[Closed] I need a full Susser !!

I noticed the other evening that softer pressures made my HT a lot nicer, I dropped them down to 25 or so tubeless and was loads softer and felt great.

It's a 29 er hardtail you have isn't it ? Would it take 27.5 plus ? My Solaris is pretty comfy , the tyres add a bit of comfort at 15 or so psi and I find it great fun to ride

Lets cut to the chase here Renton.
You have a history of changing bikes because none of them are right for you.
You then tell us you've hardly ridden for a couple of years.
This might sound harsh but it has to be said.
It's not the bikes(any of them) it's you.
I'm not trying to insult you but just take the bike you have or any bike it doesn't matter and ride it.
Then when you've ridden it to death decide what you do and don't like about it and try a few test bikes.
Then maybe think about replacing it.

It's not the bike. It's just not. Nobody enjoys riding as much as they would like when they have been off the bike and are not fit. I suggest keep the current bike, keep riding, improve your fitness and see if it gets better. You will need to be patient. Why not give it a try? It then you still don't like the bike, consider something else.

In terms of bike choice, hardtails can be a joy, if the terrain is right. I ride both hardtails and FS (as well as full rigid) and choose the right bike according to mood and where I am riding. Does space and funds allow for more than 1 bike? You might have to accept that a mid spec hardtail and a mid spec FS might be a better option for you in the long run than a single high spec bike? Don't do that yet though, persevere with the current one.

Swap to a FS now and it will be 'too heavy' or some other niggle/excuse. Accept that riding won't be as much fun until your fitness improves, but the effort will be worth it. Hardtails can be great, just give it a try.

Ok, the following is about me, not renton. So we are clear.

I got to a stage where building up bikes, upgrading them, rebuilding them (for no real reason) became more attractive than riding them.

I threw money at upgrades, tools etc as well.... it felt good. Suffering from depression didn't help, mind.

Even so,I lost sight of the basics. A bike just became a machine. Nothing more than a PC on a desk to tinker around with. The riding almost became an inconvenience/ irrelevance.

For reasons I won't go into, this year might be my last chance to ride the SDW again (been putting that off since I first ride it back in 2010!). That's really made me evaluate a few things.

I recently(ish) built up a second-hand frame/ bike and as usual enjoyed it. Trouble is,I knew I had to RIDE it this time to make the investment even remotely worth it and to actually help me with a few things in life. Worrying lack of fitness (48yo), weight, depression and a few other things.

So that's what I've been doing. I ride to the shops, to mates or actual off road riding. Heck, straight tarmac if I can't be asked to get muddy! Lol

I'm getting there. Slowly. Pun intended.

I still tinker with the idea of upgrades. No doubt I will buy more bits over time. However at least I can now kind of justify it as I am riding the bike. 🙂

On Thursday I am setting off to wild camp** the SDW over the course of a few days on a bike and tyres more suited to the Alps. 🙂

It's going to hurt and I don't know if I will make it. Bike making an odd noise from linkage (I think) and was contemplating replacing all the bearings and putting off the ride/small adventure....

Just another excuse.

Before you know it winter is here and I will ride the SDW "next year for sure".

If the bike breaks, or I do, at least I gave it a good go. 🙂

Deliberately NOT mentioned the actual bike I'm riding as it really is Not About The Bike.

The above is about me and me only. I don't presuppose to think other people might feel the same or relate to what I have said.

There you go though. I throw my self psycho-analyst at the SDW communal feet! 😀

Back on topic,I hope you really find what you are looking for renton.

** Bivvy, no change of clothes, some tools and a debit card. My back can barely cope with the bladder full in the camelback since neurosurgery.
Nothing will be left behind, just a flattened bit of grass in the morning.

Not camping, just going to "fall asleep next to the bike." 🙂

Best of luck poopscoop!

^^^^ What he said !!

Fair play to you poopscoop.

Maybe I do need to have a good look at myself.

