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would I always regret not having bought the Wild FS instead?
Yes
And I'd have to listen to you telling me so every time we went out
Nah just get the rise. It looks awesome. Same geometry as the Occam which I ride. And it doesn't look like an ebike which is a bonus. Just to provide a counter argument!
But I guess it really depends on whether you want longer travel and burlier. Only you know the answer...
Just changed my wild fs for a rise. The answer is no. Not saying the Rise is definitely better for you, just that I can’t see anyone being disappointed with it. Personally I found the Wild FS too much, the Rise is more my style. With a Rallon as my other option.
Not ridden the rise yet due to lack of demo bikes available... but as Doug says I also found it too much
I went from a Wild FS to a Levo SL, which is less power than the Rise, best decision I made around ebikes.
If it’s your first eeb after riding for years on a normal bike, then no.
I’ve just done that, can pedal it easy with motor off, feels like a normal bike. First ride on it, admittedly with my mate, who was pedalling a Jeffsy, 20k, 750m and only used 20% battery!
The battery is probably the decision you need to make, right? Do you need the extra range/power or are you happy with less assist/less time.
Rise has less torque, but unless you're using higher power modes a lot, that might be moot
One other factor is the Wild has a Boach motor vs the Shimano in the Rise, I'd prefer the Bosch myself (although I'd probably choose the Rise out of the two)
The battery is probably the decision you need to make, right? Do you need the extra range/power or are you happy with less assist/less time.
I think that is a common misconception. The Rise has more range than the Wild FS in the real world. It´s because you are doing some of the work too (plus it is more efficient and lighter). Of course, if you use the Rise in turbo all the time then no but it's not really the point of that bike. I find I use the Rise in Eco / Trail mostly and get 1700-1900m uppy-downy. The Wild FS I just use Turbo or e-mtb and I get 1000m-1200m.
What size are you on Doug as I think I would opt for a L for the Rise and an XL for the wild. I reckon we are fairly similar stature (i'm 182cm)?
EDIT: My big issue is that I am unable to test ride either of them. So if anyone in S Wales area has either and is about 6 foot then maybe you could help me out 😉
I’m not in South Wales but we have 2 rise’s in the fleet. I’m 6’2 and on an XL with 20mm of post out from collar of dropper, the other in a medium with a 5’6 rider with 20mm of post from collar.
@welshfarmer: There’s an xl rise for demo in Leisure Lakes, High Cross, Newport. They may have a large also - not sure.
Through the Orbea website you can arrange a demo - 80 quid a day (or 2 days if you hire on Saturday as shop is closed on Sunday 😉) Or you could just ask nicely for a sit on it in the shop.
I've been out on my wild fs today.
It is a weapon for sure.
You can put as much in as you like though. A lot of the flatter bits I'm in eco, then emtb for steep climbs.
Did 31 miles and 4100 feet on my 625 battery, plus some of my legs obvs.
The good thing about the Wild is it's more of an uplift replacement if that's your thing. You can bang out runs then stick another battery in and bang out some more (if you can afford two batteries)
I considered the Rise but decided it was probably a little spindly for the riding I tend to do. Also, because the battery is fixed you're limited to that and it's not so great if you keep it in a cold shed/garage.
That's not to say the Wild can't go on a mellower trail run though. That's what I did today.
It's a great bike.
I have the Wild and had a shot on a Levo sl and I think if I had went from trail bike to the lighter eebs then I would have loved it but if I was to jump down to the lighter from the wild it would take me a while to adjust
The wild just sails everything and and feels so planted
Thanks for all the replies so far. Really useful.
I’m 179cm and on a L which fits like a glove.
The fixed batteries is the future, when you start to realize how much weight you need to add to make the battery removable it’s crazy. Material to get back the 70% stiffness you remove by opening the down tube, drop test requirements for the battery, mounts etc etc.
Edit, if you’re near here you can try mine.
Same as Kayak23 for me, if you're doing enduro or heavier trail style stuff that's basically fireroads up and downhill runs then the wild will be a better fit, more range for what you want to do and a bit sturdier for hitting bigger stuff, it really is built around an enduro chassis.
If you're doing blue or red xc routes, then the rise would work well, the weight and 2x power gives you what you'd need for those days where you're hitting big routes, say the available trails at afan/cwmcarn/etc (i.e. all of them in a day at one centre), as it's built around a trail chassis.
Of course there's a huge grey area where crossover can occur, that's where your preferences will come in, i have seen the rise and given them a bikeshop sit and look, they are nice, but i enjoy enduro stuff, i also enjoy trail, but the enduro stuff edges it so i'm overbiked for trail days, but just slightly less lethal on enduro stuff!
