[Closed] Jones Plus

They're BIG, so are you.
Be ready to smile ALOT.
There's a demo 25" about. Best contact Biff for a demo ride.
Tim

Nigel, come and borrow mine for a day or two. it is a 25.

Thanks Ton. The UK 25" Plus test bike is with the 'Monger.
I have the 24" (although a dealer might ask for it for a loan).
You (anyone) can always email me for info/options.

Look big. Ride tight.

Ride loose, wink a lot 😈

At last you're starting to see sense.
I think it'd suit you perfectly.

No more blasting rock gardens and smashing drops for you then! 🙂

Can the bike be ridden with non loop bars?

[s]No as the Jones fashion police will come round and beat you to death with a wet kipper.[/s]
Nige, it's just a bike set it up however you want.

@Ton when you have a moment might you mind measuring the standover (for me this is the highest part of the TT with the bike vertical) of the 25''

@biff - could I ask the same for the 24''

Im presuming both bikes are running 29 plus wheels and tyres.

Am I correct in thinking that the wheel set up needed is 142x12 and 150x15 I'm presuming if so running my Rolloff would be out of the question.

Oh and finally ..... what would be the largest front chainring that could be run with adequate clearance?

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^ Was hoping there was a plus sized spaceframe, but it doesn't look like it

The one above, although having plus on the frame is a 'small' spaceframe with more standover for titchy folk

ton - Member
Nigel, come and borrow mine for a day or two. it is a 25.

Thanks for the offer ton, but I've just ordered one now on your say so 😉

oh no.......i was only joking, mine is rubbish...... 😆

charlie did me proud with my build. 8)

letmetalktomark – good non de stw :O)

My 24" test is back to me tomorrow. Can measure then but
lots of info (inc rider sizing suggestions) at http://www.jonesbikes.com/jones-plus-148-ta/ and I think Rohloff do a SPEEDHUB 500/14s as a 148mm hub but not sure will work with Plus – I best check.

So the Plus SF is not the long wheel base version of the original SF?

No, they currently do:

Ti Spaceframe
Steel Spaceframe
Ti Diamond
Steel Diamond
(All original Jeff Jones geometry and in one size with 23" ETT).

Plus Diamond 25"
Plus Diamond 24"
Plus Spaceframe 23"
(All in steel and with Jeff Jones Plus geometry but in 23", 24", 25" ETT sizes).

I believe the original 23" and Plus 24" are the same reach due to the Plus having a slacker seat angle (which increases ETT).

I love my 25. I usually ride a smalker size than i should because other big size bkies tend to handle like gates. This bike does not. With 3.0" tires it doesnt need the extra give the Spaceframe offers.

Double post

So the Plus spaceframe can take a 29x3 in the rear and the stand over height is reduced a little but the wheelbase remains the same as the steel SF? The Plus Diamond is indeed a different bike altogether with longer wheel base etc?

Good feedback, thanks Martinh

My 25 arrives Tuesday 🙂

So the Plus spaceframe can take a 29x3 in the rear and the stand over height is reduced a little but the wheelbase remains the same as the steel SF? The Plus Diamond is indeed a different bike altogether with longer wheel base etc?

No, the Plus bikes are completely different geometry to the original Jones - slacker head angle, more fork offset, more BB drop, slacker seat angle, longer chainstays. And they come in three sizes, with the smallest size having a spaceframe to give more standover clearance.

^ he's on about the SF 'Plus' I pictured above (which is not really a plus)

I'd be interested in having a quick spin round on it when it arrives Nige. 🙂

Sure Stu

^ he's on about the SF 'Plus' I pictured above (which is not really a plus)

I'm confused now. Why is the Spaceframe Plus not really a Plus? I thought it was just the smallest size of the Plus bikes?

