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Bought a hub off this guy. Bought it as a bulb, its actually the bastard child of a bulb/pro2 so it wont fit in my forks. Replied to one email and said he'd send me the correct axle, i waited and nothing turned up. Emailed him again and no response
It was only £13, but it's the principle.
If your reply to his thread and your original post in this thread is anything to go by you seem rude.
Rude being worse than selling someone the wrong thing then not making it right? 😕
Didn't seem rude to me.
Bit harsh to name him in a thread title after he doesn't reply to 1 email IMO.
If your reply to his thread and your original post in this thread is anything to go by you seem rude.
I dunno. Compared to what passes for manners on the rest of the internet, it seems fairly moderate.
Anyway. Ian always seems a right on kinda guy. Maybe he is just busy at the moment? I think he was organising some charity thing?
Ians always seemed pretty trustworthy and helpful to me.
Hasn't he got some health issues at the moment?
What are the timelines involved?
I've brought stuff off Ian from another website, comes across as a good bloke to deal with, would do it time and time again.
Give him chance to email back, before the haters thread starts!!
What do you mean "bastard child" is it a bulb with a 20mm pro 2 adaptor? Quite whining.
I've also dealt with Ian successfully in the past.
Its a pretty detailed photo. Does it match that?
I've bought from Ian (and sold to as well), he's a good guy. Sure there's a simple explanation, so quit your belly aching over £13 ffs... it'll be sorted I'm sure 🙂
The bulb 20mm adaptors are slightly different, fit the same, but one has less stand off than the other, so the pro 2 ones give about 5mm too much length.
There are sometimes some on ebay, but put a wanted on here and i'm sure someone wiill have some kicking about.
it's not the end of the world!
Pair below with a free wheel!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hope-20mm-bolt-bulb-Mavic-d521-black-spokes-26-/160590550124?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item2563f1546c
Quite whining.
Quite.
Ians sound as a pound (13 of them in fact). Quit your bitching.
Go for a walk, man. You'll take it back if you put it on ebay.
Watch as the STW massiv rises up to defend the honour of a well-known regular, very touching 😀 8)
Post up in the Wanted section looking for something cheap, then flog it on eBay.
Wait a minute...
Dealt with Ian in the past as well, straight up honest guy IME.
Doesn't matter if it's £13 or £130 in my book - if you sell someone something, it should be what you said it was.
With the best will in the world, everyone makes a mistake from time to time, and the right thing to do is put your hands up and fix it. Taking your chances and selling the parts on Ebay is the last resort once you've worked out that you've been deliberately scammed and there's zero chance of getting your cash back from the seller.
Ultimately the win-win here is that Ian turns up, and gives the OP his cash back. The buyer's story then becomes "I bought something, it was wrong, but it was an honest mistake, and I got my cash back promptly" rather than "I bought something, it was wrong, I got abused by a bunch of the seller's mates, and had to sell the kit on Ebay". And Ian gets to maintain an untarnished reputation.
well said tron!
I'd take this thread as a warning not to have any dealings with Scunny rather than the man he 'named & shamed', what a cockroach.
Replied to one email and said he'd send me the correct axle, i waited and nothing turned up. Emailed him again and no response
So he's agreed to sort your problem out then? Perhaps he's sent something out and it just hasn't arrived yet. Maybe he's waiting for something to arrive from elsewhere so he can sort it for you. I'm sure it's frustrating for the OP, but sometimes these things can take a bit of time to sort. It's not like the seller is a shop so you can't always expect things to be sorted ASAP, life gets in the way sometimes.
I think the reason people react harshly to the OP is that plenty of these type of threads are unnecessarily badmouthing people who are either disorganised or out of touch temporarily. If I sold something on the classifieds it could take me a week to send it. I don't think that's unreasonable. You want it next day, then buy it from a shop!
i have bought and sold off Ian in the past too.
never a problem. wpould buy off him again without hesitation.
Flow, Mental Mickey, while your input has been helpful (and i'm sure if Ian see's this he'll feel all warm and fuzzy knowing that he's got you two looking out for him), may i suggest you get off your high horse, re-read the thread and leave the personal insults to mbuk. Thanks.
