[Closed] Is Strava always like this?

Do you have a sudden desire to go out and win it back??

Do you have a sudden desire to go out and win it back??

He can't hear you, he's getting the bike out the shed.

😆 ^^^

I had a KOM taken off me by the previous KOM holder. The guy did a 12 mile ride, avg speed 15 km/h, then went up to avg 66 km/h on the segment, peaking at 90 km/h on a flat piece of road....

Reported it, got it back

I'm with you on this bigbloke. I resisted it until a few weeks back and when I registered there was over 4 years worth of stuff on my Garmin. Now I get emails daily saying so and so has beaten your KOM on stuff I've never heard of! Careful though it's addictive! 🙂

It's the most unsocial form of 'social' media IMHO 🙂 Temptation is there to just rocket off on group rides - sort of misses the point of getting out on bikes together. Then again - I can see the attraction for the competitive ones amongst us.

😆

Just realised looking at his ride he'd gone out tonight, rode the segment (under 4 mins it takes) 3 times until he'd beaten my time, so basically took 45 mins to complete the ride from home ( less than 1 mile away) to segment then mini loop up n down. Jesus christ thats a bit OTT.

kerv - Member
Now I get emails daily saying so and so has beaten your KOM

all the road segments near me worth riding have some incredible times on - they've all been ridden by what look to be racers and well beyond what I could acheive so I look at my own times on any given segment and track my progress.

Does seem a bit obsessive but each to there own , Im not fit enough to get a KOM in East Lothian as there as some fit roadies out there. I like strava just to see the mileage and ascent I can do , Its bloody annoying though when your phone hasn't tracked a ride or picked up a segment. I think Endomondo must have taken a bit hit in usage since strava started . Got 3 Personal bests tonight but they are still miles away from really fast times , I'd say I cycle more and probably faster if there issomething to measure It against.

I check which way the wind is blowing then go out and try to ride segments where I know I will have a tail wind . Obsessive ? Certainly not .

Are users that devastated when they lose a KOM that they do anything to get it back?

I think it's the equivalent of pissing on trees to mark the boundaries of your territory.

Lost two KOM's last week, and one is 400 miles away near where we use to live - bu99er!

I suggest planning a nice ride which includes the segment, beating his time and then naming the ride "Gentle Sunday Bimble" or similar and listing the bike as "Shopping BSO".

Someone stole my KoM on Screaming Mile in the Peak District last week, I think the guy who runs JRA. I won't be doing any 3 mile rides just to fit it in but I do ride it almost every weekend as it's a simple ride from my house and I'd love to get it back, but it presents another problem. I'm not sure my skill level will let me get there safely.

I had a KOM taken off me by the previous KOM holder. The guy did a 12 mile ride, avg speed 15 km/h, then went up to avg 66 km/h on the segment, peaking at 90 km/h on a flat piece of road....

Reported it, got it back

Why would you report someone riding a segment? so what if he only did that one, his choice how he rides it. Reporting someone for being faster, thats pretty sad.

Just realised looking at his ride he'd gone out tonight, rode the segment (under 4 mins it takes) 3 times until he'd beaten my time, so basically took 45 mins to complete the ride from home ( less than 1 mile away) to segment then mini loop up n down. Jesus christ thats a bit OTT.

Sounds like a great interval session to me.

just imagine all those KOM seekers lining up in front of Hurricane Isaac 😉

Reporting someone for being faster, thats pretty sad

not if their speed is impossibly fast

well obviously i dont know the segment but ive seen some local roadies clock that sort of speed on the flat in a sprint.

getonyourbike "Have you heard of hyperbole?..." is that the name of a segment you've stolen off me?

Just realised looking at his ride he'd gone out tonight, rode the segment (under 4 mins it takes) 3 times until he'd beaten my time, so basically took 45 mins to complete the ride from home ( less than 1 mile away) to segment then mini loop up n down. Jesus christ thats a bit OTT.

If it's motivation to get out on the bike I don't really see the problem. I'm not sure people who use an app to compete on bike segments with other strangers can really start calling other people sad for getting into it. 😉

well obviously i dont know the segment but ive seen some local roadies clock that sort of speed on the flat in a sprint.

90km/h - really?

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Are users that devastated when they lose a KOM that they do anything to get it back?

Reported it, got it back

I would say so.

Eh?. I never said anyone was sad?

Eh?. I never said anyone was sad?

You didn't use the word, but I'm not sure what else you were trying to imply by saying this....

Bit obsessive in my opinion.

Jesus christ thats a bit OTT.

The way I see it, Strava is Xbox Live (or whatever it's called) for fit people. The fact that someone has stolen your KoM gives you a huge incentive to go out and ride it again, and that in itself makes it a good thing.

