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Be honest with me please.

Im struggling still to get comfy on this.

I feel like I am always shuffling rearwards on the seat to try and get in a decent pedaling position and my legs just above my knees are always hurting/aching?

Here are some pics of me on the bike side on (dont laugh I know Im fat).......

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This one shows max leg extension..
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This one shows knee over pedal spindle....
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Ive been trying it with a 50mm stem today that someone off the forum kindly lent me and first impressions arent good. It feels cramped and I find myself trying to shuffle even further back ??

What do you think??


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:31 pm
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To me that looks way too small but I might be wrong.

What size is it and what size are you?


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:37 pm
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Oh dear sweet baby jesus, not this again wasn't it too small then the best bike in the world and now to small again.....you are worse than a fat lass trying to fit in a dress 2 sizes too small.

*inserts pencils up nostrils and smashes face against desknin the hope that they may pierce my brain*


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:38 pm
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I’m really no expert, but that looks far too small IMO 😕


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:38 pm
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That looks like me on an isla bike 😉


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:39 pm
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Its a large Giant trance

I am 183cm

Giant says large is good for 6 foot to 6 foot 3


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:40 pm
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Photo angle not helping


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:41 pm
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i know that looks can be decieving, and all that.

but it looks like it's too small, by quite some margin...


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:41 pm
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Either you're Hagrid or that bikes got 24" wheels...


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:42 pm
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That looks way too small, who sold you that?


 
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This is the bike without me on it .........

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Posted : 06/03/2015 5:44 pm
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I thought they looked like 24's

Don't tell me that's a 29er?
It suddenly looks bigger without you

Why would you put a 50mm stem on?!


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:44 pm
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If that [i]reall[/i]y is a large then it should be fine if you [i]really[/i] are 6ft.

Usually the question for 6fters is "do I need a medium or large?"


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:47 pm
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27.5


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:47 pm
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Agree with the above. It does look too small but the camera angle definitely isn't helping.

Edit: looks too short in the TT though.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:47 pm
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Are you all in proportion? 😯
I'm talking torso vs. inseam? 😉

I ask because a large should be good for you - but it looks like you have the seat very high. (could be camera angle though)

What is your exact inside leg measurement?


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:49 pm
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Is your seatpost laidback, is your seat also right back?
Just ordered a XL (from L), based on the fact that all my old bike photo's have laid back posts, seat all the way back and 80+ stems (& comparing ETT's)...


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:49 pm
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put on a reasonable length stem back on.

I don't know a massive amount but surely a short stem for you would be a long for a shorter person.

I think 50mm would be very short for me and I'm currently using a 90mm. I'm only 5ft 8


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:50 pm
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You must have ape arms and a really long torso if it feels too small. 😆

Something with a longer top tube / reach (around 24.5"ish) and a slightly longer stem might feel better?


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:52 pm
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Wider bars help at all? is that an anthem? they look narrow


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 5:54 pm
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Can't tell a lot from the top pics but the bike lower down looks about right.

I feel like I am always shuffling rearwards on the seat to try and get in a decent pedaling position

Are you shuffling back for balance or from wanting a longer reach? Sit on the bike as you are in the top pic - can you lift your hands just off the bars but maintain that position relatively easily, or do you tip fwd?
If you tip fwd then knee over pedal isn't working (as is often the case). You may need to sit a bit further back over the BB to get a balanced seated position. Unf you already have a layback post, but try sliding the saddle back and see if it changes anything.
How does the bike feel if you're stood up just riding figure 8s and playing about?


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:02 pm
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big lads always make bikes look small, I know because pics of me on a bike can look strange 😯 You've got proper leg extension, and looking at the seat in relation to the handle bars I'd say it's spot on.
Not sure about a 50mm stem though a 75-80mm would give you more room.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:03 pm
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Maybe it looks wrong because your attire does not match your bike 🙂


 
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Too small, I'd say. Stem looks upside down. Bar sweeps up a lot and the brake position is making you drop your wrists. Also, do you always ride with your elbows locked? Nice looking bike, though, and bonus points for log/valve alignment, neat cables/hoses and well-trimmed lawn.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:04 pm
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Looks like you need an xl 29er to me.
If it feels to small then it's too small.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:04 pm
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put on a reasonable length stem back on.
I don't know a massive amount but surely a short stem for you would be a long for a shorter person.
I think 50mm would be very short for me and I'm currently using a 90mm. I'm only 5ft 8

2008 called, they want you back.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:05 pm
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Take a photo with you on the bike from the same angle as the bike alone pics and we'll have 1/2 a chance of telling.

Based on the numbers a large for a 6' rider should be bang on - just get on and ride the thing and stop worrying about what Steve Jones says.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:07 pm
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Longer stem, wider bars and that'll be bob on.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:07 pm
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2008 called, they want you back.