Anyone else, I did mention in the OP that the amount wasn't an issue. He has my money, i don't have the item i bought, it's that simple. Regardless of price. (But, who's to say i'm not some 13 year old kid that's saved to start improving his bike. Would it still be [i][b]just[/b][/i] £13 then?)
What's the problem with naming the seller? Ideal scenario is that he see's this and replies, the issue gets sorted and forever will he remain the good seller you're all so keen to tell me he is.
If emails had been replied to, then i wouldn't have had to make a thread about it.
We tend to name and shame as a last resort. Not gambol about shouting it from the rooftops like a 'tard
Bit dramatic don't you think? But, at least you've joined in.
If the op has had no reply to emails then maybe this is his last resort
And calling him a 'Tard' is just shit IMO 😕
If a/h is a mate then maybe contacting him and getting the other side of the story might actually help rather than calling people 'Tards'
I've bought of Ian in the past too and found him honest and reliable
scunny - you still haven't outlined the timescales involved here
TBH, you never normally bother with this part of the site and spend pretty much all your posting time on the classifieds and you've just popped over here to have a go at someone.
I've bought of Ian in the past too and found him honest and reliablescunny - you still haven't outlined the timescales involved here
TBH, you never normally bother with this part of the site and spend pretty much all your posting time on the classifieds and you've just popped over here to have a go at someone
Hub was paid for on 5th May. It arrived on the 13th. An email was sent that day, Ian agreed to send the correct axle. Sent an email on Wednesday to see if it had been sent, nothing. Email again yesterday, nothing.
Why does where i post have any impact on this? I'm posting on the site, about an issue that occurred through the site.
i tend to take tardiness as a facet of stw/internet dealings as a general rule
However - i have no opinion of either person involved
NONE of these hubs have been built up by myself, I can not garrentee the condition of the bearings the ones in the qr hub don't seem that smooth.
Now I doubt he actually put it in a fork to test it fits and he has said he will resolve
Again what is your time line as most folk use this as the last resort rather to force a reply.
Also note the pics show the QR to be different sizes/types so it seems unlikely it was an actual scam rather than him being unaware
if I was him, guven this thread, I would say caveat emptor, sold as seen in photo and post a scathing and pithy reply on here
Perhaps he is nicer than me and you who knows eh
So 3 or 4 days without him emailing back?
I wouldn't call that excessive TBH
while your input has been helpful (and i'm sure if Ian see's this he'll feel all warm and fuzzy knowing that he's got you two looking out for him), may i suggest you get off your high horse, re-read the thread and leave the personal insults to mbuk. Thanks
It's you that needs to get off the high horse, posting personal details on an internet forum is a huge no no, you've committed a cardinal sin and are no better than a grass, a stool pigeon and should be treated as such, with the contempt you deserve.
You also take the risk of buying privately without any of the kind of buyer protection the likes of Ebay might offer, then come onto a forum moaning like a little girl, tough.
Also not the pics show the QR to be different sizes/types so it seems unlikely it was an actual scam rather than him being unaware
Where have i said i thought he was scamming me?
Yes, in hindsight the axle's do look different (because they are). So i presume it was a genuine mistake, especially as he'd not fitted the hub. But, as a seller you assume the responsibility to sell the product you are describing it to be. He said it was a functioning QR hub, why would i disbelieve him?
You desk warriors have certainly dragged this out. This could have been left for Ian to see and the issue resolved.
I think it's amazing that some people can reply within hours or even minutes when buying or selling stuff but as soon as it goes tits up its fine to take days to reply.
scunny - invoke Hattersleys law - when in a hole stop digging.
You are far too quick to jump in naming and shaming. Thats why folk have jumped to Ians defence.
It's you that needs to get off the high horse, posting personal details on an internet forum is a huge no no, you've committed a cardinal sin and are no better than a grass, a stool pigeon and should be treated as such, with the contempt you deserve.You also take the risk of buying privately without any of the kind of buyer protection the likes of Ebay might off, then come onto a forum moaning like a little girl, tough.