The fixed batteries is the future, when you start to realize how much weight you need to add to make the battery removable it’s crazy
Can't imagine it being a big factor on an eeb.
Depends what you do.
Bikepark Wales for example you can easily rinse two batteries getting in all the runs you want and can do over a day.
Last time I went to BPW as an example,on my two batteries (625 + a 500wh) I did just under 38 miles and 6750 feet of climbing.
I was knackered, but, I don't think you'd do that on a Rise with a single battery unless you turned it off! Happy to be proved wrong though.
A normal day of off piste in the fod for example, we'll do a battery before lunch, then one after.
That's a lot of riding.
I don't think you'd do that on a fixed single battery. You'd end up expending all your effort going back up, or having range anxiety most of the day.
Having said all that, I've not ridden a Rise, but saving a couple of hundred grams on an eeb with a fixed battery which arguably you'd never notice, over one that'll do the same ride but that you can chuck as many batteries as you've got the stamina for at it? Hmmm 🤔
Yeah, it’s quite a lot more than a couple of hundred grams. I know what you mean though but I think we will start to see fast charging. Rinse a battery before lunch, charge it and then ride again.
The rise would do that but only if you were light or using eco the whole time. To do that in trail you would need to do the first few runs with the range extender. But if you’re self shuttling bike parks then you’re going to be happier with a bigger bike, like the WildFS in the original post. Me? I’d take my Rallon and pay the uplift! When they make an ebike that is as fun to ride as a good normal enduro bike I’ll reconsider.
I'm not a huge fan of fixed batteries either, more down to the issues around lithium ion batteries and things like thermal runaway, removing the battery, keeping it discharged until needed and then being able to inspect it and the connections gives me a little confidence it's all ok.
My big issue is that I am unable to test ride either of them. So if anyone in S Wales area has either and is about 6 foot then maybe you could help me out 😉
@welshfarmer Cycle Solutions in Uplands, Swansea have a demo Rise, in Large I think. Might be worth giving them a call.
Over the last year or so my health has taken a turn for the worse so started looking at ebikes. A friend persuaded me to go with the Rise and ime glad i didn't go for a full fat bike. Very manageable weight wise but its also a great bike to ride. Ive had it on full boost and you can get 20 miles out if it with quite a bit if steep climbing.
I have had my Rise for about 4 months, I had an e-Sommet before that!, I am running the Rise 160mm up front, it’s a very capable bike you could run it as an Enduro bike with coil & beefy wheels & light wheels & air shock as a trail bike, I am 181cm with long torso & the size large bike is a fantastic fit, an amazing bike
I had a wild FS and really liked it.
I'm 186cm and had an XL which fitted well.
I fitted a 170mm airshaft to the fork just to raise the front a bit.
It was a great bike and inspired me to ride stuff I was scared of trying before.
The only thing that put me off it was how flexy the rear end was. It always felt like the rear tyre was low and moving about.
There has been lots of reports of chainstays cracking on the aluminium frames and could see why. With the rear brake applied you could physically see the stay bending slightly.
If you are a lighter rider you may find it fine. If you are over 105kgs then you may want to get the full carbon version or a different bike.
I've now moved to a 2022 levo expert.
Just to conclude this thread. I have now taken delivery of a alloy Rise in Large from Zero bikes near Ross on Wye. The whole buying process has been great and the guys in the shop have been brilliant. Very recommended if you want an Orbea or a Rocky Mountain. Back when I started this thread the alloy Rise hadn't even been announced. So how is the bike. Well it is a bit heavier than the carbon one obs but also has a larger 540Wh battery. I opted for the 150mm Fox Factory fork upgrade and a few other bits and bobs but the price was still more than competitive with any other quality Ebikes out there. And what is more I ordered it online from Orbea at the start of January and am riding it now, even though delivery was scheduled for next week.
Not had a chance to ride it much other than twice round the farm checking the sheep, but fit is spot on and it seems to ride really well, even without the motor turned on. I will do a better review after a few2 more rides.
Not had a chance to ride it much other than twice round the farm checking the sheep
‘Quad bike for sale’ 😄
I love a bit of thread conclusion. If I was buying an eeeb, Rise would be top of my list in part due this thread.
Nice one. Be interested to hear your thoughts when you've had a razz or two.