As for the tailwind thing - I was seconds away from repeating part of my commute tonight for that very reason...

kerv - Member
getonyourbike "Have you heard of hyperbole?..." is that the name of a segment you've stolen off me?

[i]Strava is Xbox Live (or whatever it's called) for fit people.[/i]

much much more easy to cheat on strava than xbox live.

I lost 2 tonight 😥 Not to worry I have plenty more 😆

You didn't use the word, but I'm not sure what else you were trying to imply by saying this....

Ah i see what you mean. I meant the more obsessive side of it not sad.

I like the incentive it gives to do better, its making me ride a bit harder. I am not super fit or racey etc i just like to compare and try and improve along the way, but its not the most important thing to me and my riding.

*Bigbloke.....goes off to carb load and shave the tread down to minimum on tyres for less rolling resistance and weight saving 😉

well obviously i dont know the segment but ive seen some local roadies clock that sort of speed on the flat in a sprint.

No you haven't, that was a particularly wild dream you had

Strava is...for fit people.

This is definitely not the case. I think most people that use it are biffters given that folk on here, me included, can be KoMs. If I am beating everyone that has been up a particular hill with strava then there are some slow people using it.

getonyourbike getoveryourself, I know what it means. Google "humour," that was my attempt at it.

Most of the segments are so short they're laughable, I set up an 11.5 mile segment on the Quantocks to give people something to aim at. 😛

Dear God almighty, fact is Strava is shite.
The peep show hand shandy of cycling.
Hmm now how did we track our progression before Strava

I set up an 11.7 mile segment in hell to really give people something to aim for.

I set up an 11.7 mile segment in hell to really give people something to aim for.

That's almost like a 10 mile time trial

My climbing fitness has gone through the roof since giving in to Strava, especially as I spend a lot of time in Devon. I do exactly what the OP nemesis does and go straight out for another go. One local whippet took 13 seconds off a climb of mine and I have near destroyed myself in an attempt to get it back. Tonight, I caught two ferries in order to take a single segment. It's utter genius and plays to the competitive nature of many cyclists. My fave activity is nailing MTB climbs on the cx bike..oh the howls of protest.

[url= http://www.phased.co.uk/index.php/blatherings/119-writing-the-book-week-eighty.html ]Some Strava waffle[/url]

I have a 19 mile loop - both directions

I was KoM on both becasue nobody else rides them. Now some ****er's had me by seven minutes on one direction. Fire up the vespa ! 😆

This is definitely not the case. I think most people that use it are biffters given that folk on here, me included, can be KoMs. If I am beating everyone that has been up a particular hill with strava then there are some slow people using it.

However, generally speaking we are a fit lot in that we ride bikes, or at least we talk about riding bikes, so we're better than the average...

I went round Innerleithen a coupe of weeks back and a guy overtook me going hell for leather. I'm not too slow, but this guy was in another league. Got home and uploaded to STRAVA and he'd set KOM's on pretty much every climb and decent on the red, and was a couple of minutes off the overall time! Some people are just fast and it's depressing!

I went out to get one back. Was great to have some motivation to get an hours ride in even when the weather was pants. Nothing wrong with short segments unless you think that usain bolt is a bit lazy. Also many of my short segments are Dh or techncal trails. .bo point in making them longer as they end. Been great for keeping my eye in on dh before racing again.

Just realised looking at his ride he'd gone out tonight, rode the segment (under 4 mins it takes) 3 times until he'd beaten my time, so basically took 45 mins to complete the ride from home ( less than 1 mile away) to segment then mini loop up n down. Jesus christ thats a bit OTT.

However he's probably munch fitter now.

Strava is a great training tool. Really good interval training and it really livens a boring commute up.

There comes a point though where you have to question what you're getting up to. I held pretty much all the KOM's on my commute. Both ways. Then people started turning up and started taking them off me, by big amounts.

Now all of my commutes times are set on a cyclocross bike with 35mm knobbly tyres and a big bag on my back, so is doing the commute on a road bike just to get them back ethical or sane? Of course not. Did I do it? Of course I did.

the sad thing is this has placed all the KOM's way outside what I can do on my commuter, so I don't even bother now.

I think strava will pretty much die unless they start running monthly resets or something - eventually the KoM's will be fixed after the ded fast riders go out on windy days and the rest of us will similarly have set best times with folloing winds

They can keep an all-time list too if they want but I think they need to keep it, err, real - maaaan !

...Temptation is there to just rocket off on group rides - sort of misses the point of getting out on bikes together. Then again - I can see the attraction for the competitive ones amongst us.

I think there should be a "Peleton" type function or something similar for groups; say a group of 3 or more should finish a segment within ~2 seconds (Max) of each other and the leader board is only open to groups of 3 or more, gets people riding together and forces them to work together if they want that leader board position...

