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For some reason, there aren't an abundance of 140mm trail bikes around these days. I have a trance at present and it pretty good to be fair to it, but the hankering for shiney is strong.
This thing looks on the money to me, new boost stuffs, good angles, space for biggish tyres, teh carbonz. 140/150 travel. Looks like a very versatile bike. Purdy too (IMHO etc etc)
Have intense produced a winner?
Perhaps but their line-up is becoming very "busy" with a lot of overlap.
Literally just last week sweamrs brought a Tracer so I won't be showing her this as I think the Recluse might have been a better fit with her riding.
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No biggie obviously, just saying...
Like the colour though.
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What (if anything) puts it ahead of a Scout Carbon to you wrecker?
No biggie obviously, just saying...
It's a good point actually. Why would they do this?
What (if anything) puts it ahead of a Scout Carbon to you wrecker?
I like transition, but perhaps unfairly, I don't put them into the £2800-frame category and I don't think I ever will. Only 125mm travel. Horst too, I am a VPP fan. 142mm spacing, may as well get with the (pointless) times. Like the X12 rear though. I'd sooner get a 5010, which seems a more similar bike and IMVHO, manufactured to a higher standard. The recluse seems like a modern take on the Blur LTc.
I bought a T275C a month ago.
I'm rather wishing I'd waited now. It's pretty!
Really tempted by the 275C but I'm put off by the pf bb.
Does anyone know if the recluse has a threaded bb?
Price seems very reasonable 😯
$5k base model gets you Deore!
Price seems very reasonable
Intense is there to make SC look cheap 😉 (well so are S-Works frames)
Shine on.
INTENSE RECLUSE FACTORY – £8,700
INTENSE RECLUSE ELITE – £6,600
INTENSE RECLUSE PRO – £5,800
INTENSE RECLUSE EXPERT – £5,300
INTENSE RECLUSE FOUNDATION – £4,200
http://www.saddleback.co.uk/news/intense-recluse-275c-launched
May have to reconsider another Spitfire!
Seemingly no frame-only option. 4k+ for a load of parts you'd probably upgrade anyway.
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Honestly can't see how buying one would make any kind of sense. I guess with boutique brands it doesn't really matter.
If it's not listing Frame only I'd ask, think it was on the last price list I saw for the 2016 bikes. Though as it's boost etc the full build option is still probably a good deal unless you have a lot of compatible parts around
I see the spec on the Foundation build lists a Shimano NX groupset.
I presume that's a typo?
Do the cheaper builds come with an "inferior" carbon frame, a la Santa Cruzs C and CC?
Can't remember if it's just the factory or the elite too but the factory does have a lighter/more expensive frame from memory.
THE FACTORY, ELITE AND PRO MODELS ALSO MAKE USE OF INTENSE'S SL FRAMESET WHICH SHAVES AROUND 300G WHILE MAINTAINING THAT ALL-IMPORTANT BURLINESS THAT GIVES THE BIKE ITS AGGRESSIVE CHARACTER. - SEE MORE AT: HTTP://WWW.SADDLEBACK.CO.UK/NEWS/INTENSE-RECLUSE-275C-LAUNCHED#STHASH.5IIJGJMS.DPUF
419mm chainstays probably a bit short for me.
And the seat tube mast is too high for me to fit on a large, which has my preferred reach.
Looks like my credit card is safe.
Nearly £6k for performance grade damping. Maybe it's not the one after all.
Any new canyons coming out?
Am oot.
Nice while it lasted.
They look like santa cruz's. IT managers and audi drivers only.
Seems like that's the market they're going for. Probably thinking there's plenty of cash to be hoovered up from people who'd like an alternative to SC but can't find anything else expensive enough.
never mind the chainstay length, are they the same both sides... 8)
Reach is a bit 2016 for Me 🙂
With the spider and tracer the frame is the same across the range. Not sure about the recluse.
I drive a bimmer and am an it analyst so your Audi theory is flawed entirely I tell you.
I do so love the thinly veiled hatred towards particular bike owners 🙂
strange name - "recluse" - do they expect them to be bought but rarely venture out onto the trails.
Nice looking bike, but too expensive for me.
I drive an Amarok and wear oily overalls all day.
Sometimes ride a road bike in my riggers too (ask chakaping).
It does look nice but as I'm finding why are intense frames so hard to sell on second hand even newer ones
Julians - recluse is a type of small nasty spider in the US, so think it's in reference to the 'spider' frame?
Wrecker is right though in that there are very few 140 frames with slack HAs around. I've been looking for one 'do it all' bike to reduce my bikes. So far, all I can find is a banshee spitfire, recluse, that new Felt and a very weird looking blue bike that I can't remember it's name. They're all pretty bloody expensive too. My search continues...