You can be sure of the correct size when fashion dictates fit 😉


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:10 pm
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photo angle is deceiving, looks ok maybe with 70mm stem

can you take photo in your knee level


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:13 pm
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I've already put 780mm bars on it.

I tried a 50 mm stem as when i was hanging off the back on some steep stuff I got caught up trying to get back up on the bike.

Movability wise it feels fine and quite nimble.

It's actuAlly longer ett and reach than my previous xl 5 spot.

I will try and get some better pics tomorrow at a better level.

Cookci come back with an opinion when your own bike is sorted and your not falling off it. 😉


 
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I thought we all fall off... even the pro's?! 🙂


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:18 pm
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As someone who's 196cm and rides a large i'd say it's too big 😀

Agree with the 70mm stem (i switch between 50 + 70mm depending on how much uphill pedaling i'm planning on doing).


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:19 pm
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Can we have a picture from the back x


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:20 pm
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with pants on or off?


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:21 pm
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I'd want to see a picture with you out of the saddle. Saddle to bottom bracket looks fine. But reach, particularly when out of the saddle may not be.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:21 pm
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Erm yep ok ? Why ?

The above is aimed at v666ern


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:22 pm
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It's actuAlly longer ett and reach than my previous xl 5 spot.

Was the 5 spot too small?


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:23 pm
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I agree with this man - http://sheldonbrown.com/frame-sizing.html

Top tube length is the most important measure when sizing a bike and the Giant appears too small for your build/reach.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:23 pm
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Is that a crack on the swing arm?


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:29 pm
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I like your reach and your shock position in your other thread x


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:30 pm
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Crack where ?


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:31 pm
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Five spot ett was 24.2inches. Trance us 24.5
Five spot reach was 42.24cm, trance is 43.9cm.

Xl five spot fitted perfect with a 55mm stem and layback post which is why I went for a large trance as the size is almost the same if not slightly bigger.

An xl trance would be far to big ??

EDIT ... which thread are you on about v666ern?


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:34 pm
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Sorry Renton, nothing helpful to contribute just a little titilation!


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:36 pm
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If it feels too small then fitting a 50mm stem will only make matters worse.


 
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Five spot ett was 24.2inches. Trance us 24.5
Five spot reach was 42.24cm, trance is 43.9cm.

Xl five spot fitted perfect with a 55mm stem and layback post which is why I went for a large trance as the size is almost the same if not slightly bigger.

An xl trance would be far to big ??

You have answered you own question then. Unless........you have decided you like a bigger bike. In which case the trance could be too small. Or too big, if the five spot was perfect.

Maybe you just [i]thought[/i] the five spot was the right size, but actually it was too small and the giant is the perfect fit, but you haven't realised it yet?

Or it could be that Giants sizing is wrong on the website, I've heard sometimes they have different sizing depending on which country. The American Trance could be bigger. I'd check the U.K website.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:47 pm
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mine is only a 26er but I'm 6'1" and a bit and ride a large trance and it fits fine so i'm going for short stem and crap photos


 
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Crack where ?

No.. sorry its a dog hair on my screen 😆


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:49 pm
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my twopenneth.
yes it is too small
why did you not buy the 29'' version


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:52 pm
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But surely if giant say it's suitable from 6 foot to 6 foot4 then it's the right size ???

Or am I missing something?


 
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Posted : 06/03/2015 6:59 pm
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without being rude, you like me, look like a big bloke.
most bikes are gonna look small when we are on them. but looking small and being comfy are very differant.
comfort is the most important thing. aesthetics come at the bottom of the importance list.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 6:59 pm
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^ What Ton said. I'm failing to see how anyone on here can genuinely judge whether the size of a bike is wrong for you from looking at a photo of you on it! 😕


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 7:12 pm
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But surely if giant say it's suitable from 6 foot to 6 foot4 then it's the right size ???

Or am I missing something?

They're guidelines, not rules. The only way you could be certain would be to try other sizes


 
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I think the reach is far too short on that bike. I think that of the Trance in general rather than with you sitting on it. It's got a real sit up and beg type riding position.

A mate and I were trying them out for size in Paul's Cycles. We both ended up having to get a size so big that our nuts were resting on the top tube! It's just a really short bike.

You could try lowering the stem, but I think that would only give you a few extra mm's.

You also look taller than 183cm, but that could just be the photo. More photos would help, or even better a video!


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 7:28 pm
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I don't understand it to be honest as it has a longer top tube and more reach than my previous bike which felt perfect.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 7:30 pm
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Blimey. You've not done much formal PT for a while have you?

It's too small. Get a bigger bike.

