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I'm pretty sure i'm over analysing this, but humour me anyway...
I'm kinda settling on an Orange Clockwork 120 (650b) as a new bike. Will be used for, XC trail riding from the doorstep, trail centres, perhaps something like Nan Bield / Snowdon once a year (will be an only geared bike).
Orange are established & sorted so clearly know what they're doing.
Orange seem to spec [i]long[/i] HT chainstays compared to some others. Eg: Clockwork = 440mm, Crush = 443mm, Hummer = 422mm, Soul = 428mm, Zero = 420mm etc...
I understand that its only one figure in the whole geometry package, so heres the other numbers:
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6061-T6 Custom Butted Aluminium
Frame Size S M L XL
Seat Tube 15" 17" 19" 21"
A. Head Angle 68° 68° 68° 68°
B. Seat Angle 73° 73° 73° 73°
C. Top Tube 568 580 596 615
D. Effective TT 580 600 620 640
E. BB Height (axle diff) -48 -48 -48 -48
E. BB Height (from ground) 301 301 301 301
F. Chainstay 440 440 440 440
G. Head Tube 110 110 120 130
H. Wheelbase 1108 1128 1149 1170
J. Reach 392 413 430 450
K. Stack 614 614 624 638
Seat Tube Ø 30.9 30.9 30.9 30.9
Standover 725 770 790 802
Unless otherwise indicated all measurements are in mm.
Frame angles are measured static, without rider sag.
Bottom bracket height measured from axle.
Whadda ya think?
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P.S. Why does Brant not have a 650b frame?
Brant does, thanks.
It's chainstays are 420mm long btw.
Brant does
Ok, i'm clearly being thick here, which one? I've looked on your website and i'm missing something cos they either state 26" or 29" as the wheel size.
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440mm is comparable to 29er chainstays. It's not overly long but if you're looking for a short back end it wouldn't be the first choice.
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Brant is Pact Bikes these days, not On-One.
http://singletrackmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/brant-bounces-back-with-pact-bikes/
Ahh, ta, i'd forgotten about Pact Bikes, Brant seems to shift bicycle companies quicker than a dodgy east end second hand car dealer does ringers!!! 😉
So Brant, wassappening with Pact???? Whats in store? in the pipeline?
Any non burly, lightish, slackish, short travel, HTs???? Fit for riding up and down for 30/40miles and for trail centre type stuff too??
Go on, giss a sniff.
My Banshee has 440mm chainstays and it's considered on the long side but perfectly acceptable.
My Kona Honzo 29'r is something daft like 410mm, shows how much shorter hardtails can be even with big wheels.
It depends how long the front centre is.
But unless you can't manual and consider it an essential part of your riding experience I wouldn't be too bothered.
So Brant, wassappening with Pact???? Whats in store? in the pipeline?
Any non burly, lightish, slackish, short travel, HTs???? Fit for riding up and down for 30/40miles and for trail centre type stuff too??
Go on, giss a sniff.
Aye.
Had a quick go on a mates 650b crush. I didn't like the longer chainstay, but then I'm used to bikes with short chainstays, so not surprising.
Personal preference really.