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Tell me if I've got it wrong. I'm assuming after Wednesday it's fine for me to drive 20 odd miles with my bike to go riding. I will be going on my own and riding on my own.
Yup.
It's basically OK to do that now anyway (well, it strictly isn't but the Police shouldn't bother you for doing it) as long as your ride takes longer than the driving.
Based on what what's been said tonight, I'm allowed to travel and take unlimited exercise
Torridon next weekend then*
*Not really. I'm not that stupid.
As long as that 20 miles doesn’t take you into Scotland or Wales of course.
Now you guys get your revenge for all those digs about access rules from those of us north of the border. So think of us and enjoy your ride 🙂
I'm sure the lovely folks in the Lake District (just one example ) will welcome the hordes with open arms!
They will all be wild camping and staying in laybys.
Anyone else think 10 minutes was a bit short and lacking in detail?
Fishing allowed from Wednesday apparently, my dad very pleased
Anyone else think 10 minutes was a bit short and lacking in detail?
Probably all he could manage between drinks.
Fishing's been allowed for the past month judging by the guys I've been passing on canal paths.
Anyone else think 10 minutes was a bit short and lacking in detail?
Hence he started the whole thing by explaining that the details will be announced to Parliament tomorrow.
Arse about face as usual
50page document being published tomorrow apparently
I'll stick to riding local
Good luck with heading to The Lakes, The Peak, North York Moors. There's no pubs or cafes open and you'll be made to feel like you've arrived in Royston Vasey.
Could do with some more precise advice as to how far you are permitted to drive.My usual haunts vary between 18 and 25 miles from home.Is this too far?Acceptable?
The problem down here in Devon is that the police have insisted on re interpreting the clear CPS guidance and attempted to deny the ability to drive short distances for daily exercise.
I've already been driving up to 60 mile round trips in the car to do bike rides under current lockdown rules, passed at least 3 Police cars with my bike on a tow bar mounted rack, all who've said nothing. You can do it already.
I don't really get the "no car not far no gnar" thing there's nothing in the official guidelines that imply any of that.
What I'm a bit unclear about is under the new rules will I officially be allowed to ride with a friend ?
Good luck with heading to The Lakes, The Peak, North York Moors. There’s no pubs or cafes open and you’ll be made to feel like you’ve arrived in Royston Vasey.
Well, Hadfield really is Royston Vasey, to be fair.
I'm taking the view that until these areas feel able to open and welcome me, I'm better off staying away. A wise man once said "just because you can doesn't mean that you should"
What I’m a bit unclear about is under the new rules will I officially be allowed to ride with a friend ?
My understanding is it's still only with members of the same household. Maybe tomorrow will clarify. After all the current documentation needs amending.
grannyjone, if you're trolling, your posts are piss poor efforts; otherwise you've clearly never heard of Rule 1.
been driving up to 60 mile round trips in the car to do bike rides
Wont soneone think of the polar bears!
BBC news twice stated you can meet a friend (singular) as long as you maintain social distancing. But I don’t recall Boris saying that, not sure if BBC have notes from the government to help clarify his statement.
BBC says you can now meet a friend and 'sit in a park' as long as you stick to the 2m rule....
Not sure what the difference between that and go for a run/bike ride is.
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What I’m a bit unclear about is under the new rules will I officially be allowed to ride with a friend ?
Doesn’t appear to have stopped people in our area the last week, unless a lot of co habiting men have suddenly taken up cycling.
The NHS app needs to be working before cyclist start disappearing in to the sunset. + lots of idiots not ridden their bikes for weeks then heading out and injuring themselves.
What’s the crack with Wales 🏴 can I now cycle there from my house or are they still saying no to exercise?
I’ll stick to riding local
Seems like a good idea to me as well.
BBC must have seen specific detail, so I believe from weds we are permitted to conduct outdoor exercise with a single friend, if we maintain 2m distance.
A smart move IMO, undoubtedly led by public health experts.
Yep, People in England are free to drive somewhere to exercise and drive to other destinations to exercise. according to the BBC...happy days...oh...
watersports will be allowed for people in the same household.
