[Closed] It’s here ! EXT fork!

i expected it to b triple crown for some reason

I expected it to be nearer £2k

I expected it to be nearer £2k

If you send £2k to my PP account, I'll send you a set of EXT forks. Neither of us will be disappointed 😁

Neither of us will be disappointed

If you think I have £2k then you are going to be 😀

Genuine lol at that comeback R_B

Same here. How messed up are bike prices that I expected it to be even more expensive than that?

Pinkbike have a very positive initial review...

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-exts-new-era-fork-2021.html

Given the weight, it'd be interesting to see it compared with some coil forks.

And - is the GBP price higher than the USD price because tax is not applied yet in USD? Still seems a bit off though considering it's further from Italy to the US than here.

And – is the GBP price higher than the USD price because tax is not applied yet in USD?

Very likely, there will be sales tax to add in the US so will be more expensive than shown but... Where are you seeing the USD price? £1590 gbp here, €1480 euros on pink bike. (very roughly the same assuming 1.12eur:1gbp +20% vat.)

Can anyone explain why is there a £250 difference between the Euro price on the other bike website (converted to GBP - €1480 = £1340) and the mojo price (£1590)?

Where are you seeing the USD price?

Ah, my mistake, looked at the price on PB without my glasses on.

Still cleetonator's question is very valid.

Yep, it's VAT.

The euro price will be for all euro zone countries so not including national taxes.

The euro price will be for all euro zone countries so not including national taxes.

I thought VAT was applied in the originating country, within the EU?

heavy and expensive - the tiny negative coil is interesting but I wonder how much effect it has past the sag point.

I thought VAT was applied in the originating country, within the EU?

VAT is a point of sale tax. There are various agreements for reciprocal payments etc in place so you're half right. Anything you buy from within the EU is VATed at source but only in so much that if you buy from a German retailer its German VATed regardless of destination [exceptions apply].

Assuming that the forks will be resold throughout Europe, not direct sale from ext in Italy only, they'll be subject to territorial variation in VAT depending on where the reseller is based but will retain the same base EUR srp.

[of course the other half of the answer is its likely to be much more expensive to bring them into the UK by the time they're available, even if that's only an admin cost]

FYI, mid September availability/delivery, confirmed by CP at Mojo.

Did he mention the price discrepancy at all?

Not that I can afford one either way.

I've just read the press release on Vital and it suggests its €1480+VAT, which is an odd way of advertising a European price to consumers. It seems PB forgot to add the +VAT bit to their article.

Has anyone noticed that "OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA" has moved around the page as if they can't edit it out?

Mildly amusing if you're alone in an empty office so thanks for that.

I’m sure they will be adorning many a Geometron being wobbled around the woods 😆

Damn, I was so pleased with my bike yesterday and now I need to come up with fifteen hundred quid

Hob Nob

I’m sure they will be adorning many a Geometron being wobbled around the woods 😆

Yeah, but think how smoothly we'll be able to wobble with this 🙂

I’m sure they will be adorning many a Geometron being wobbled around the woods 😆

Local place last night was awash with whoppers, which included a couple of Yeti's dripping with Fox. Its not just unique to Geometron's!

lowers look like X-fusion trace's

Remember when a few years ago Rockshox stopped making dual air and uturn because they were too confusing? I wonder what proportion of people buying these will be able to set them up decently.

(thinking out loud). I like the idea of a coil negative spring, but I wonder how it deals with different air pressures- does it work as well on skinny weaklings like me and for the fat accountants that are the target market?

Isn't this fork a negative air with a spring assist, working against a two stage positive air set up like the manitou IRT or the RUNT cartridges?

I wonder how it deals with different air pressures- does it work as well on skinny weaklings like me and for the fat accountants that are the target market?

I'd imagine it'll be sold with a custom tune to suit whoever buys it just like the shocks do.

Remember when a few years ago Rockshox stopped making dual air and uturn because they were too confusing? I wonder what proportion of people buying these will be able to set them up decently.

At that price, I'd want Chris Porter's personal number in the box!

Looks too plain and doesn’t scream I paid £1600 !!!!

Target market fail 😉

It’s pretty simple to set up if you RTFM.