Yes I'm confused too. I have a SF with truss. I'm going to make the jump to the Plus. I'd like to run a 29 3" rear tyre. If there was a SF Plus on offer I'd plump for that given I enjoy my current bike so much. So why is the SF Plus not really a Plus? Can anyone compare a steel SF to the diamond Plus?

The SF 'Plus' just has more standover (I believe). It is still 23" ETT and traditional JJ short wheelbase geo etc

It's only those 'new' Plus bikes that are the longer rear and shorter reach etc

It is still 23" ETT and traditional JJ short wheelbase geo etc

It's only those 'new' Plus bikes that are the longer rear and shorter reach etc

You're all wrong 😉 - the Spaceframe Plus has the same front end as the normal diamond plus, but with shorter chainstays, however the it's chainstays are still longer than the Jones 29er frames (Spaceframe, or diamond).

Well that's interesting, just done some digging on the Jones website (horrible user unfriendly website!!!) and it looks like between the prototype and production, the Spaceframe Plus chainstays have grown! They are now the same as the Diamond Plus.

Really - 19"?

Yup 19” - according to the website. I definitely remember reading on his blog some time ago, and posted here about, the Spaecframe Plus having chainstays between the 29er and plus in length - Jeff has clearly decided against it though!

Nige I think you may be confusing the + bit to mean longer toptube not ability to use 29+ wheels.
The small Spaceframe + can still run 29+ wheels but still has a 23" toptube.
Hence it's still a 29+ bike.
29+ wheels has nowt to do with toptube length.

You may also be confused by chainstay length not being anything that will make a difference to [b]your[/b] riding.

So was I right all along? 😉

Exactly chief.
You might ride headfirst of a drop in the FoD but you sound like you understand geo. 😉

Priorities.

Not understanding geo might be safer than riding headfirst and all that. 😛

The SF+ is being described as a small. This is only in regards to it being 23" top tube as opposed to the 24/25 of the diamond? It is not small for the more vertically challenged rider?the 29er has a 23 top tube is a great fit for me at 5'11. I'm guessing that using a layback on the SF+ it would fit me. Go for a diamond + and I would need an inline or dropper. Could really do with more info on the JJ website.

You really can just call Jeff up - he'll be more that happy to discuss his bikes with you.

* Warning*
He will talk you to death about anything bike related. 😀

Yeah - it's almost impossible to get a word in!! 😉

I really fancy a Spaceframe Plus, not sure I like the idea of lugging that extra weight around though.

Oh go on, you'll barely notice the weight! My bikes are about 3.5lbs apart and I only notice when lifting them over a gate or onto the car. The one with the quickest tyres always climbs fastest, whether or not it's the lighter bike.

I'm not suggesting this because I want to try one of course (it'll be too small for me - probably...) 😉

I know my plus is heavier than my Spaceframe but I put most of it down to the dropper and gears. Oh, and the huge tyres. Its not the XC whippet the Ti Spaceframe frame is but its more comfortable and more planted.

When you get to my age, every pound counts 😉

Chief - try Martinh's Plus next time he shows up on a Thursday, talking of which, I aim to make it next Thursday

my 25 is anything but heavy.

Chief has it... the Plus frames are 23 / 24 / 25"

The 23" is a Spaceframe as this offers excellent standover clearance. Its geometry is the [i]same[/i] as the 24 and 25 Diamond Pluses. When I say same this is shared 'Jones Geometry' for the PLUS models, just as the 29 frames have their own version of 'Jones Geometry'. The sizing of the two models (Plus and 29) is such that a 24" Plus is the correct size for a rider who would ride a 23" 29 Jones.

That makes things a little clearer? Jeff will then talk about stem length and straight/layback seatposts and seat angles and rake and trail and rim width and tyres and tyre pressure and much more. Passion.

[b]In other news[/b] – Jeff spoke to Rohloff man at Interbike. They are making a 148mm thru-axle Speedhub and will work with Jeff to create the precise bolts (etc) needed for it to fit a Jones Plus.