Dirty buggers
so I believe from weds we are permitted to conduct outdoor exercise with a single friend, if we maintain 2m distance.
No it says you can still only exercise with someone in your household.
grannyjone, if you’re trolling, your posts are piss poor efforts; otherwise you’ve clearly never heard of Rule 1.
I'm not trolling and what do you mean by Rule 1?
BBC must have seen specific detail, so I believe from weds we are permitted to conduct outdoor exercise with a single friend, if we maintain 2m distance.
Well most of my mates still say they won't come out Biking with me because they think it's still not allowed.
If you can find anything that officially states you can exercise with a single friend could I have the link ? If I showed it to them it might convince them.
I don't really understand the desire to drive somewhere to ride. I'm saying that as someone who has zero fun riding from my door. You can ride for as much exercise as you want from your door. So the driving has to be to ride something more 'interesting' - which would put you in the 'total douche bag' category in the current climate as far as i am concerned.
People in England can exercise more than once a day from Wednesday 13 May, including playing sport, provided they do so only with people from their households
That’s what BBC is saying
I don’t really understand the desire to drive somewhere to ride
To stop me from going insane with boredom ?
I have got 3 partly fun routes straight from my house but it really can get boring riding them solo every day, felty particularly rubbish today as the weathers taken a turn for the worse. A bit like a crap version of what I did last week!
Need to drive somewhere for the variety.
Since lockdown I have used my car for a minority of rides. I have ridden Gnar (Drop offs, jumps, steeps and techy descents). I have ridden as far as 58K in a single ride.
When the lockdown started all that was made clear was: One form of exerise a day, and it has to be done alone. Essential travel only. (But exercise is essential and later read news stating that it is okay to drive to do exercise as long as the drive is not too far)
All this talk of not driving, not hitting Gnar and keeping it under 1 hour all came later off other bikers trying to go the extra mile. I never saw anything officially stating you shouldn't be doing any of that.
@grannyjone I'd stop talking now if I were you. 3 fun routes straight from your door and yet you still go out for 60 mile drives to ride somewhere else?
Careful now, the sub 1 hour and sub 2 hour and the sub 20 mins an sub 10 mins from home keyboard warriors will be along to shame you in a moment for not staying at home, suppressing the virus, something else and save the nhs
So does this mean that it’s ok to pedal round kielder but if you ride over to Newcastletown wee jimmy krankie will send out a hit squad to track you down?
To be honest I felt like I was sticking to the rules better than most, during my numerous recent Solo rides I've encountered unbelievable amounts of walkers in groups & social gatherings greater than 2. A few sightings of people really taking the piss: massive gatherings on the moors with a BBQ and yesterday a huge gang of bikers riding Electric Motocross style Bikes on the trails!
Bigger fines for people who break the rules, but you can drive from your house unlimited times to take excersise
Some of us don’t even have 1 fun route to ride from our doors, but are still managing to not drive 60 miles to have an essential bike ride
Some of us don’t even have 1 fun route to ride from our doors, but are still managing to not drive 60 miles to have an essential bike ride
That 60 mile round trip was a one-off, that's the furthest I've driven. Even that is only 30 miles each way.
Most of my rides have been from home but there has become a point where driving has been very desirable for some variety and some trails I've been really missing that I knew would be riding ace in recent weather. Most drives have only been 20-25 miles each way.
Most places less than that would usually be reachable without a car anyway!
All the places I've driven to have been more isolated than any of my local routes so would actually be safer in terms of risk of catching the disease.
grannyjone - Rule 1 is short-hand for....don't be a dick.
Nothing personal.
Ask yourself - would the majority of people think your behaviour is 'reasonable'?
You know the answer - based on your posts and comments from others.
Ignore what others have done; the best you can do is to behave 'reasonably'.
Regardless of whether anyone thinks driving a car to rides is being a dick or not, it's not going to stop me doing it every so often. The reason I came to this thread was not to debate that anyway, but to find out if we have anything official on whether riding with mates is now allowed?