Nice one +1, I wonder what the range difference will be compared to the carbon rise, for example, with the range extender (so 615whr in total) rode Cwmcarn yesterday, 25 miles and 4300’. Had two bars of the bikes battery left and range extender was done.
The guys over at Zero Bikes are top top people, wish I could get a RM off them but over budget. My rise is on order for February some time but no update just yet as to when but from MTB monster as zero are too far away from Cumbria! Be good to hear what you think about it, which colour way did you opt for?
Will be taking delivery of my Large M10 any day now. Decided to go carbon cos it's about 2kg lighter, albeit only about 1.5kg of that is actually battery. But for most of my rides, 360Wh will suffice and I'll just fit the 252Wh range extender for the odd ride out with full power bikes as and when required.
Also waiting on my H15 arriving at MTB Monster @GolfChic. Hopefully soon, Orange XL. Would have preferred local LBS but they quoted December 2022 when I ordered before Xmas!
I think that is a common misconception. The Rise has more range than the Wild FS in the real world. It´s because you are doing some of the work too (plus it is more efficient and lighter). Of course, if you use the Rise in turbo all the time then no but it’s not really the point of that bike. I find I use the Rise in Eco / Trail mostly and get 1700-1900m uppy-downy. The Wild FS I just use Turbo or e-mtb and I get 1000m-1200m.
Ymmv. Doug and I have discussed this and I get a chunk less climbing. Cant work out if it’s climate, cadence or fitness. However, adding the hop up and i heading for some way over 2000m climbing (so enough for that BPW day above.)
Sunday I got 38km 1400m (nearly all on eco with a very little trail) and finished on under 15%. The Wild riders with us (all e-MTB I think) ended with more battery than me.
Yes interested in an update too !
Some are getting slightly discounted at the moment, and I have had a quick ride around a car park. On a high end model which was super light.
I've sat on an H30 in a shop... that wasnt quite so light, I am guessing not just down to components but a bigger heavier battery ?
Well I have put almost 1000 miles on it since end of January and few complaints so far. I ended up changing the brakes to Maguras as the stock Shimano ones were not up to the job and the Zees I fitted from my old bike started playing up (microleaks and NOISY). I have upgraded the wheels for sumer and refitted the stock tyres which have been great in this dry spell. I still have the HD winter tyres on the stock wheels which will go back on for winter, I have yet to get range anxiety and happily do 45 km rides with 1200 m of climbing. So much so that I cancelled my order for the range extender and bought the new wheelset instead. There have been reports of noisy and poorly greased pivots form the factory. I took mine apart last weekend to check and it was all good. But peace of mind and all that. Also horror stories regarding the E13 crackset, but again mine has been no problem yet!
As a bike it rides really well, I use it as a trail bike and a dodderers enduro sled, i.e. I will take it down anything including the gnarliest off piste stuff around the South Wales valleys, just not especially fast lol It is confidence inspiring and has got me out of trouble several times. And whilst I can't keep up with my mates on full fats going up long steep climbs, that really is the only time it shows the difference.
I bought an H30 in April. Faultless mechanically apart from the dropper which failed and needed a £10 fix (bottom cap came off). I can't stress how much I love it, how its made me ride more, for longer distances, how its capable up and down, the range is great and it does much of what my old AM9 did (mostly) on the rough stuff.
It was such a gamble to buy it. Its 2.5 times what i've spent on a bike before and i was so nervous, so there is a sense of relief that I've not spaffed 4.7k on something that rubbish. Cycle to work was a massive help in that regard.
I'm looking at new brakes because they are adequate but underpowered. The Shock and fork on the H30 are basic and acceptable but i've had to take a lot of air out to get any level of plushness.
I'd be interested in keeping the conversation going on upgrades 1. A new shock 2. Some better brakes 3. Interested in running a Magicshine emtb light that uses the internal battery so if anyone has done that would be good to get reflections.
hb, have you upgraded the front rotor to a sturdy 203 yet? The Deore 6100 brakes are fine (for me) with a proper rotor.
6 weeks on, a couple more mates have jumped in and we've now bought SEVEN of these things between us!
Only upgrade I made to mine when I had it was to update the brakes/rotors and change the tyres. I'd agree with previous comments, check the bearings as defo a weak point, mine went through two sets in a year, but I suppose that's Innerleithen in winter, just kills stuff. Although I think it's also the back end which I found way to flexy hence now having a Wild.
Got one for sale in classifieds if anyone fancies one 😉
Also really enjoying my H15 that arrived 3 months ago.
I'm finding the 2-pot Deore brakes fine (with a 203 now fitted on front).