Manitou were first with the second positive air chamber. They used to make dual coil/air forks as well MARS spring IIRC

My Marz have a positive coil spring and a second positive air spring (and a negative coil spring). I wonder if the “coil” version of the EXT forks will take the same route?

At that price, I’d want Chris Porter’s personal number in the box!

When i bought a shock off them it had an initial setup/revalve and a spring and ball valve removed for me to try, then a couple of spring swaps and another revalve.
All for no extra charge.
They also answer the phone/email back with helpfull advice and Paul gave me his personal number as he'd been helping me set it up.
Oh and they gave me a discount without asking too.

It’sa shame singletrack have not been able to give a first ride review like other sites have

Looks too plain and doesn’t scream I paid £1600 !!!!

I’m sure someone could knock off up some slick, shouty stickers.

As is typical with mountain bike journalism, most "reviews" of this fork are cut and paste ad copy.

Looking at the pic of the air spring, I can't quite figure out how that coil spring is supposed to work.

From what I can tell, the coil spring on the air side allows for small movement at the top of the travel before initiating movement in the air spring.
This means that the top of the fork is super supple because its essentially a coil fork, with only the stiction of the wiper seals to overcome.
When the travel moves beyond the extent of the small coil spring there's already momentum in the lowers which overcomes the stiction associated with the seals of the main air spring.
There's effectively 3 positive springs in the fork, one activating after the other when a bump is encountered(spring-air-air), and one negative spring (air).

One of the reviews I'd read claimed the coil is there to assist around the sag point. Looking at the image, I don't see how that can be with what looks like a small cartridge spring on the end of the air spring shaft.

From what I can tell, the coil spring on the air side allows for small movement at the top of the travel before initiating movement in the air spring.
This means that the top of the fork is super supple because its essentially a coil fork, with only the stiction of the wiper seals to overcome.
When the travel moves beyond the extent of the small coil spring there’s already momentum in the lowers which overcomes the stiction associated with the seals of the main air spring.

Isn't that the same as my DVO forks?
I seem to remember my manitou SX ti (maybe elastomer+coil) and Mars forks were like this too. Small spring for initial stroke.
Bound to be good, but not sure on twice as good

Yeah, looks a bit like a non adjustable
variant of the OTT stuff that DVO have.
Yes, they're expensive, but the price isn't that far off a Fox 38 factory RRP, is it?
Edit: a little bit, 38 factory is £1299 Inc vat

I think I had some 10+ year old marzocchi all mountain forks with loads of air valves for changing bottom out resistance.

The user manual makes for interesting reading.

Looks too plain and doesn’t scream I paid £1600 !!!!

Target market fail

I'm sure Slik Graphics will be able to sort that out 😜

The user manual makes for interesting reading.

what bit? looks like a normal manual to me.

just what we need - another spring inside a tube!

Coil negative springs used to be on all fox forks until they were 'upgraded' to air many years ago.
So this is either a backwards step or (more likely) does exactly the same thing.

Its not a negative coil spring, the image in the article (and below, hopefully) shows its a negative airspring.
The coil spring acts as the first inch or so of travel, as so far as i can tell.

cleetonator has it right. Whether a new thing or not, I think its a good idea.

The manual only covers setup. Regarding servicing, "Only EXT or authorized Service points can perform these operations.". If the service manual and spares aren't available to the general public that's going to significantly increase the cost of ownership, and downtime. I wonder if the same applies to the rear shocks.

Regarding servicing, “Only EXT or authorized Service points can perform these operations.”. If the service manual and spares aren’t available to the general public that’s going to significantly increase the cost of ownership. I wonder if the the same with the rear shocks.

EXT Storia service manual is available;

Is it a standard 1 1/8 steerer into a big crown with integrated 1 1/2 crown race seat?

My Storia shock cost less to service and was turned around quicker than if I'd have sent one of my fox shocks back to Fox.

My Storia shock cost less to service and was turned around quicker than if I’d have sent one of my fox shocks back to Fox.

How much for a Storia service?

Think it was £90

The steerer tube is narrower than 1.5 and is pressed into an extension that fills out the diameter to 1.5.

Anyone ridden one yet? Starting to see bikes with them fitted now, wondering if I’ve been a good enough boy this year...