I'd suggest waiting for the updates to be published. But I expect if it doesn't suit you you'll ignore it and do what you want anyway so why even bother asking.
The same advice still stands:
"People in England can exercise more than once a day from Wednesday 13 May, including playing sport, provided they do so only with people from their households"
I don't see that you could interpret that as it's OK to go for a ride with a mate.
I don’t know what the English Mountain Rescue teams are saying but the message in Scotland is clear, nobody plans to have an accident, most are just bad luck, but if you do have an accident in an isolated area, finding you and extracting you is a team effort potentially involving upwards of 30 people working is close contact with one another in circumstances where masks and visors don’t really work so if anyone of them (or you) unknowingly is infectious you just made the potential to infect 30 others.
but to find out if we have anything official on whether riding with mates is now allowed?
No, we don’t. If all goes well, we might have in a month or two. All depends on the behaviour of the public, and resulting spread of the virus, in the meantime.
I don’t know what the English Mountain Rescue teams are saying
if, say, the mrt are out on long runs and 7 hour bike rides, fine for us maybe?
OK; you've failed at Rule 1.
I'm out.
Given the piss take that happened in Germany with relaxed conditions have seen an increase in infection rate I await the same thing to happen in England.
I've not been out in 10 months for a proper ride and I was all set to go for one when the lock down happened. I've got no issue not going anywhere but local for a bike ride.
Hmm BBC now contradict themselves. You would have thought the government would be giving them scripts to put out but obviously not
You'll be able, from Wednesday too, to take unlimited exercise; to meet one person from outside your own household as long as you stay two metres apart; you can go and sit in your local park, to sunbathe, or to take part in sport with others from your household.
Two people from different households would be allowed to meet in a park if they stay more than two metres apart, the BBC understands, while it is also thought sports like golf, tennis, fishing and watersports will be allowed for people in the same household.
The BBC is stating the following. Not sure if they are aware of more detail to be released today. Hence more confusion!
to meet one person from outside your own household as long as you stay two metres apart
I have got 3 partly fun routes straight from my house but it really can get boring riding them solo every day
That is absolutely dreadful and it has been for 2 whole months. I don't know how you are coping.
grannyjone - riding with your mates is not allowed. You've failed Rule 1 already.
I've got four variations of the same route I can do and I'm fed up of them. Still, there's no way I'd even consider loading up the car and going somewhere else. Even though I'm bored of seeing the same trails most days it's vastly preferable to not riding at all. If we all acted like you are we would quickly be in the situation if having all outside exercise stopped and hospitals under severe strain. We need to get to the position that when we do go out again we don't clause a spike in infections that the NHS can't cope with. If you can't see that then please don't post here about your driving to ride.
I think the key bits you missed grannyjone were the avoiding unnecessary travel and avoiding things that would put additional pressure on the NHS (no gnar). How much of that was a legal requirement has been argued to death but it was certainly what was recommended.
A big limiting factor for my riding has been the need to take my 4 yo for some exercise. If I go on a ride with him, I couldn’t then later go on a ride myself. So removing the 1-trip limit is extremely welcome here.
Some of the behaviour described in this thread is unbelievable, topped only by the magnitude of the lack of self awareness.
The BBC is stating the following. Not sure if they are aware of more detail to be released today. Hence more confusion!
What we now have is government by leak. One of the most important announcements of the last few decades and it's come out to the nation as Chinese whispers over the course of a week or more. I'd say shambles but that's probably not right, they've planned it that way.
It's a misleading mess.
I may start mtbing again but I'll not be driving anywhere.
I bet the people of Cumbria and the peaks are monumentally pissed off with this change.
So you still cant see family but you can drive to a rural town and go biking....
avoiding unnecessary travel
But Boris says go and drive. Not just for exercise but to go sit in a park, sunbathe etc. Hardly necessary travel.
riding with your mates is not allowed
But it's not so simple a rule now. Meeting up with people is a maybe but the likes of the BBC are interpreting it that way. Sports only with people of same household though.