I even stuck with the Dissector/Rekon tyres and had no issues other than couple punctures (rare for me) that the jiz fixed.
Blew the freehub up but Orbea warranty have replaced it with a steel one (should really come as standard on a eeb maybe?).
I've had my Rise M20 since last December & have done over 1000 miles on it in all weathers. General SDW type xc, club rides, Friston/Bedgebury/Surrey Hills/Stanmer etc. I kept my existing FS (which I have also done just shy of 1000 miles on in the same time), but I still absolutely love my Rise. It's just so much fun!
I'm no spring chicken at 52 and I have a number of historic shoulder & lumbar injuries but I've found that my fitness is improved from this time last year which can only be due to just getting out and riding more.
I'm a serial tinkerer/upgrader so always change components on my bikes regardless of spec, but have done the following to date: SLX brakes with 203mm rotors F&B, XM481/Hope wheels, better tyres, longer 170mm dropper & contact points. Other than this I have just snagged a DPX2 from a new bike take off to swap for the DPS and will be upping the Fox 34 from 140mm to 150mm when I get it serviced.
Bottom line: I'm really pleased I chose the Rise as it's light enough to be poppy and huge fun, easy enough to get over stiles/gates (& stick on the roof rack) but I have to still have work when I'm on it.
Good point, my M20 with some upgrades is bang on 18kgs and that's my limit for lifting it over stuff (also over 50, ride SDW+Friston and with a dodgy shoulder)
Maybe the Rise is the 'Skoda Yeti' of the eeb world?
60 years, stock H15 is 20Kg and there has been a lot of gates/styles on the Southern Upland Way 😉
183cm was 84cm legs and proportionate arms - Lg Rize. Very nimble and hugely different from a YT Decoy. Similar-sized to a Decoy Pro 29” in XL. Climbs well but rides so much more naturally.
Interesting re weight. The H30 I sat on in a shop I thought would be too heavy for a Thule roof rack.
The extra battery itself is 1.4kg more than the M bikes
Would be interesting to know the difference in range....
M-Team Ltd has a sensible build and seems strong enough.
My M20 in Medium is just under 20kg which is the upper limit for Thule racks.
Biggest issue is getting on/off the car when you're physically tired (and only 173cm).
I recently purhcased a H30 in april and have loved it so far. Ive done over 600 miles on it, i did start getting an annoying creak, found out it was around the linkage and pinch bolts, so loosened them and put grease on the bolts and sprayed lube around it. Tightned it back up and its been fine since. Ive got a 203 rotor up front and i changed the front rekon tire to a minion.
Brakes seem fine so going to leave them for now, im tempted to get an airshaft for the bomber forks to extend it to 150mm travel but not sure.
3 of my mates also got the rise aswell. Been doing over double what we usually do on normal bikes and still feel knackered at the end of the ride.
I borrowed one yesterday from my LBS, top flight carbon model, 2021 I think with a 360Wh battery.
Did 30 miles and 4000ft yesterday evening on our mid-week group ride - has a mixture of ebikes & normal, but 16 miles are there/back with a +1000ft either way. Normally I ride my Cotic FS and TBH coming home is a struggle sometimes - did I mention we have a beer, or three...
While the bike was too small for me, just a large, I was very impressed with its ride, handling and performance. I ran the battery dead about 100m from the house, and the majority of the time left it in Eco with just using Trail for steeper climbs.
I need to try a full-power eBike on the same ride to work out which would be best for when I make the decision but with the bigger battery of the Rise alloy version plus a range extended and setting up the suspension properly etc, I reckon it'd be hard to beat.
Another view.
Just taken the Rise for a lunch blast, kept it in Boost for the whole ride (9 miles & 1600ft). Less than 50mins and used one bar of battery fully, just dropping onto the second within yards of home.
The 15.5mph cut-off is a PITA when out for a fast XC type blast, I was hitting it everywhere, including climbing. I need to try a full-fat bike, but one very much more enduro-style as I reckon that's their natural 'home', self-shuttle.
You'll find hitting the limiter much more treacly on a full fat I bet, and it would happen more often with more power. But if you're enduro-everywhere in Boost then a full fat would probably be a better fit for you.
Not hit it limiter up hills yet on mine; on flat ish or down hill I hardly notice the transition, it's just a pain on flat tarmac where you naturally want to be just over that silly limit. It's also very quiet.
20mph limiter like the US would be much better, and safer on the roads.
I know this is unlikely but has anyone ridden both the M and H models?
The M is attract due to the lower battery weight but then will that give range anxiety ?