I'm a bit confused by the recluse.
140mm rear and up to 160mm front yet my T275C is adjustable 140/160mm and up to 160mm front. They seem very similar to be; similar angles too
I'm confused by the pricing. Even post Brexit these numbers are just ridiculous.
Yep. My "foundation" level Tracer was only half vaguely approaching reasonable as it was in a sale with 30% off.
The frame alone retails for £2600 ish apparently (although do people pay that for a frame?!)
It does feel like the market has divided more into shorter travel and longer travel bikes and there isn't so much around the 140mm region. The Recluse looks nice but I'm sceptical about the super short chainstays and I can see quite a few riders preferring a lower BB height.
Still not enough to tempt me away from my trusty Spitfire, which has had a lot of use over the last 2.5 years but the anodised black finish looks almost as good as new. Just given it a bit of an update, replacing the 125mm Gravity Dropper with a 170mm Reverb Stealth.
Have also been riding a longer lower and equally slack hardtail for the past 8 months and despite expecting that to make the Spitfire feel too short it hasn't done so - in fact I'm now making various tweaks to the hardtail (longer fork, external lower cup, shorter stem) to make it feel more compact.
I'd be happy riding the Spitfire for everything from long XC rides to uplift days - it's better than my hardtail at everything!
I don't understand where the cost is coming from
design? negligible with modern CAD stuff
materials? carbon fiber is cheap as nowadays and a bit of aluminium fabrication
manufacturing and assembly? gel coat hand lay up and pressed in everything, high throughput, low cost.
marketing? heaps I suppose
charging what the market will bear? probably
^ You missed out development and testing of designs, prototyping etc.
Still insanely priced.
Small volume, the economy comes when your knocking out 10,000's of reigns and enduros. R&D plus development costs money and has to be split by the volume
design? negligible with modern CAD stuff
I know stw can design and decided on a virtual bike based on 3 measurements but most manufacturers want to try it out, ride them and try stuff
design? negligible with modern CAD stuff
materials? carbon fiber is cheap as nowadays and a bit of aluminium fabrication
manufacturing and assembly? gel coat hand lay up and pressed in everything, high throughput, low cost.
I wish manufacturing was that easy! Actually, no I don't, otherwise everyone would be doing it...
There's clearly been a change to the company structure and shareholding at Intense and a greater drive for profits. But on the other hand their build kits are claimed to be what they'd choose, rather than sticking with one supplier, which seems like a decision made by a rider rather than a businessman.
I would say that if I'm spending £8k on a bicycle I want to cherry pick the components myself from the best available - I certainly don't want any own brand stuff on there no matter how good it is.
[url= https://www.yt-industries.com/en/products/bikes/enduro/553/capra-cf-pro-race ]THIS [/url] has a better build and is [i]only[/i] €5k (€4.2k in the sale)
They're both made in the far east - it the £3000 difference down to distributor/dealer markup + Intense brand tax.
They're both made in the far east - it the £3000 difference down to distributor/dealer markup + Intense brand tax.
So....
YT don't have a distributor so you have to deal with them, any issues involve posting a bike to Germany. UK might be OK but it explains why they are not that competitive in Oz. What's the sales volume? R&D plus tooling has to be split between the frames sold so volume matters. What's your source for your figures?
The frames cost that much because that's what they think people will pay.
There isn't some secret code that all bike bits are cost plus x profit.
Intense pricing isn't really that far from other "boutique" brands.
No one seems to bat an eyelid at Santa Cruz listing 7-8k builds...
Plus, the market for the real top end is absolutely tiny. I don't know anyone who's paid above £4K for a bike...
Plus, get one in the sales ; it's a lot cheaper
Plus, stop ya all hatin on Intense. I might cry :-S
Playing devils advocate here.
Pricing my next build up which I'm fairly certain will be another Spitfire.
For a pretty average build ie frame/shock, Pro4 wheelset, XT groupset, B1 Reverb, boost Pikes (if the new Spitty is boost), carbon bars, decent stem etc I reckon it will come in around £3800 ready to ride.
For £400 more I could have a foundation Recluse in teh carbonz with a 5 year warranty, admittedly with a lower groupset/wheel spec (I think) but still with Pikes (RC) and a Reverb.
The top spec ones are stupid money but weighing it up the lower spec ones aren't that far off what a half decent build comes in at on any other 'non boutique' brand.
Had a little play today on the "mid-range" (£6.6k 😯 ) one.
Very nice looking bike seems like a quality product, good reach... However the seatube on a large is massive and looks ridiculous so then you have to get a medium and the reach is too short...
Main issue at the moment is £/$ rate, many many bikes that come from America or paid in dollars are going up enve wheels are £3700 a set currently...