Question is, do you consider riding bikes a sport? I don't myself, unless I was into racing. It's an outdoor activity. Personally off road riding for me is only partly about shredding trails. I can and generally have put that on hold. The rest is xc pootling, not much different to going for a walk, just quicker. Are people still banned from meeting to go for a socially distant walk?
It's all just more confused but headlines most will take from it is go drive and hit the trails. Peaslake will be rammed this week, whether they like it or not.
This is going the same way of the other threads 🙁
Because you are 'bored' you are willing to take actions that could increase the spread of infection and lead to somebody dying, or have to call upon an emergency team to help you if you hurt yourself, that could also lead to somebody dying.
Really??
The two things that will dictate the spread of the infection are :-
How dense the population is
and
How dense the population is
Lets all wait for the official words for HMG.
That 60 mile round trip was a one-off
Most drives have only been 20-25 miles each way
Sound pretty similar to me!
If you’re gonna do it then crack on but not sure what your trying to achieve talking about it on a forum where the majority of people seem to have the opposite opinion.
For me, I’m quite enjoying road biking at the moment so I’m gonna keep up with that and the occasional xc ride from my door.
This is going the same way of the other threads 🙁
A purity spiral?
Do you think anyone in the government has ever played basketball?
BBC have just said as a headline on breakfast TV that sport with members of your household only but on the same programme 20 minutes ago Raab said OK to meet up with one other from outside your household outdoors and used tennis as an example of something that might be OK.
EDIT. They've replayed it just now, and for absolute clarity (!) he used the words "meet other people". What are the muppets going to hear there?
So, meeting someone for a ride might be OK but also might not. Until the fabled 50 page document provides some clarity at 2 today (like it actually will...) rule 1 applies.
Lets all wait for the official words for HMG.
Don't hold your breath.
Rule 1 applies
When advice is so unclear, with minister's all offering different interpretations through the news channels, and it's left to the great public to make their minds up I do think those shouting down someone elses's interpretation because it doesn't match theirs and then retreating to 'Rule 1 applies' as their rationale also maybe need to apply a bit of rule 1 to themselves.
I have not been more than 10 miles from my city centre flat since this all started. Yes it can be boring doing the same bits but its surprising what you can find if you go looking. An hour has never been enough for me tho.
the magnitude of the lack of self awareness.
One of the great insights I've taken from this crisis, sadly.
When advice is so unclear, with minister’s all offering different interpretations through the news channels, and it’s left to the great public to make their minds up I do think those shouting down someone elses’s interpretation because it doesn’t match theirs and then retreating to ‘Rule 1 applies’ as their rationale also maybe need to apply a bit of rule 1 to themselves.
Totally agree.
The rules are vague and the message is mixed. Focus any anger on the government who are doing a poor job of dealing with the crisis.
To stop me from going insane with boredom ?
I have got 3 partly fun routes straight from my house but it really can get boring riding them solo every day, felty particularly rubbish today as the weathers taken a turn for the worse. A bit like a crap version of what I did last week!
Need to drive somewhere for the variety.Since lockdown I have used my car for a minority of rides. I have ridden Gnar (Drop offs, jumps, steeps and techy descents). I have ridden as far as 58K in a single ride.
Is it really this difficult for someone to use thier common sense?
First of all, by driving about you are potentially carrying a fatal disease with your wherever you go, please think of other people who may die from the disease you spread. Furthermore, the rule was “zero unnecessary travel”. This is unnecessary travel. Travel did not become necessary to relieve boredom.
Secondly, if you stack that bike, your are distracting a stretched NHS from treating COVID19 patients by treating you, for an accident that could have been avoided and therefore leaving said patients with better and more care. Please think of them.
Lastly, even today you must maintain 2m social distancing, which with a quick google needs to be extended if you are near and exercising colleague who is puffing and panting potential virus particles around them.
Have a think about your duty and empathy to others, please exercise alone gently on your door to door roots. I’m sorry it’s boring for you, but other people have lost families and/or are dying so it’d pay to have some perspective of that.
I see no problem with driving to ride as long as a) its not to a popular place and b) its not a superctechy place where chance of injury is higher.