It's got 15mm more reach and no layback seatpost, so that's going to be shorter. If you put a layback on that you'll have so much weight so far up and back you'll wheelie everywhere.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 7:35 pm
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I'm on a sqn so we don't get much time for pt.

It has got a layback post on it a d the seat is almost all the way back it never once feels to light at the front.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 7:41 pm
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Chubby lineys always use that excuse.

I'd not call that a layback post - just not an inline clamp on it.

The bike is way too short for you and I'd guess you are right on the limit of being too tall for it.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 7:44 pm
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Tootall I'm not any sort of liney!!!

I'm an Armourer. I believe you are a blanket stacker aren't you.

I am 6 foot

If the post isn't a layback and also the clamp isn't inline what is it then??

The bike is suitable for some one 6 foot to 6 foot 4. How am I too big for it.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 7:51 pm
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I don't understand it to be honest as it has a longer top tube and more reach than my previous bike which felt perfect.

Five spot ett was 24.2inches. Trance us 24.5
Five spot reach was 42.24cm, trance is 43.9cm.

New bike has 17mm longer reach and ETT is only 7mm difference. So assuming they're both measured the same way that 10mm diff between the 2 means the new bike has a steeper seat angle by just under a degree - see my earlier post about why that may matter.

The sag at the rear can make more difference to the SA than that so maybe that's adding to the seat angle, or it could be making it the same, or less.. if it's sagging more it'll be making the reach shorter than stated. Reach and stack on a FS bike gets a bit vague as soon as the ends of the bike don't sag equally.

tbh, the measurements are so close and seat angle / ETT on the giant's messed up by the frame design anyway so get set up based on balance and forget the numbers. If you can't get comfy / balanced, the bikes's wrong.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 7:55 pm
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How am I too big for it.

Irrelevant.

Clearly you feel too big for it because you wouldn't have asked. You do look too big for it but I would look at fitting a longer stem and possibly a proper layback post before you sell it.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 7:55 pm
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The bike is suitable for some one 6 foot to 6 foot 4.How am I too big for it.

It fits perfect.
Just ride the ****er.
Does that help.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 7:56 pm
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Jameso would fitting a longer travel fork to raise the front and slacken off the seat angle help at all do you think ?

EDIT: The head angle is 2 degrees slacker on the trance too.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 8:01 pm
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Sell it and buy a bike that fits you, having tried it first, rather than spaff a load of money on a bike that doesn't that you got for a cheap price...to still find that is wrong for you.

Maybe test ride a few. Find one that works for your build and then get that


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 8:06 pm
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But surely it should fit that's the point I'm trying to get across.


 
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Not really chap, bike size guides arw just that, based on a average joe that is sort of scaled up and down and allows for some variation with seat post and stem length etc... I can make a medium or a large fit me comfortably and its totally dependant upon bike manufacturer and even the particular model. Thats why its better if you can to get a ride on one first. There is no " should fit" with bikes it is "do" or "do not" * yoda mode engaged*


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 8:16 pm
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Ffs I can't change my bike again. The wife is threatening divorce if I even mention it.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 8:20 pm
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Ffs I can't change my bike again. The wife is threatening divorce if I even mention it.

Put a sensible stem on it and ride it then


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 8:22 pm
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Get something nice like a jones space frame with one gear and no faffy suspension to go wrong 😀 that reallt can be made to fit midgets and giants.....or a stooge


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 8:23 pm
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Stuff of dreams for me tazzymtb


 
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I love the regular Renton posts it makes me feel much better about my serial bike swapping exploits !


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 8:27 pm
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Ha rub it in why don't you.

I should of bought that camber from you.


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 8:29 pm
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A stooge would work nicely renton and they are top value.Got a bike you can demo if you want, with a range of stems and seatposts


 
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But is it more chuck able and a bit of a play bike? If so being small is an advantage according to t'interweb innit


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 8:33 pm
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Let me stick the 70mm stem back on and tAke some better photos tomorrow.


 
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Its not about the photo, its about how it feels to you. It may look tiny/massive, if if it fits and its comfortable and doesn't hinder the ride you're sorted. Get the feeling you know what the answer is, but that you a really some bloke of the web will tell its ok to keep the inner doubts quiet for another week or so?


 
Posted : 06/03/2015 8:38 pm
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It ride fine last week. I really enjoyed the ride I had and started to like it.

I don't like it with a 50mm stem so the 70mm will be going back on.


 
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I don't think it's necessarily too small. Us 6ft+ guys always look ungainly on a mountain bike I find.

To add fuel to the fire, you complain of lower quad pain which can be a symptom of sitting too far back when pedalling. As some have suggested, it could be fitting too short a stem is pushing you back in the saddle.


 
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Anyone over 6 ft should only be allowed to ride 29 ers to avoid looking silly


 
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