As a rule, i tend not to argue with idiots. They clutch at straws, and when they're struggling to prove a point, they'll resort to personal insults.
Personal details, where? You do realise that his user name is Ianpinder!
He said it was a functioning QR hub, why would i disbelieve him?
The photo has all the details you need, I can quite clearly see that the spacers are incorrect.
So you got a good hub for a reasonable price, why not just scource the right spacers, job done.
EDIT: Hang on a minute
Where does his thread say 'it's a functioning QR hub'
What I read was this
All bought for projects and are now surplus to requirements
NONE of these hubs have been built up by myself, I can not garrentee the condition of the bearings the ones in the qr hub don't seem that smooth.
Mate you are the idiot.
If I was Ian I would not only be pissed off you had made a thread like this, I would carry on ignoring you and let you sort the problem out yourself.
What a merchant banker!
I've sold about a dozen things in the last 3 weeks. I haven't logged onto the email address used for a week. Am i bad man? Have i done wrong? no, i am just a normal bloke selling a few things to help people out/clear my shed.
I wouldn't consider not responding within 3 days a problem.
As an aside, if you were to try to take this further ie small claims court. You haven't given Ian enough time to respond, so your claim would fail as you have not given ian a reasonable amount of time to respond. I think there is case law that suggests 28 days is considered reasonable..
'adds scunny to the list of folk to never ever deal with'
Mate you are the idiot.If I was Ian I would be pissed off you had made a thread like this, carry on ignoring you and let you sort the problem out yourself
Looking at some of your other posts, it would seem you're a more mature gentleman. Which is why it's baffling to me that your responses mirror those of a 15 year old.
"a thread like this" - Like what exactly? Not once have i flamed Ian, accused him of scamming me or slandered him in any way. I think you'll find i've been pretty factual throughout. In fact, a few posts up i even claim that i [b][i]didn't[/i][/b] think Ian was trying to scam me, and that it was probably just an honest mistake.
The outcome of all this is irrelevant. I've certainly got my moneys worth of enjoyment out of this thread.
(I just checked my account, it was actually £15 not £13 😮 )
But, as a seller you assume the responsibility to sell the product you are describing it to be. He said it was a functioning QR hub, why would i disbelieve him?
I am not saying you dont have an issue but most folk are questioning how you have dealt with it. You bought what you had seen in a picture and even you accept it was [probably]a genuine mistake yet you post a thread entitled ianpinder give me my money back - when in fact you are actually waiting for a free part to fix something he [ nor you] did not know about when he sold it and you wonder why people are flaming you.
IYou have a right to redress but you have taken the nuclear option over a very cheap part where the OP has agreed to fix at his cost rather than tell you to F off. All he appears to have done so far is not answer an e-mail very quickly. Seriously this is no reason [ yet] for the slagging and title you have given him. you deserve remedy but he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
EDIT: actually reading the above you deserve the hub inserted into an orifice that will keep you off the bike for a few weeks
As an aside, if you were to try to take this further ie small claims court. You haven't given Ian enough time to respond, so your claim would fail as you have not given ian a reasonable amount of time to respond. I think there is case law that suggests 28 days is considered reasonable..
Are you kidding?
Whilst i appreciate your input and you've made yourself look ever so clever by trying to reference some case law, i think talking about small claims courts is a little drastic don't you?
I am not saying you dont have an issue but most folk are questioning how you have dealt with it. You bought what you had seen in a picture and even you accept it was [probably]a genuine mistake yet you post a thread entitled ianpinder give me my money back - when in fact you are actually waiting for a free part to fix something he [ nor you] did not know about when he sold it and you wonder why people are flaming you.
IYou have a right to redress but you have taken the nuclear option over a very cheap part where the OP has agreed to fix at his cost rather than tell you to F off. All he appears to have done so far is not answer an e-mail very quickly. Seriously this is no reason [ yet] for the slagging and title you have given him. you deserve remedy but he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
A reasonable response, shocking.
