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Riding into Worcester yesterday, up a minor dead end (for cars) road which pretty much just goes to a riverside pub/hotel. The road narrows for 20-30m so it's only wide enough for one car, not even room for a car and a bike/uni. I was already in the narrow bit when a car coming the other way decides to enter the other end of the narrows - despite me being very highly visible. I'm not sure the driver expected what happened next - I was riding a giraffe unicycle (google) which isn't that easy to get on and off or ride around things, and there's no way I was getting off to get out of his way (which is the only way I could have safely got out of the way). Nor was I squeezing past him. On a unicycle you can idle (google) to stay on the spot, so I stopped in the middle of the road and idled. He stopped. I shouted at him that he needed to get out of my way and that he couldn't squeeze past. So after a bit he did pull off the road to the side.
Presumably he thought a "lower form" of vehicle would just get out of his way? I'm quite sure he didn't expect me to "stop" in the middle of the road like that (I doubt he realised I could 🙂 )
I stopped in the middle of the road and idled. He stopped. I shouted at him that he needed to get out of my way
Hmmm. It sounds like he was being a dick. And maybe you were being a dick as well. Whilst on a unicycle.
Chin scratcher.
Maybe he thought you were on the way to the circus and so in possession of a very cheery disposition. Maybe you should have dismounted straight into a forward roll then roll out of it straight into chucking a custard pie into his astonished face finishing up on your knees doing outstretched jazz hands whilst shouting triumphantly 'TA DAAAAA.' while he wipes the goo from his eyes.
^ this obviously
But actually person in car fails to give way to oncoming traffic because said oncoming traffic is a bike and CAR TRUMPS BIKE!
See also t-junctions, left hooks, etc.
This is the problem. I live in a Victorian terrace area and consequently all the roads have rows of parked cars on both sides making them single lane (with passing places where there is a gap in the parking). When driving people are generally courteous and pull into gaps, flash lights, wave to pass and say thanks when on the bike they usually drive straight at me. Not sure what they are expecting but I often have to stop and squeeze into the tiny gap between parked cars.But actually person in car fails to give way to oncoming traffic because said oncoming traffic is a bike and CAR TRUMPS BIKE!
Let me help you out here. In this situation there was one dick. It wasn’t you.
Don't feel too victimised.
When I'm out in the van I get the same. They just assume you will get out of their way.
despite me being very highly visible. I'm not sure the driver expected what happened next - I was riding a giraffe unicycle
A small laugh then a round of applause as as you squeeze your squeaky nose and the Acrobats make an entrance?
Serious answer, this negotiation happens every day between all kinds of vehicles, luckily not everyone involved chooses to post in a forum else the internet would be full <yawns>.
finishing up on your knees doing outstretched jazz hands whilst shouting triumphantly 'TA DAAAAA.' while he wipes the goo from his eyes.
How many nights out have ended up like that?
Its the classic car driver entitled thinking. Round here we have chicanes in the road to slow cars with those red and white arrows showing who has priority. Even if the car does not have priority half the time the try to bully me on my bike out of the way..
Yep, even circus nerds have rights on the roads. You probably shouldn't have been juggling though... 😉
OP yesterday? 😀
perchypanther - Memberfinishing up on your knees doing outstretched jazz hands whilst shouting triumphantly 'TA DAAAAA.' while he wipes the goo from his eyes.
How many nights out have ended up like that?
😆
Best not to assume anyone else is bothering to think about their actions.
Remember, if it all kicks off at the circus, go for the juggler.
I just accidentally googled Giraffe Unicorn. That's my search algorithms screwed.
It happens to me all the time, mostly when I'm out on the pogo stick, people just don't expect it!
The most STW OP ever. 8)
It happens to me all the time, mostly when I'm out on the pogo stick, people just don't expect it!
Had a few close passes whilst on my space hopper recently.
OP's in contravention of the Highway Code anyway, Rule 66:
[I]"keep both hands on the handlebars except when signalling or changing gear"[/i]
[i] person in car fails to give way to oncoming traffic because said oncoming traffic is a bike [/i]
Not in this case it wasn't.
I get this most days, on the narrow section of country lanes that form part of my commute.
The thing is, I'm in my car - proving that idiots aren't prejudiced against any particular form of transport.
[quote=Kryton57 ]Serious answer, this negotiation happens every day between all kinds of vehicles, luckily not everyone involved chooses to post in a forum else the internet would be full <yawns>.
It does, and we've happily discussed people being dicks in cars on here many times before - and whilst I have had people do similar when I've been in a car, this definitely felt like one of the cases which wouldn't have happened if I'd been in a car.