Cheers all.

Poopscoop - Member
On Thursday I am setting off to wild camp** the SDW over the course of a few days

In light of all you have said (and alluded too), chapeau! and all the best with it.

Apologies to the OP for sliding a tad OT.

Maybe I do need to have a good look at myself.

renton
Fair play to you poopscoop.

Maybe I do need to have a good look at myself

Sorry mate, really didn't mean it that way.

It's just for myself I had to take a round about route to find what biking is to me now rather than what it used to be years back.

What you want from biking and what it means to you are no doubt very different. Which is absolutely fine!

I'm trying to say that my post wasn't meant to be negative in anyway.

Apart from the negative aspects I point out about myself! Lol

Yes, everything really is about me, me, me. 😀

(Thanks for the well wishes guys and sorry to go off topic renton.)

Poopscoop- flipping heck, bravo.
Renton - I find Riding with mates gets me out more and banter is very important to a ride. Being egged over a dodgy plank over a ravine full of murky water makes a fun ride.

Good luck chaps.

Poopscoop.

A lot of your post I can relate to if I'm honest. I think I do enjoy the buying and selling part a little more than riding if I'm honest.

That never used to be the case and Im not sure what's made me change.

renton - Member

Poopscoop.

A lot of your post I can relate to if I'm honest. I think I do enjoy the buying and selling part a little more than riding if I'm honest.

That never used to be the case and Im not sure what's made me change.

With me the change started when one day I realised what I was doing. No epiphany or anything. Just started to sink in that the bike is worse than useless if I didn't ride it.

I know, I know... its so obvious. I just got sidetracked somewhere along the way.

No idea why I got myself into that mindset. Just life I suppose. lol

Oh, also doing the whole low carb diet thing too. Will be breaking it for the SDW though. Flapjacks and a bit of whisky before I sleep.... as I get what I call my "Blair Witch half hour"..... where I start to imagine a pile of sticks or stones arranged next to me during the night!! Whisky helps with that. 😉

No beer.... The seat tube was too long to get the dropper post low enough so as my legs weren't over extending whilst pedaling.
I could of got rid of the dropper but really like them.

Hence if it was an inch shorter in the seat tube it would of been ideal.

And based on that you decided it would be better to sell the Salsa on, rather than try a different dropper (less travel), or other alternative?

After reading the thread where you immediately sold it on for a profit, I was tempted to suggest we should leave you to your own stupidity, but to your credit you were man enough to admit you were being a dick, and greedy.

A lot of your post I can relate to if I'm honest. I think I do enjoy the buying and selling part a little more than riding if I'm honest.

Good to see you are being realistic. Go out for a ride and enjoy the bike you have!

Look I can't keep apologizing for what happened with the salsa can I.

I was hoping things had moved on since then but I guess not.

If you're after a buying and selling rather than doing hobby, can I suggest getting a guitar, amp and loads of pedals? You can lose yourself in making silly noises whilst forever hunting 'your' sound. 😉 Or just accept that for quite a while going mountain biking is going to be more brutal than fun, until your fitness adapts.

Some people are like dogs with bones on here.

I personally can't wait to hook up as I'm riding your HT to see if its better than the t130. I don't understand your HT phobia but obviously I understand the logic that HTs are more harsh than FSs, anyone who can't grasp that is completely crazy IMO.

If you want a FS, don't let anyone else try to persuade you otherwise.

It's an easy trap to fall into, if I just have that new/fork/wheels/boost this/carbon that..everything will be perfect,all bullshit of course. Don't get sucked in, ride.. pedal further.

A lot of your post I can relate to if I'm honest. I think I do enjoy the buying and selling part a little more than riding if I'm honest.

That never used to be the case and Im not sure what's made me change.

I'm sure I said something similar earlier in this thread; when you were still in denial 🙂

To be fair, it is indeed an easy trap into which to fall. There are lots of smart people whose only job is to make you feel dissatisfied about your bike and once you realise that you can actually afford to buy shiny new things it's hard to resist the temptation.