HUMBLE PIE ALERT.......

Whilst fannying around on Strava settings/history/rides etc (new user still)...

Looked into his previous rides a few days ago and clicked laps......it seems he rode that particular section 9 times in a small loop. Obviously uses it as interval training. 😳

I am an arse. 😳 😳

Someone round these parts set a segment up on a major arterial route into town just recently. I held the Top spot without knowing it for a week. Whoever it was went out on Sunday and lopped a minute off my time which was fine but did leave me with the thought that during the week there are buses, sets of lights and a roundabout across another main route which it's a bit suicidal to race against. I have flagged the segment as unsafe it's a downhill on the road and not a KOM those should only go uphill.

KOM those should only go uphill.

Oh grow up KOM is their term for fastest on segment. They can be up down or sideways. Fine to report for dangerous but just because you don't like the idea of it going downhill......

Having been a member of local road bike racing clubs it is quite interesting looking at who holds local KOMs - the nearest one to me is held by somebody I know it's not even worth bothering trying to beat! The only one I've actually logged a time on though I did when towing a kiddy trailer - I've also done it on a unicycle, but not uploaded that one to Strava. The thing is, I might not have got the KOM, but even on the uni I beat some other people - haven't really used it much, but can you tag your rides to say you were towing a trailer or riding a uni?

yeh, course you can but unless it's towing a trailer [i]with[/i] a unicycle I reckon leave it

but can you tag your rides to say you were towing a trailer or riding a uni?

If you give up because you can't get the KOM then you have missed the main benefit/point you can see your progress and improvement over time. The PR's and Gold/Silver/Bronze for your times is more of interest to me. I have some KOM's but also happy to see that after training I move up the list on other section.

There is no way I will hit KOM's on some stuff round here due to the number of serious lycra bandits that live here. However I can play on the technical stuff and see how I do against the others.

I'm finding it quite depressing, people keep setting up new segments, I don't get notified that I am KOM until I get the email through saying I've just lost it....

So I don't get the satisfaction of achieving a KOM, just the annoyance of losing it 🙁

It does seem that now virtually every road I regularly ride has a segment on so it is almost becoming irrelevant most of the time.

Also my mates follow my rides (as I follow theirs) and I find it difficult to keep myself to zone2 training because it looks so slow. Internet peer pressure - sad isn't it?!

Dear God almighty, fact is Strava is shite.
The peep show hand shandy of cycling.
Hmm now how did we track our progression before Strava

Calm down grandad, it's just the youngun's having a bit of fun.

<peeks past the curtains>

'a wiz right bout at saddle'

Oh grow up

Not much chance of that I ride bikes for fun, and untwist that thong. If you're going to purloin a road racing title then use it as intended. The spotty French jumper is for uphill heroics, they don't award a jumper for riding downhill at ludicrous speeds.

I think strava will pretty much die unless they start running monthly resets or something - eventually the KoM's will be fixed after the ded fast riders go out on windy days and the rest of us will similarly have set best times with folloing winds

They can keep an all-time list too if they want but I think they need to keep it, err, real - maaaan !

Good point. Maybe a better idea would be to roll out more categorisations. I know they have age etc for premium subscribers, but I don't think that is enough. One idea is to have rankings that work like leagues, with each league having a limited number of spaces. That way, though getting KOM is impossible, it would still be an achievement getting 'promoted'into the top league or whatever thus maintaining the incentive and allowing people to compete with those of their ability. If numbers were limited then it would be entirely self regulating. Suppose this would only work on popular segments however...

they don't award a jumper for riding downhill at ludicrous speeds.

I check which way the wind is blowing then go out and try to ride segments where I know I will have a tail wind . Obsessive ? Certainly not .

You can gain a second on Box Hill Zig Zags by entering from the uphill (Mickleham) direction instead of the downhill (Rykas) direction.

Calm down grandad, it's just the youngun's having a bit of fun.

Poppycock, all this technology just seems to get people wound up.

I set a KOM up the stairs in my house last week...
We had a break in yesterday - nothing stolen, but got an email saying my KOM was beaten.......

DrP

I went for a little pootle in Hyde park last week on those Barclays hire bikes. I recorded the ride with my garmin for a laugh. I rode through at least 6 segments within the park (not around it). 😀

Why would you report someone riding a segment? so what if he only did that one, his choice how he rides it. Reporting someone for being faster, thats pretty sad.

The the segment is flat, followed by a climb, he 'rode' the climb at 60kmh. Before I reported it I checked his other rides, and they were no where near that fast, his 2nd fastest time on the segment was over 2 minutes slower, it's less than a mile long.

what about if everyone using strava was fired into space from a big cannon..?
I think that would improve the format and would help cut down on some of the negative aspects of it..

