnt justify selling all my other bikes to own one 😀 But man can he ride.

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The 29" Knard is designed to work best with our 50mm Rabbit Hole rim and Krampus frame, but will also play nicely with rims down to about 35mm. Your frame must have clearance, Clarence.

whoohoo.
Right, who stocks them and how many body parts do they cost?

Stoner - Member
whoohoo.
Right, who stocks them and how many body parts do they cost?

If you get stuck, there's also a few other Surly stockists around.

CTBM site says he's ordered them and waiting for arrival....maybe by Sept 2012 😉

Have added my email for notification.

And much as I like the idea of sideways the shop, it's too far to visit and Tim's site is always so disappointing 🙁

Top pic just looks very 90s Halfords to me. Except for the horrible kinked seattube AND kinked seatpost, what's that all about?

Make sense, puts the saddle back where it would be with a straight tube.

I've been saving up for one of these for a year.
I'll be getting a spaceframe. Is the Ti version worth the extra dosh?
Jeff says the steel spaceframe is vertically stiffer. But it's also two pounds heavier, just the frame.

Stoner - get in line! Charlie Bikemonger for one, poss Tim at Sideways. When i spoke to Surly they also said they had more tyres in the pipeline including something a bit more mud friendly. I'm hoping for something that looks like a Nate personally.

re Krampus

Right, who stocks them and how many body parts do they cost?

speak to CTBM, and there are other threads, seek and you shall find

you can put a deposit on a 'build kit' (=frame forks rims tyres), due by end of the year I believe, or a full build coming in the spring. ish. A healthy four figure sum gets you started.

all I need is a knard tyre.
Assuming it fits in my truss forks ...

I wonder how fat On-One's chunky monkey will be?

The blog bit gives you the dimensions of the knard too if thats any use. Happy to see they say it fits on a P35 even though a certain bike monger told me i need a 50mm.

http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/your_rabbit_hole_looks_knardy

Stoner - I know it's old school, but the phone is always available 🙂
And, in my experience is preferable for dealing with small niche businesses as their knowledge is partly what you're buying.

anyone go for the steel spaceframe over the ti?

I've got a steel diamond with truss. It is difficult to describe the ride - you need to try it for a good while. Direct, comfy, and great with big tyres on wide rims.

mick_r & trail rat : Yeah - i'm outed, tiz me of broken soulcraft and faceplant fame....i should be on commission or at least have an expense account for the good work i've done promoting the scottish whisky industry over the years, i was usually to be found lying on the ground waving a whisky bottle at passers by at various cycling events up and down the country, all that is in the past though.....i'm 5yrs older, 5 years wiser and still a short arse which is good for me as it's not that far to fall.

Soon to be seen lying on the ground at the real ale wobble in Llanwrtyd Wells,

I've got a steel diamond with truss.

How is the truss vs the unicrown, and the diamond vs other steel HTs?

(ta).

Yay Kenny! - good to hear from you again (you were my Sulwath beer collection pixie before the 1st Kirroughtree 10).

We were up at Gelston for a few days over half term - wondered if you were still around (working at Twynholm?). Hoped we'd bump into you on the trails sometime.

I've now built a couple of 29er frames with some Jonesesque geo - must post them up sometime (16" chainstays and slack head angle).

Mick

How is the truss vs the unicrown, and the diamond vs other steel HTs?

I have ridden both, but a long time apart. The truss is definately direct. Tazzy has riiden both recently - perhaps ask him?

Or even better e-mail/'phone Jeff himself - he is always helpful.

ive never seen so many hideous bikes in 1 thread.

Truer words have never been spoken. Those space frames truely are offensive.

Those space frames truely are offensive.

Yes, but you don't have to look at it if you're riding it.

With the H bars are your hands in roughly the same position as they would be with normal bars because they sweep forwards before twisting back? By position i mean distance from saddle as obviously the angle is different.

Allo Mick 🙂 , yeah I remember collecting the beer for you, that was a good 10 @ Kirroughtree, if i remember correctly i partnered up with a girl called Tatjana who was a very decent rider (she did the 1st trans-scotland on her own), dunno exactly where we came in but it was respectable and we had a laugh which is all that matters.