Though you have to admit it's not quite the same as a normal post on this, and the thread does appear to have had the intended result of providing some amusement (if you're bored, the rest of the internet is just over there...) I did quite enjoy the somewhat different demonstration of "I'm not going anywhere, you'll have to get out of the way" at the time - stopping like that is something I do a lot when riding around people to wait for space*, so probably is a bit less dickish than stopping in the middle of the road on a bike (not that I ever thought I was being a dick - if there had already been a car in the narrow bit when I got there, I'd have stopped and waited in the wider bit).
Though I suspect as somebody commented above, the main issue was lack of brain engagement. There appeared to be kids in the car, and doubtless if I'd been a couple of minutes later and passed them when after they'd got out of the car the driver would have been pointing me out to his kids and they'd have been amazed (not willy waving, that's just the reaction I get from pretty much everybody I meet when out on that uni, even the gangs of surly teenage lads tend to be impressed rather than just rude).
* the main reason for the ride was to practice stuff like that, so in a way he provided a useful service
Driver was being an arse, op was being a bit of a clown.
Interesting - from kryton's post (highway code), are unicycles legal on the road? I mean, no brakes, no handlebars... (funny looking)...
[quote=Gary_M ]Driver was being an arse, op was being a bit of a clown.
😆 finally somebody nails it 😀
are unicycles legal on the road?
It's a somewhat grey area. Some laws specifically mention unicycles such as the [i]Statutory Instrument 1989 No. 1796: The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989[/i] or [i]Statutory Instrument 1994 No. 1519: The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 1994[/i] so they are classed as road traffic but others specifically don't and define [i]a bicycle, tricycle, or cycle having four or more wheels, not being in any case a motor vehicle[/i]
My inexpert opinion of that is that they are road legal but don't have to obey certain laws that apply to bikes, but have to obey some others. All a bit moot as it's never been tested in court aiui
Interesting also from some replies that while car drivers look down on bicyclists, bicyclists get to look down on unicylists (although not literally in the OP's case 8) )
Mint thread.
[quote=DezB ]Interesting - from kryton's post (highway code), are unicycles legal on the road? I mean, no brakes, no handlebars... (funny looking)...
Ah, well it's tricky. They fall into a bit of a grey area legally. There's certainly no requirement for handlebars* (the HC is guidance, not law), and brakes aren't required if the wheel is directly driven (ie the cranks attach directly to the wheel axle), which makes most unicycles perfectly legal (at least as legal as most of our bikes which are also missing reflectors).
The observant will note that on a giraffe the wheel isn't directly driven (mine is chain driven), which makes me a criminal. Though I look forward to the video of the police expert attempting to prove the stopping distance on a giraffe would be less if it had a brake 😆
[quote=nickjb ]My inexpert opinion of that is that they are road legal but don't have to obey certain laws that apply to bikes, but have to obey some others. All a bit moot as it's never been tested in court aiui
You're about right - if you ride on the road, then you should be road legal, though as pointed out most unicycles do meet the relevant regulations (reflectors etc. excepted) and are legal to ride on the road. Personally I don't choose to ride on the road much - I'll ride on the quiet roads round
our local housing estate, or similar quiet roads to that one, but certainly not on major roads on most of them. Ironically the exception is my other one which isn't strictly speaking road legal because it also has no brakes and has a geared hub (though it has handlebars).
The reality is that it is never likely to be tested in court. I'm actually reminded of something I'd forgotten - I had just ridden past a couple of policemen on the riverside path which is dual use for pedestrians and cyclists (like most of the places I choose to ride). On a unicycle I'll tend to ride on the road or pavement depending on which is better/safer for me, and I'd be extremely surprised to be stopped, but then I adhere strictly to Wheaton's Law.
Interesting also from some replies that while car drivers look down on bicyclists, bicyclists get to look down on unicylists (although not literally in the OP's case )
Sorry Gary, nick has just stolen the thread 😆
Driver was a dick.
As soon as they see a bike many think (well, don't think) "I can/must pass".
brakes aren't required if the wheel is directly driven
The judge that put the guy from London in jail doesn't think that's the case.
The judge that put the guy from London in jail doesn't think that's the case.
Just what I was thinking as as I ride brakeless fixed so I am no different than a unicycle when it comes to braking (would even guess I could slow down faster but have never ridden a unicycle)
Presumably the law is around 2 wheels need 2 brakes (even if both brakes on rear wheel?) but 1 wheel needs 1 brake.
brakes aren't required if the wheel is directly driven
The judge that put the guy from London in jail doesn't think that's the case
That wheel was driven via a chain, not directly as on a unicycle.