Personally I find that keeping a record of everything helps. Then when I feel the urge for something new I can look at my stats and realise that I'm just being daft.

My £0.02; Rents seems to be spending a lot of money by trying not to spend a lot of money.
He'd probably be best off demo-ing a LOT of nice bikes, not reading too much about them then deciding on exactly what he wants and saving up or getting 0%. This buying and selling might be fun but (with the exception of the Salsa 😉 ) costs a few quid to do.

Renton , I think your mtb buying is similar to my putter buying when I used to play golf . I bought lots of different putters and every time I bought a new one I visualised holing putts from all over the place but when I used the new putter in anger it always worked out to be no better than the putter it had replaced . After a while , a lot of putters and a decent sum of money , I finally realised that somebody who is good at putting can do it with virtually any putter .

Renton.

I think you need something to aim for, a goal, something personal to you, something you can get your teeth into to motivate you. Concentrate on that, commit to it.

I entered straffpuffa this year and it made me ride even when the weather was bad as I had a goal.

I noticed my fitness improving with every ride and it made a big difference on the day. I concentrated on beating my own pbs and friends I rode with but not top tens I had no chance of getting.

I was still average, I got overtaken, but I was proud of my own effort and I didn't let the team down.

damascus - Member

Renton.

I think you need something to aim for, a goal, something personal to you, something you can get your teeth into to motivate you. Concentrate on that, commit to it.

I entered straffpuffa this year and it made me ride even when the weather was bad as I had a goal.

I noticed my fitness improving with every ride and it made a big difference on the day. I concentrated on beating my own pbs and friends I rode with but not top tens I had no chance of getting.

I was still average, I got overtaken, but I was proud of my own effort and I didn't let the team down.

I think the problem with that is that unless the goal is all consuming then the problem of enjoyment and desire kicks into the equation.

Becuase he's currently fat and slow, he's not enjoying it... because his bike isn't helping him then that means it's a vicious circle of enjoying it less because of the bike... Which then means he doesn't get out because he fails to enjoy it all round.

The new bike being a FS may help with the comfort/enjoyment which in turn will help pushing up the fitness, dropping the weight and the ever decreasing circle goes in reverse....

Of course, the opposite may happen and he just finds out he's fat and slow on whatever bike and wastes money 🙂

I do agree though that an event can give that push, mine was the trip i've got coming up next weekend and the events in July of the SDW double, that's pushed my weight down and fitness up.

Of course, the opposite may happen and he just finds out he's fat and slow on whatever bike and wastes money.

This. Note that numerous FS bikes have been dispensed with for feeble reasons almost as quickly as the current one.

Renton, what do you actually want from MTb'ing? If it's to get fitter then a few times areouns Swinley over a couple of weeks/months ain't going to cut it regardless of bike. If it's just enjoyment then, my suggestion is that you look to ride somewhere else other than Swinley. Which, in my experience is a pretty woeful pedalfest. being a serial bike swapper is fine, if that's what you enjoy. It's your money. Perhaps avoid starting an new thread waxing lyrical about your new bike then another thread a week later saying how it's not for you. You won't get such grief that way!

I rode Swinley a few weeks back. If that was my local regular ride I'd probably take up golf instead. A pretty uninspiring place to ride. Admittedly here in the SW we're pretty spoilt for good places to ride.

I bought a couple of bikes last year and spend plenty on bits/kit so get that there is enjoyment with new stuff buzz. But for me it it's the trails and the people that inspire me to get out riding.

Yes I was often at the back struggling to keep up with the quicker guys, but my fitness has improved hugely since getting into riding properly around a year ago. If I was riding round Swinley on my own I would have given up.

Find some folks to ride with and go ride some nice trails, you'll forget all about the bike and start enjoying the experience.