Rule 1 being don't talk about fight club right? 🙂
An hour has never been enough for me tho.
There's never been an hour limit. Only suggestions of it from the likes of Gove in interviews.
Raab said OK to meet up with one other from outside your household outdoors
And he just said on R4 to meet up with someone from your own household. Then challenged said you could meet with both parents. 🤷♂️
Is it really this difficult for someone to use thier common sense?
But your common sense is different to mine and his, and hers, and someone else's.....
eg: you say "First of all, by driving about you are potentially carrying a fatal disease with your wherever you go"
I say - (indeed, did six weeks ago and got burned by the Rule 1 applies' merchants then) - that if I walk from my home then to get to somewhere where the dog can have a bit of a run I have to walk about a mile through alleyways and then down a long narrow footpath where if someone's coming the other way then it's impossible to maintain a distance without getting into a game of human pacman where you have to turn and go back 200 yards. And everyone on the estate I live on is all doing the same. Contact potential - huge.
Or, I can hop in the car (on my drive), drive a short distance (under 10 mins) and have a vast open space where if you see someone it's from about 50 yards away as a minimum.
Common sense to me says that the second carries far lower risk of catching or passing on. But apparently I'm being a dick if I do that?
so here in Scotland we can now exercise more than once a day, but there does seem to be new guidance limiting longer rides for example. This is what the First Minister said yesterday in her briefing :
'Exercise should be done close to home, alone or with members of their household, and people should maintain a two metre (6ft) distance from others'
The rules are vague and the message is mixed. Focus any anger on the government who are doing a poor job of dealing with the crisis.
The vagueness etc is entirely deliberate so that if things all go tits up they can blame the populace for not following the rules. They are making a shocking job of handling this crisis but this shambolic looking drip feed of vague rules and mixed messages has been very carefully planned to let them gauge public feeling about potential changes and shirk responsibility.
In the Black Mirror version of all this - Cummings still writing the official guidance in response to social media reaction.
I see no problem with driving to ride as long as a) its not to a popular place and b) its not a superctechy place where chance of injury is higher.
A bike has wheels there is no reason to drive anywhere to ride it. If you insist on driving then, what i have been doing re walking is going no more than 5 or so miles so i am outside the urban area and away from people. This is about having some excercise and not about carrying on as before.
I know this is from The Torygraph, but the same has been said by a number of people including ministers in interviews. Basically with all the evidence at hand now, the belief is the outdoor risk is much lower, so long as social distancing is observed and people wash their hands etc if touching stuff.
Viral load required and the nature of its spread via droplets and surfaces rather than being a true airborne virus, makes it harder to spread outdoors. Not impossible, but a drive to the countryside itself isn't going to be much of a risk at all unless you stopped in a shop, started shaking people's hands, hugging people you meet. There is of course a risk if someone coughs or sneezes near you. Hence keep 2m apart. But just being in the countryside and no one near you for a mile (most my rides have been like this) isn't an issue.
Personally I believe the vast majority of cases have spread through offices, homes, care homes and even schools. The common cold typically spreads via kids picking up at school, interacting with families, who then go inti offices and work environments, spread there and they go home, spread it about, their kids spread it at school etc.
Though the virus seems to have little to no symptoms with kids, I'm betting when schools go back there's a sharp rise in cases amongst adults.
I think boris and all are doing well.
I think boris and all are doing well.
I'm sure they are, not so sure about the rest of us.
I believe the previous advice about driving to exercise being tolerated was conceived with regard to local trips to get out of built-up areas - which was supported by a local copper I spoke to at Rivington who said he had been instructed to only turn back people who had traveled from somewhere like Liverpool (no jokes please).
That is 31 miles from where I met him, so 30 miles would also have been considered excessive in that context.
But it looks like that's changing from Weds anyway. And I suspect the start has been delayed by two days to give organisations time to re-open car parks and make plans where suitable.
In the Black Mirror version of all this – Cummings still writing the official guidance in response to social media reaction.
I think this is pretty much what's happening.