I agree, perhaps the thread title may be a little to the point, c'est la vie.
Slagging? Where?
yes very drastic after all you titled this about getting your money back have you changed your mind yet? Presumably you think that title is reasonable - it is certainly not accurate as you are waiting for a part.
No one has agreed with you. Have a think and stop making yourself look even more of a male hen than you already look
go on flame me instead of thinking
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Its evident you were an idiot even before you left your daddies nut sack
I think it's amazing that some people can reply within hours or even minutes when buying or selling stuff but as soon as it goes tits up its fine to take days to reply.
Agreed. But if you look at Ian Pinders profile he hasn't been on here since wednesday.
How quickly do you think it should take someone to order a part, receive it then forward it to you then scunny? Bearing in mind that he's not dealing with this stuff full time and it's probably costing him about £15 to sort you out?
Also, if Ian has said that he'll post out the correct part it appears that he can only get to the Post Office on Mondays. See original thread for details.
I'd give him a bit more time before naming and shaming.
Is Scunny short for S****horpe? 😉
seems to be an S and a HORPE too long
AN OUTRAGE!
scunny - MemberHub was paid for on 5th May. It arrived on the 13th. An email was sent that day, Ian agreed to send the correct axle. Sent an email on Wednesday to see if it had been sent, nothing. Email again yesterday, nothing.
[b][u]Why does where i post have any impact on this? I'm posting on the site, about an issue that occurred through the site.[/b][/u]
Posted 3 hours ago # Report-Post
It has nothing to do with this site, you decided to make a private purchase, and you should give Ian a reasonable time to sort it, perhaps he is ill, perhaps he has had a bereavement.
Or hjust perhjaps he is peed off with you slaging him off on an internet site.
LOL.
It was fun for a while, but i'll leave now and wait and see what happens. STW has a reputation for having a more mature user group, but I'm sure some of you are .
Well that's not very nice is it?
A new one is only £40. What are you, poor or something.
I bet ianpinder is out punching baby robins in the face as we speak
What a ****
How about OK yes sorry I just needed it for x but yes I see your point I will be patient and see what comes up. if he sorts me out I will post up to say what a top guy he is if not I will post another shitty thread.
Speaks volumes for you that you would insult us all like that for not agreeing with you. Obviously everyone else is wrong except you 🙄
Personally I hope he has not sent it yet and he tells you to go swivel i will proper LOL then
Me to!
STW has a reputation for having a more mature user group...
Where did you hear that ?
at school
Speaks volumes for you that you would insult us all like that for not agreeing with you.
I think it speaks volumes that he uses
as an insult. NOT VERY NICE.
scunny, earlier today
Ian is a sound bloke and will not mess you about. He has a very stressful job and works long hours.
So unfortunatley can go days without checking his e mail! Who would have thought it??
SOme people do have a life outside of the tinterweb!
Best thread since "Ti-pinman" and the CDs which never showed up! 😆
In all fairness to the......... op I did forget to post the adaptors like I promised last Sunday.
Scummy email me your bank details and I'll refund you the whole £15 and an extra £2 for postage back to me.
When I get home in about 4 hours I'll put up a proper defence.
Oh and thanks to everyone for sticking up for me
Ha! Ha! Ian Pinder guilty as charged.
Scunny 1. STW 0.
Good thread. Good laugh.
Moral - Don't take on the ' inner circle'
Ian is hardly one of the "inner circle" - see the flaming he got a while ago.
Scunny has made himself look a complete twerp IMO
I don't think anyone came out of this looking that good really.
This is a useful thread, I've picked up about 5 or 6 people who I know never to trade with, because they think it's perfectly OK to send the wrong bits as long as it's only a few quid, and that people should keep quiet about it if it happens, and sell the parts on Ebay if they're no use, and also if they describe an item wrongly it doesn't count if the picture shows the mistake- that's the buyer's problem not the seller.
Not that the OP's doing too well either, it's a classic lose-lose thread
Ian came out of this exactly as described by most people on this thread eg Honest
Most folks wren't having a go at scunny regarding the issue, just his attitude
Northwind +1
i'm sure if it had been ianpinder waiting for scunny to make things right, the pitch forks would already be sharpened...