From my limited experience of Swinley but also feedback from friends who visit regularly, it's the kind of place that's only fun if you have decent pedalling fitness. Hillier places you can suffer the climb, stop and rest and then enjoy a gravity assisted descent but Swinley basically demands you pedal when you're trying to have fun.

I prefer buying stuff to riding I reckon. I'm broke though, so it's normally shoes/pedals/grips. I start looking for my next bike as soon as I've settled on the current one.

No harm/shame in it, if it makes you happy do it. I dont understand how people are still riding round on 12 year old bikes.

prawny- Member
I dont understand how people are still riding round on 12 year old bikes.

No need to kick a man when he's down.

My two cents - set yourself some do-able targets on Strava like 1,000m climbing a week or 4hrs riding, and gradually increase them as you get fitter.

It'll start out feeling like a chore, then become a habit and you'll enjoy it more and more as you see results.

From my limited experience of Swinley but also feedback from friends who visit regularly, it's the kind of place that's only fun if you have decent pedalling fitness.

Depends what you consider fun, but I reckon it's actually a good place to get fitter because you do need to pedal to get anything out of it.

My advice would be to spend more time researching some rides you want to do rather than what you want to do them on.

Sod Swinley, I'm sure it's a fun place, but maybe give yourself a bit of a road trip to Wales, Lakes, or Scotland. Don't fixate on the bike, it will be just fine, and if you're spending more of your effort looking at the view, or looking forward to the next big descent, you will quickly forget what bike you're on.

It isn't about the bike. Sometimes it's about where the bike can take you.

Not gonna lie, didn't read all the previous pages but there's a couple of important points here:

1. "MTFU". That's unfair, he's RAF remember

2. Mboy has to make a living

3. Don't discourage, his threads are fun!

Ha, yes ?I do come across as an attention whore, my bad.

So having had a think about it Ive decided to give the bike a bit more time.

Im going to ride some local stuff and see how it goes.

I know I need to get fitter and Im working on that. I just remember how good I was at riding a few years back and it pisses me off Im nowhere near that good now and I find it really frustrating.

renton - Member

Ha, yes ?I do come across as an attention whore, my bad.

So having had a think about it Ive decided to give the bike a bit more time.

Im going to ride some local stuff and see how it goes.

I know I need to get fitter and Im working on that. I just remember how good I was at riding a few years back and it pisses me off Im nowhere near that good now and I find it really frustrating.

But there's no reason apart from you that you cannot be back to your peak. Many on here are at their lifetime fastest/fittest/best at the moment, myself included, the only thing stopping you is you... You have to get past the frustration and put in the hours, and hours, and hours.... even at slower pace than you'd like

Just to chip in...

Hardtails are ace but they do take some getting used. As many have already said, stick with it a bit longer and maybe try to find some more natural trails that won't give you such a beating. Keeping your feet clipped in and being comfortable on drops is technique that will come with time.

As a side note a couple of years ago I treated my self to what I thought would be my 'wonder bike' I wanted to love it but it took me a good year to realise it just wasn't for me. Not sure the point I'm making, I guess it's that not every bike suits every rider but it did take a lot of time in the saddle to work that out.

The thing is, on the right trail this bike is really good, it rails the berms like no ones business and just wants to go fast. However on the sit down pedally stuff its got quite a harsh rear end, I tried lower psi in the tyre and it was squirming around all over the place.

My fitness isnt allowing me to go fast all the time though.

Why not try flats and trainers instead of clipping in? That way you won't need to wear specific shoes to ride your bike and may be more inclined to take it out locally.

The sit down pedally stuff that's knackering you out maybe needs a higher gear and for you to be out of the seat and soaking it up with your legs rather than sitting and spinning like you would on a FS. There's a field near us with a lovely trail across it but it's been ploughed in the past and has little rhythmy whoops and bumps all the way across it. I can sit and pedal on my FS but I need to stand up and pedal [i]when I can[/i] on my HT. Different techniques, innit?