Presumably the law is around 2 wheels need 2 brakes (even if both brakes on rear wheel?) but 1 wheel needs 1 brake.
I thought it was each wheel needed an independent braking system? So you can have a front and a fixed rear but not a rear and a fixed rear?
Where does that leave one armed riders (there are some) who have both wheels braked off the same lever?
I've just Googled giraffe unicycle and watched a Youtube vid. 😯 Respect indeed and can appreciate wanting to stay in the saddle!
What a great vid posted by 456mocha, that little lad is amazing. 😀
Doubt its an issue. Similar to virtually every other road user, with all brakes operated by a single pedal.Where does that leave one armed riders (there are some) who have both wheels braked off the same lever?
[quote=Kryton57 ]The judge that put the guy from London in jail doesn't think that's the case.
Try reading what I wrote - Mr Alliston didn't have "cranks (which) attach directly to the wheel axle".
[quote=kerley ]I ride brakeless fixed so I am no different than a unicycle when it comes to braking (would even guess I could slow down faster but have never ridden a unicycle)
Well the obvious difference is that you're explicitly breaking the law, but for reasons discussed extensively on the Charlie Alliston thread, there's no way you could slow down as fast as a unicycle, because a unicycle effectively brakes on the "front" wheel. I guess it would be tricky if unicycles went as fast as fixies, but they don't, and even from 10-12mph on a big wheel I can stop pretty much instantly - unlike with a fixie, the weight transfer works in your favour.
The important law here is The Pedal Cycles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1983, specifically Regulations 7 to 9 of that. Regulation 9 provides the unicycle brake exemption "Nothing in Regulation 7 or 8 applies to a) any pedal cycle so constructed that the pedals act on any wheel or the axle of any wheel without the interposition of any gearing or chain". As mentioned above, my giraffe doesn't comply with this, but I'm happy that it meets the spirit of the regulations (any brake would make no difference at all to how quickly I could stop, which is pretty much instantaneous).
Meanwhile it appears that operating both brakes from the same lever is illegal, as Regulation 7 says "two independent braking systems".
there's no way you could slow down as fast as a unicycle, because a unicycle effectively brakes on the "front" wheel.
Would love to test that as I find it hard to believe. If you are travelling along at 15mph and need to stop quickly how exactly do you do that on a unicycle? Presumably just slowing down with your legs in same way as slowing down with legs on fixed gear bike ?
What technique do you use to be able to stop more quickly as slowing down with leg back pressure is not going to cut it on a unicycle or fixed gear.
from 10-12mph on a big wheel I can stop pretty much instantly
From 10mph I can stop pretty much instantly on a fixed gear too but how long would it take you at say 20mph?
At 15-20 mph you are more likely to be on bigger wheeled unicycle which would have a brake for road use. You are also far less likely to be doing those sorts of speeds on anything other than open road.
How do you know it won't cut it on a unicycle? Have you ridden one or are you trying to equate it to a fixed gear bike (which is very different)?What technique do you use to be able to stop more quickly as slowing down with leg back pressure is not going to cut it on a unicycle or fixed gear.
[quote=kerley ]From 10mph I can stop pretty much instantly on a fixed gear too but how long would it take you at say 20mph?
I have no idea, I don't do 20mph on a unicycle. Which is an important point - the lack of need for a brake is speed related (my top speed on the giraffe is ~6mph). I'm still betting I can stop quicker than you from 12mph, which is about my top speed on a "normal" 29er unicycle - go and read the discussion in the Charlie Alliston thread about the difference not having a front brake makes. Yes, I am just stopping using back pressure with my legs, but the difference is there is no gearing so the leg force required is much lower than with a fixie.
The only unicycle I'd do 15mph on is my geared 29er, which I mentioned above. That's not strictly speaking legal in high gear (though I'm sure if I ended up in court - which isn't going to happen - I'd just argue that it was in low gear which is direct drive, hence completely legal, though I doubt anybody normal would ever realise it has gears). I do keep meaning to put a brake on that, but the thing is it would make no difference to my stopping distance - brakes on unicycles are only really used as a drag brake on downhills, the brake I have on one of my unicycles I don't use to stop. Again it comes down to gearing - high gear on that is only 1.5x geared up (as opposed to at least 2.5x on a typical fixie) so leg back pressure cuts it just fine.
BTW I also own a fixie (one with a front brake), so I have experience of the difference.
What is this?
The Great British Brake Off?