Errors and omissions excepted. Any (other) questions, do ask.

Best (not) in Show... http://www.bikepacking.com/plog/2016-interbike-awards/

I see - so the 23 Plus is really quite a small frame (equivalent to another size or so down in a 29 version)

Does the 23 also have CS's at 19" then?

Wouldn't mind seeing a pic of that bike if so

Yes the Spaceframe plus has identical geo as the Plus except the 23" top tube - as has been stated at least 3 times above 😉

Ok, excuse my naivety but I just enjoy riding my SF 29 everyday or as much as possible, I've never been caught up in a numbers game on geometry before. All I know is I want a Plus for added comfort on multiple day rides. Logically to me the SF Plus would be more comfortable as this is the case between the 29 Diamond and Truss. The SF Plus is 23" same as the 29er. There is obviously geometry considerations too, but will it fit me at 5'11"?
Or is the Plus 24 more suitable and the 23 SF Plus best left to smaller riders? Guess I'm asking who is the SF Plus aimed at? I'm not bothered about clearance for frame bags etc as I use a trailer,so no basis there to swing me one way or the other.

Lotto – I'd have thought the 24" Plus will be the better version for 5' 11" you (wanting comfort on multiple day rides). I've a 24" test bike here – question is where are you? Test rides are everything. Numbers seldom add up to much :O)

23" Plus Spaceframe test bike is on the 'build list' – soon.

Numbers seldom add up to much :O)

So how many organs would I have to sell for that Diamond Plus?

Just need to get an idea cause it's a special birthday next year and I can start a fund now and work out what I need to sell...........

Thanks biff. Where are you? I'm in Scotland. I don't mind too much of a journey if I was guaranteed a test ride. I'd probably wait until the SF Plus is built up and try the two back to back along with my SF 29 in there too for added comparison.

lotto – email me directly if you like. I have a plan :O)
birdage – frame and (Truss) forks, EBB, thru-axles (currently) £1400

1400 quid for a frame and forks.......... 😯

Yeah, buy a Stooge, they're a grand less and as good 😉

my 😯 should have been a 😉 obviously.

Biff- I would definitely like to testride a Spaceframe plus!

Err I meant the Diamond Ti Plus in that link. Should have been clearer. Got a steel Diamond that I'm very happy with. Have a feeling I'll have to settle for some carbon Jones bars.

Matt - that special birthday would make you SUPER old would it not :O)

While I can still get the monkey glands it doesn't matter...

Jeff's ti plus is sweet-just pricey as hell-shame really.

How much is the ti plus?

£4500 for frame and forks iirc.

Kermit got hips. Sexy!
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£4500 - that's for the non spaceframe

What size is your plus kimbur?

23" plus spaceframe
It's going to be the demo bike

Hiptastic

Ti Diamond Plus with Ti Truss fork – UK RRP £4308 (25" might well be out of stock)

OK, thanks Biff - virtually the same as the spaceframe then?

Here's my 25 Boost Plus
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crap..........like mine 😉

oh, and looks low at front.......... 😉

🙂

What bars you running on yours ton?

I'm going to try some lower ones (never thought I would want to lower the front of any bike)

jones bars mate. they suit my fused right wrist. also i like the bars high. the upright position the bike puts you in feels just perfect from the off for me.

Cheers

Yeah, just re-looked at your pic and you've got a fair rise on your stem

I might just carry on for a bit with my 800 wide Stooge risers then. Front did feel high to start with on the first tride last night, but forgot it until today's quick spin round

the green is ace by the way...love it

I would have gone for blue, but that's not an option

The green is nice and I think I prefer it now. So much better than on the online pics on Jeff's site etc

It's very nice in the flesh.
I've got an older green Diamond and much prefer the Kermit version.

http://www.jonesbikes.com/jones-plus-148-ta/ /p>

and

http://www.jonesbikes.com/jones-23-spaceframe-plus-148-ta/