Try changing your rear tyre and not the bike.

However on the sit down pedally stuff its got quite a harsh rear end,

Unfortunately that's hardtail for you, it's technique that'll come with practice. Because you can't really sit down and grind through it like a full sus, you'll find that you do a mix of sitting, standing and hovering that is constantly adjusting to what you're riding through.

You'll also find your line choice will improve massively as a result and you'll naturally find the smoother bits and ways of weighting/unweighting the bike that'll smooth it out (to a degree!) and allows you to carry speed that gets around not being able to pedal everywhere.

If you persevere with it the above will all improve your riding regardless of what bike you ride.

I'm 6 months post op on a big knee op. Each of my rides hurts and I am bascially pootling at around 8mph on the road, on my parkwood. It's not great riding, but I am getting out and about and I know already that I can build it up slowly, started at 3 miles, now on 13 last night.

Fitness comes so slowly but at the same time, does catch up when you are riding regularly. As others have said, take every opportunity you can to ride ride ride. 1 mile here and there adds up and it soon becomes fun.

Until that's sorted, you wont really enjoy riding any bike. Or you will but you need to hone in your expectations. You can't "rail a berm" as you say unless you have some speed and you can't get speed unless you are rolling downhill or have some fitness. Even popping a wheel takes effort and isn't easy when you are unfit.

However on the sit down pedally stuff its got quite a harsh rear end

My hardtails have never felt harsh on the back except when I've taken them to Swinley - and the older one was a Mk2 Cotic Soul, far from harsh. Blame the trail (and your fitness), not the bike!

So is it agreed then that Swinley isnt the best pace to get used to a bike !!

renton - Member

So is it agreed then that Swinley isnt the best pace to get used to a bike !!

I'm still baffled every time by the Swinley dislike... I love the place.

Tell you what, here's a plan for you, take the White to a village not far from you called Nuffield. From there, head to the church and just past the Church go through the gate.

That there is Grims Ditch. First half is techincally Footpath... but i don't let it bother/stop me...

Ride down that.... then come back and tell me how the Whyte is....

The PArkwood down there absolutely flies, despite it being rooty, you can pop/jump most bits etc... It's the best decent you'll find locally and within a decent ride distance. Ride it all the way to the bottom at the roundabout just by Wallingford.

Go... go now... yes, right now !

Go... go now... yes, right now !

But put your [s]special[/s] specific shoes on first...

Weeksy, I had a walk up it the other day with the dog and it looks to be quite interesting !!

You can ride up the first half, then throw a right/left/right to the top, which is a little tougher IMO than the first half, then riding down it all is GREAT.

Or buy my t129 frame and forks;-)

😳

Once you've bought that, bring the Whyte frame over to mine, i'll take it 🙂

distinct lack of flouncing on this thread.
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@ v666ern.... Blood pressure pills keeping me hear rate down mate !

Out of interest if I were to consider selling the frame on its own what sort of price would you put it up for?

i wouldnt that would mean i was selling your bike...take some more pills...

oh you meant that as a general question 😳

@renton FWIW i have a banshee spitfire and a kona entourage in the shed if your over the gloucestershire side of the country you can happily borrow (we have the 417 bikepark here and FOD locally. 🙂

I like these threads, they make my life seem not such of a mess as I'd previously thought.
Renton fella, haven't you upgraded everything on the whyte except the frame? Ergo, you only need a frame and you could swap all the new bits over to that and rebuild the whyte as stock - then you'd have 2 bikes, twice the fun!

Thanks for the offer bud !! Living in Oxford area currently but will bear it in mind.

Have you still got your rose 29er ?

I like these threads

They are great marketing for his 'buying bikes on the cheap and selling them for a profit' business I'm sure.

Out of interest if I were to consider selling the frame on its own what sort of price would you put it up for?

Took 4 pages but got there in the end...

Jesus!! Not much advice taken there renton already gauging a price for the frame

No not at all it was merely out of interest.