STW has a reputation for having a more mature user group...
I've never been called mature before 🙂
Scummy is still wrong.
These threads are damaging in many ways, both in terms of the classifieds on stw and people who might be looking in from an outside perspective.
Intact the title of the thread is shocking.
I did not receive an email on Wednesday saying he had not received them!!
(scummy if you did please provide a screen grab for proof I'm not saying you didn't, I'm just saying I didn't receive it)
Regardless of that I only agreed to post the correct adaptors on the Sunday. I would of posted them second class, so even if I had posted them on Monday there might be a chance of him not receiving them by now.
So the only email I have recieved from you since saying I'll send the part out was yesterday at 14:11
Still not received the correct parts for the hub.Please refund and i'll send the hub back
You didn't even wait a day before posting this thread. I mean WTF I'm assuming the only life you lead is one which evolves around a computer.
What happened to waiting for a reply!!!!! Yeah if you had waited a week for a reply then ask ste if anyone had seen me. Not something like Ian pinder give me my money back.
I read this thread before i got your email...
The first I heard about this was one of my friends ringing me up and telling me about it you impatient .
You think it's not bad mouthing me. This is where your wrong, it implies that I did something maliciously wrong. (honestly forgetting to post something out is not wrong)
The thread title suggests that I agreed to give you money which I'm now either trying to get out of paying you or trying to fob you off. Which are both not true. You posted this thread before i knew you had even asked me for a refund!!
Oh and by the way, I'm not getting home until midnight so if you don't recieve you money until then don't go crying yours eyes out.
So the first contact since
yeah!
yeah!
I have only just started using this forum again and unfortunaltey i have come to the conclusion a lot of the members are complete idiots and have nothing better to do than comment on threads to aggravate people.
The OP started a serious thread and lots of people have just posted shite on here. Leave the guy alone FFS. All these posts with people getting personal is really sad, grow up. Someone even stated a new one is £40 and suggested he might be poor. Very sad whoever wrote that. I remember them being as cheap as £45 on chain reaction so your wrong there pal.
It sounds like the seller is a reasonable guy so hopefully this will get sorted, but it's funny how when sellers are selling they reply straight away then once the deal is done they aren't so quick to reply.
It was out of order for Ian to call the OP scummy though, seriously not clever.
Most people have a smart phone so have easy access to email.
Mine are delivered straight to my phone. In this case I imagine there was a reason why the seller didn't reply but as a buyer it can be very frustrating when you can't get hold of the seller.
On a general note, there are a lot of serious questions asked on this site and unfortunately too many idiots on here that think it's funny to most crap and take the p1ss.
If you haven't got anything constructive to add don't bother posting.
Amen.
EDIT: Maybe scunny was expecting the apocalypse and wanted his money before he died?
Northwind - do you check your email every single day?
Pastcaring - the difference I would of not posted this thread 20 hours after sending an email.
Also, the original item was described as buy as seen and was dispatched and recieved in reasonable time!
So this whole issue was for a free part that I said I would send him as I had lying around, which was only fair to him.
And this has taken 5 days.... Which isn't even along time.
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[/url]scunny - MemberIt was fun for a while, but i'll leave now and wait and see what happens. STW has a reputation for having a more mature user group, but I'm sure some of you are .
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[/url]scunny - MemberAs a rule, i tend not to argue with idiots. They clutch at straws, and when they're struggling to prove a point, they'll resort to personal insults.
Interesting strategy, you could probably confuse a stupid person with that. Who exactly is the idiot?
You folks wouldn't last 5mins in Spain with this level of patience. 😆
It was out of order for Ian to call the OP scummy though, seriously not clever.
Oops, sorry I actually didn't mean this, my phone auto corrects scunny to scummy.
where these threads are about genuine con artists it is important but this has resolved exactly like it would have if this thread had never occurred IMHO
PS scunny dont ever buy some mint sauce trinkets.