Did 30 miles and 4000ft yesterday evening on our mid-week group ride
Thats kind of what I will be looking at, using roads to link bits of off road in the Shropshire/Wales boarders. Has anyone done a direct mileage comparison between the 2 bikes, or is there any online comparisons?
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The M is attract due to the lower battery weight but then will that give range anxiety ?
Yes, would be my thought, I'd go with the extra range - and I couldn't imagine trying to put an ebike onto roof rails anyway...
Ive ridden both. With the M I get 1700m climbing at 80kg in eco, with a bit of trail. It depends a lot on how much you pedal (how fit you are) and how heavy you are. Also mud and things eat range as with all ebikes.
The H is just a straight multiple, (540/360)*1700m.
Have you considered the range extender and the M? That way you have the battery capacity of the H when you want it and you can leave the battery, and the weight, at home for most rides when you don’t need it. That is what I went for and it’s a great solution.
The H is great. It is a bit heavier which you notice but not too different from the M with a range extender.
I did 35 miles and 5.5k ft of climbing yesterday over Exmoor on my H15. Mixture of eco, trail and boost and used 3 out of 5 bars of power. 30-40% left in the tank maybe.? If you've got a set of legs you can get some proper miles out of them.
Get an M - be surprised at how much range you get out of it - buy range extender later if you need it.
With an H I'd be always coming home with spare battery capacity - weight - plus the additonal frame weight - and that would annoy me.
I also like the no screen thing. 2 led's are fine.
Thread bump!
How is everybody getting on with their rise? All good in the hood, any horror stories?
I've had my eye turned by a '22 M20, looks like there are some end of line deals around but I'm getting buyers remorse before I've even been to the shop 😅
Holy thread resurrection batman...
Well i've had mine now for 18 months I guess. and have clocked up almost 2000 miles. In that time i have changed all the suspension bearings except the main pivots, upgraded wheels and tyres, fitted new shorter cranks, upgraded the brakes, done 1 complete drivechain change and a few extra chains, and had 1 new motor. Sounds a lot when written down but apart from the motor that would be no different to running any of my other bikes. They do get a battering. Bike has done everything I've asked of it and is quite happy on longer XC rides or on extreme South Wales Valleys winch and plummet. I do ride every now and then with a group of full-fat ebikers and it will happily keep pace on all but the very steepest of hills. Did one ride around the Wye valley where I finished with 1% battery. The full fats were on 12-15 %
Some of the end of line deals out there now look like very good VFM for what is a great allrounder bike.
I've had mine just over a year now. Covered about 1000 miles. It's been excellent.
Only issues have been the creaky linkage which I've (hopefully) sorted with loctite.
Had an electrical issue where it started switching itself off every time I hit a bump, this turned out to be a control cable getting pinched where it enters the frame and was easily sorted.
It's only really let me down once where it gave up completely with an error code. Pretty sure it was water ingress. It was a wet day, and I mean wet. Axle deep puddles all day long kind of wet. Left it to dry out in the garage and the following week it was fine and has been ever since.
The frame bearings don't seem to last all that long but there's no protection for them bar the seals on the bearing themselves so that's to be expected.
There are some horror stories revolving round the e13 cranks not staying tight and destroying the drive spindle on the motor. e13 addressed the issue by recommending loctite and over torquing the pinch bolts. Everyone else addressed the issue by throwing them in the sea and fitting Shimano cranks instead. It's worthwhile going for shorter cranks anyway as pedal strikes are a pain with the standard lenght.
18 months into my H30. Love it. Brake upgrade but that's it. Put invisiframe patch over the on off switch to stop water ingress. Suspension is hard, but ok. Just ridden it loads and loads. Highly recommended if you are eyeing up some of the bargains out there at the moment.
Had mine just over a year , despite being told I needed 4 pots or a bigger rotor oh and different tyres I decided to think for myself and it's been fine with stock set up . Guess it depends where you ride and how aggressive you are but suits me for Mendips , Quantocks , Exmoor, Dartmoor and BPW .
I also had trouble with that linkage replaced under warranty by Orbea , yes the on off switch is in a stupid place 🙄 that got stuck so was also replaced and is now covered with clear tape . Reading about the spat between E13 and Shimano I had the cranks swapped from new couldn't be bothered with that .
It's been ideal for me coming from a full fat bike but I would still buy from an actual shop as I would with any E Bike
There are some horror stories revolving round the e13 cranks not staying tight and destroying the drive spindle on the motor. e13 addressed the issue by recommending loctite and over torquing the pinch bolts. Everyone else addressed the issue by throwing them in the sea and fitting Shimano cranks instead.