Fudge2902.. Wheels are running fine after the cracked rear hub had been sorted mate although I think the front one needs centering a bit 😉

And the prize for this year's best stealth add goes to.........

Oh dear..... Its not an ad. Ad's go in the classifieds.

Its not for sale !

renton - Member
@ v666ern.... Blood pressure pills keeping me hear rate down mate !

Out of interest if I were to consider selling the frame on its own what sort of price would you put it up for?

i reckon about £150... BTW you've got mail 😈
I'd actually be interest to know, if you want to see it frame only.

That's why I was asking.

It's got bang up to date geometry but Whyte won't sell it as a frame only hence the question.

Oh dear..... Its not an ad. Ad's go in the classifieds.

And if it doesn't sell in there? Youve just cut out the first step this time is all. Refining the sales channel...

Do you know what tomhoward this time you are the only person on this thread making snidey comments or what not.

If you are after a bite you are going to be very disappointed.

Most if not all other posters are offering advice. All you are offering? is some sort of poss taking.

Well done.

you live near the Chilterns, is that right? Almost perfect for hardtails really, but if you're not feeling the love, then get something else. I dunno what other folk do mountain biking for, but I do it for fun, and the bike is a massive part of it and if you want to change bikes; then do it. Life's too short

Ignore me - mark one Hors"e"thief is not going to cut the mustard. Move along , nothing to see here. For a moment I thought Karma would be full circle.

Price wise you can get similar frames for around £250 (Orange Clockwork) so second hand I reckon £100-150. Probably nearer £150 due to it being recent.

Oh, and I'll add my voice to the 'you need to give it a better go first' brigade. I love swapping bikes and parts but to buy one, upgrade it then not really use it before selling is daft.

Clockwork 120 is £379

and I'll add my voice to the 'you need to give it a better go first' brigade.

but sometimes, you just know it's not worth persevering with, I rode a Kona Explosif once (in the Chilts as it happens) and knew within 10 miles I'd never get on with it

Yup, I knew within a couple of rides that I didn't like the feel of a hardtail. Rigid - fine! Full suspension - fine! Just couldn't get on with how a HT felt, so moved them on. Maybe in time I'll try again and run the forks a lot stiffer..

Interesting point someone mentioned earlier actually.

To make me more inclined to ride those short little rides to the shops or whatever I now ride (unless I'm out for a planned for bit of distance) in normal clothing/ shoes. Just makes it that bit easier to just grab the bike and get going before you have time to think about it too much.

That said,I live in my Humvee shorts during spring/ summer anyway and ride flats which both helps with making the bike an easy choice for a few miles here and there.

Try a different kind of riding? A couple of days after my first Swinley ride I went and did this - www.hants.gov.uk/rh/cycling/watership-down.pdf. Nothing technical, no gnarr, but an absolutely beautiful ride. Beech lined byways, fantastic views from the top of the downs, a bit of climbing for your fitness. Couple of beers afterwards and it was an evening well spent.

All you are offering? is some sort of poss taking

Here they come ........

Toughen up princess 🙂
If you ignore good advice you're bound to get a bit of ribbing.

It's ok mate I've got my big boy pants on

All joking aside Renton you haven't helped yourself here, I've been In your shoes recently with lack of time on the bike lack of fitness etc while caring for my wife pre and post a spinal op. Sold my Horsethief to help with her medical bills and resigned myself to time away from mountain biking. Knowing how devastated I was with no bike my wife and kids surprised me with this

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Now I was in no shape fitness wise to ride like I did before I fact I think my first two rides involved throwing up my breakfast and being sore for days after. I got on that bike at every opportunity even to ride to the shops and for spins at night when my wife was settled.
The point I'm trying to make here is persevere with the bike your fitness will come back quicker than it went and your enjoyment of the bike will increase. It might not seem like it but you had a rational argument to buy the Whyte in the first place.