I tried being fired into orbit from a cannon. You'd be amazed how far down the leaderboard I was - pretty sure some people are wearing skinsuits and pointy hats

😆

To be fair there are some right idiots who set such short segments in random places you often do wonder why they do it, and the ones who set segments with major road junctions in the middle of them!!

Other than that it's mostly good, great little training tool if you use it right.

I did loose three KOM's that I set (took off a guy) to the same guy by a few seconds a month ago, so I went for a proper warm up and Strava'd dem segments and took 50 seconds off the longest (1.7km 5%) climb 🙂

Did loose a longish road one to two guys on the same day with the exact same time & average speed each - slightly suspect if you ask me. But I CBA'd reporting it as if I better my time I know I can get it back.

As for people who hold the big road climbs, there's a few pros round here from a certain fancy clothing & electrical company sponsored team- nuff said

The really short segments are a waste of time, has more to do with the gps / phone people are using rather than the actual speed they get. Over a longer segment it balances out a bit - the innacuracy is still there but the time benefit is going to be less.

I don't even have a cycle computer on my bike. I had one but then the battery ran out so I took it off. I had a gps type thing that wasn't Strava on my phone but it did my head in and it would rinse batteries and run out on rides over 60 mile so I took it off.

Basically I can understand the appeal of Strava etc but I don't personally get excited by it myself.

Did loose a longish road one to two guys on the same day with the exact same time & average speed each - slightly suspect if you ask me. But I CBA'd reporting it as if I better my time I know I can get it back.

sounds like a few roadies thru and off, nothing wrong with that. There are a few segments i know i haven't a hope on because they are on the local chaingang route.

Question,

Does anyone know how Strava works out times for segments? i am sixth on a segment that i didn't follow exactly. my av is 19.9mph for 40mins, but the route i took is a little longer. So was my speed actually 19.9mph, or is the 19.9mph the speed that is needed to match the time taken to do the segment route?

I enjoy it because it motivates me to get fitter, even though I've got no chance of KOMs on the climbs around here. Top tens are still pretty satisfying on climbs I was struggling to do clean a while back.

It only gets barmy when you tailor your whole ride to the start and finish of segments. There's one around my way which 'starts' halfway along a track you normally pootle along towards the climb, and finishes way beyond the top gate where I usually stop to have a breather. So I start pushing hard earlier and keep going to these artificial points...

I'm just waiting for the local bogs to dry out so I can start posting decent times again.

A few months back I got a KOM on a local piece of singletrack which I didn't know was a seg on Strava at the time. Subsequently lost it so when riding it 4 weeks ago I decided to try & get it back resulting in my first Strava crash - spectacular but fortunately no serious injuries.

It was whilst laying there, trying to breathe that I thought to myself "Numpty! Whatever happened to just enjoying the ride?".

Have reverted to not giving a stuff about other folks times - just my own progress. Anything else is a bonus.

I use strava to log my rides, see the route I've covered, see the high gain and generally have a poke about.
The KOMs are an added bonus, but the be all and end all. Theres always going to be someone better / faster, so I'll have a crack if I can be bothered.

I'm new to Strava and quite like trying to find challenges to test myself.

I know a fair few of the guys on my regular routes so if I feel competitive, it's good to 'race' them.

Couple of weeks ago [url= http://app.strava.com/rides/18787752 ]I rode in with a mate[/url] and with his help set a PR on one climb. We then have a nice speedy descent that I lead him out on and then watched him crank it up to claim my KOM.

Works both ways.

Oh and being fit doesn't necessarily mean being the quickest. I'm well off the pace on pretty much all the techy trails I ride but it's good to practise.

I'm finding Strava a pretty useful training aid at the moment. Helping with my hill reps before the hillclimbing season starts anyway.

Looking forward to "Up The Buttress!" 🙂

Follow me [url= http://app.strava.com/athletes/225425 ]http://app.strava.com/athletes/225425[/url] to witness my pain (and steal some KOM's if you fancy.)

I do find all these Strava addicts moaning about it quite funny.

You could just go and race your mates for real, then you will know for sure if you are faster/slower.
You will know for sure if they cut the corner / cheated.
You will be able to laugh when one of you falls off.

It will be more real and more fun.

I do find all these Strava addicts moaning about it quite funny.

Sorry, which ones?

I rarely ride on my own. I use Strava all the time and so do many of those I ride with. It isn't perfect but it's pretty good for seeing how you're progressing and seeing how you're doing compared to other riders you know. Chasing KOMs is often futile because, as you can see if you look at the detailed data, GPS isn't that accurate, line choices are 'flexible', and conditions vary massively.

Last night we had what felt a fairly fast ride, I was going quicker than ever (or so I thought). Got back and three of us had broken loads of personal bests along trails. Nice to know you're not imagining it!