K's cracked on d/s axle after 2 years - have now replaced the cranks on both our bikes.
Latest installation instructions for the e*13 cranks have them 'upside down' - ie with the bolts/gap opposite (rather than over) the hole in the axle that the pin on a shimano crank drops into.
Clearly theres something wrong with the E13's but given it's a proprietary Shimano design, which I'd have thought means e13 must be paying a licence fee and building to Shimano's specifications, Shimano's response is a bit shit.
Had my Team m20 a year now - .. and i have ridden my analog bike just once since .
I wanted something that still felt like a normal bike and made me put some effort into it but helped if needed and well this was kinda it.
I swapped out the Fox factory Kit for my Smashpot DVO Onyx and Jade X - Front Assagi/ Rear DHR and it's bloody rapid and as capable down as my Ripmo - maybe even more planted due to motor weight.
Its not quite as agile but close enough.
Swapped to larger Rotors and the 2 Pot deores it came with are fine (Have Code RSCs on other bike)
Also have a Creaky linkage that i need to sort and now experiencing the Power issues noted above whhich are definitely cable related.
Its a Bit Flexy at the rear but you learn to live with it and i am 90+KG
In all very happy and good value for money (I got mine on a close-out deal as well from my LBS )
Go For it
H15 14 months SW Scotland.
Been OK. Linkage creaking returns from time to time needing a strip/clean. Replaced a couple bearings. Ended up replacing wheelset after the freewheel shat it's internals 200km in but Orbea sorted with a steel freewheel so didn't really need to swap wheels out - was just impatient (and DT HX1501's came up at £350).
Geartrain, 2-pot brakes, motor, Fox Performance boingy bits have all been dandy.
My H30 is going great, had it 6 months now and done 750km apparently. Two issues: the headset had a plastic / rubber spacer in it and I couldn't get it to stay tight, new bearings & a Hope compression ring have sorted it and the ubiquitous dodgy linkage, loctite has fixed it 🙂
I've changed the wheels, brakes, fork & shock on mine.
Well i’ve had mine now for 18 months
Oooo Mr Flash, got the factory version. Us lesser mortals can only afford the cheapo option.
🙂 If you look closely it is only the front forks which were an upgrade. Otherwise stock H15 model
Well, I couldn't resist in the end. M20 bought last weekend, picked it up yesterday.
Did a quick shakedown ride this morning dodging the rain, v impressed so far. Riding without the assist on its a slightly chunky trail bike, which was a pleasant surprise. Still a good workout with assist on keeping the cadence in the sweet spot, garmin h/u is a handy tool for that. Rode mostly trail with a bit of eco, not much boost needed. Biggest change for me is the size of it! Normally ride a lrg but it felt cramped when I tried it in the shop so went xl, fits well but the front wheel is miles away.
Thanks to everybody who's posted, you're positive reports convinced me to go and try it.
So is one of the suspension issues a bolt that ought to fit inside the end of the axle pivot bolt for the frame mount of the upper linkage on the non-drive side? 'Cos I can see bare threads, but the suspension seems to work fine.
"suspension issues"
Definitely worth checking the top shock bolt.
My '21 Orbea Occam M10 had a hollow aluminium bolt that cracked in-situ and am currently awaiting a new frame under warranty (the shock bolt could not be drilled out in-situ by the dealer and the frame had to be hacksawed to enable this)
Orbea sell new and improved stainless steel shock bolts and it's worth upgrading to this if you have an older Rise.
So is one of the suspension issues a bolt that ought to fit inside the end of the axle pivot bolt for the frame mount of the upper linkage on the non-drive side? ‘Cos I can see bare threads, but the suspension seems to work fine.
The threads are for the preload tool, you wind it in and then tighten up the pinch bolt, then remove the tool. The issue is the pinch bolt doesn’t always pinch enough.
Well I guess mine is pinching OK then, it all seems very solid. As do the e14 cranks atm.
You’ll know when it’s not as you’ll either hear it creaking or you’ll be able to see / feel movement at the shock yoke when you pull the rear wheel about.
I had the same with mine , Orbea quickly sent out replacement linkages bolts etc even bearings , bike shop theory looking at old and new sets there were problems with tolerances on some linkages possibly in manufacturing?The fact they were so quick to send out a whole new kit suggests they are aware of it and as soon as one comes to light they replace ?
Maybe too difficult to match a dodgy batch to particular bikes ?