Hows things wi you"s, sorry i missed you but i left the chocolatier job at the cocoa bean co @ twynholm bout 6 weeks ago, I now work a few days a week in a mates bike shop in Castle Douglas, [url= http://www.nextlevelbikes.co.uk/ ]Next Level Bikes[/url] , love the job and i should'a done this years ago, i get to work on nice bikes, service nice bikes, talk bout bikes, drink decent coffee as i took my gaggia into work and we go to the sulwath brewery on a friday night, all the locals are very decent and bring us cakes n' doughnuts etc so it's not really like a job at all. - more a sort of social experiment.

Got a new bike myself, search on here for cove hummer and i'll sure you'll find it, tiz' very nice indeed to ride.

Pop in or call next time your heading up this way and we'll get something organised whether that be a ride on the secret trails or a night drinking beer n' whisky...or perhaps both if time allows 😀 .

Kenny.

And it would be good to know how the Diamond rides vs other comparable HTs rather than against the Spaceframe/Truss.

diamond with unicrown compared against a swift, I prefer the diamond for playing on, the swift for faster duties mainly down to weight and the fact the the swift climbs faster, the jones kicks it's ass on anything else

All of jeffs frames have some freaky voodoo going on with the geometry where they feel super stable and yet really flickable as well. mix of weight distribution, rider position and long fork offset.

All jones are way more fun than any rigid bike should be, and I've ridden a lot!

yes they can look a bit odd, but if I had to sell the fleet of bikes and just have one to ride every day....it would be a jones.

Interesting that the steel space frame is reportedly less prone to twist than the Ti version so for some applications riders prefer it.

thx tazzy

diamond with unicrown compared against a swift, I prefer the diamond for playing on, the swift for faster duties mainly down to weight and the fact the the swift climbs faster, the jones kicks it's ass on anything else

worth noting here is the Diamond + Unicrown is in the order of twice the price of a Swift with fork

Thankfully these Jones bikes are too small for me, saves any dithering/want issues 🙂

worth noting here is the Diamond + Unicrown is in the order of twice the price of a Swift with fork

oh god yeah, jones are mental money. BUT in 20 odd years of mountain biking I've not ridden a bike that has made me smile so much.

also worth noting that a jones - singular comparison is not really fair as the jones is very different design and geometry over the swift which is a lovely bike. There aren't really any other fully rigid bikes that will take direct jones comparison unless you start looking at custom things like wolf hounds and black cat etc....

Gotama how tall are you? you can find the older Jeff built Ti versions now and then built for very tall chaps above the normal "one size fits most" build

Smidge over 6ft 3 but with a 33 and a bit inseam so all upper body hence why the 23 inch is prob way too small. Didn't realise he used to make a bigger one although this realisation is not helping 😛

To be honest there is a By:stickel on mtbr someone had made that has my fancy at the moment in the expensive end. Frame built around a rigid fat front, 68.5 degree headangle etc. Looks superb. Anyway, i digress....so much to spend money on.

Smidge over 6ft 3 but with a 33 and a bit inseam so all upper body hence why the 23 inch is prob way too small.

TRY ONE

my blue Diamond is now ridden by a mate who's 6ft 4 and got monkey boy arms and shoulders, he rides with 100mm stem and 410 tompson layback and bloomin loves it.

Interesting. This is not a good development. *Goes off to look at dealers down south*

tazzy, would you rate the ti spaceframe significantly above the steel one?

Hi Kenny

Good to hear you are still in the world of bikes - the new job and associated corporate activity sounds fun 🙂 We were only up for a few days so spent it on the trails rather than in CD.

2006 / 2007 was probably my most fun bike time ever.

Keep an eye on the forum for when I get my arse into gear with pics of the latest 29er. There is a bit of the mk1 in the attached thread - all this Jones stuff is just too mainstream 😉
http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/new-bike-build-with-a-difference/page/2

Drop me a mail sometime ironworksframesATgmail.com

Mick

What an awful looking bike

fixed 😀

Sstu offered me a go of his ti spaceframe with truss fork at sswc in 07 I had to decline as I was scared I'd want to buy one and notbe able to afford one , in the end I had a go of Jackies swift and bought one of those lol

I'd love a spaceframe with truss and rohloff , I've got a rohloff so its a start 😉

By the way Mick great work on the above link 😉

it's brilliant that there's a totally unrelated chat between a couple of mates going on here ... 😀

I'd love a spaceframe with truss and rohloff

You should be marched out and shot for putting a Hoff on a Jones. 😛

Here's a Ti one i found hanging from a tree in our local woods. 😉

I'd sell any of my other bikes before this.
Odd looking but just so much fun.

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tazzy, would you rate the ti spaceframe significantly above the steel one?

haven't played on ti for sufficient time to make an assessment. Funnily enough I may be letting a ti Jones Owner play on my steel version so will be interesting to see what they think.

things I've seen on other forums indicate that it's less flexy/twisty, but still has space frame compliance so more forgiving than a diamond not quite as smooth as a Ti and more suited to big fat aggro riders that can make the Ti get a bit noodly*

*all based on what some blokes have said in other forums and does not represent the views of a taz.....which is a good thing....i mainly think about boobies....they make me smile

😉 nice bike , the Hoff is great wish I'd got one years ago mate

You should be marched out and shot for putting a Hoff on a Jones.

: ) there's a guy on mtbr who cut n shut the rear end of his ti SF to use a rolhoff and a belt. Scary amount of commitment to his wish-list spec. Jones bikes do attract some wierdos..

I hated mine Mick.
Sold it after the third bearing change...

Tazz.
I'd be interested in a go on your steel version to see if/how it felt different.

Jones bikes do attract some wierdos..

You've met tazz then. 😆

Jones bikes do attract some wierdos..

god damn attention monkeys, you only do it to be niche and have a clique. I mean FFS who would Actually want to own or be seen with the bastard offspring of a leg calliper and a coat hanger factory!

just thought I'd get in with this before the usual suspects turn up 😆

Stu I'll drop over for a ride chap and we can have a jones swap fest. You'll notice that she's a big lass though. 26lb of fat fronted steel SS

p.s. i'll get you for that comment about weirdos! 😀

Steel diamond + truss vs ti SF = I could distill my usual waffle on this down to big-BMX riot time vs silk-supple smooth but still stiff enough love it long time.

Sounds good tazz.
Will your stalker be following you?

jamesO - well done chap!

Stu- which stalker is that then? the one that hates all singlespeederists and 29erists 'cos it's all we ever talk about and yet he has to pop up every time on specific threads about the subject and tell us how much we offend him.....

or the one that keeps emailing me for sexy time and then abuses me?

Actually, I've not met any other Jones riders apart from some hustler that told me to try one, I might like it.. Then I had to stop drinking, smoking, gambling, the lot, just to afford the habit. Now I have to ride alone in shame, puffing air and grinning like a casualty at fantazia.

Tazz.

Are they not the same person then. 😆

Stu you're ti sf must be well heavy it's proper buggered that tree!

Pop.

I'm employed by the local foresters to help with clearing bits of woodland and after buying the bike can't afford a chainsaw.

Has the misus tried the superlight yet?

Not yet mate.

She keeps spending all her money on haircuts and nail varnish. 😉

pop are you still up for getting a Ti then 😀

On the list but must admit I'm still loving the very traditional bike shaped pegasus 😉

This is my demo bike.

Having this bike handy is a real game changer, this is magic, very special.

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AlexSimon - Member
Stoner - I know it's old school, but the phone is always available
And, in my experience is preferable for dealing with small niche businesses as their knowledge is partly what you're buying.

I know what youre saying Alex, but I dont want to start some kind of bromance, I just want to buy a (freakishly sized) tyre! Anyway, I cant afford to have an affair with Charlie or Tim. Them two are high maintenance you know.

A geared Jones just looks wrong 😕

A geared Jones just looks wrong

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have a singlespeed fat fronted one (they're the truth man) and a pink thing 😯

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bonus points for naming the trails.....and then telling me that i need gears and suspension 😆

Damnit the black steel SF looks too good. 'What would HR Giger ride?'

I know I know!!!