So having got some 2.35 TL Hans Dampfs on my flow rims tubeless a couple of months ago I was hoping it would be even easier to get a 2.25 Rocket Rons also TL on the same rim. Oh how wrong I good be. I think I nearly half killed myself just trying to get the damn things to inflate with a track pump and double quantities of notubes for the last hour.
So I now find myself on the verge of driving down the LBS to pick up one of those mini CO2 inflators.
Question is - are they that much more effective than going flat out with a track pump or am I likely throwing money away?
Some people report that CO2 makes the stans fluid go off. But you could use CO2 to seat the tyre then put stans in through the valve.
For seating either get a compressor, of build a ghetto coke bottle inflator (I did and it works brilliantly).
You need the right tool for the right job - therefore just buy a compressor.
Would a car spare wheel work like a ghetto coke bottle inflator/compressor? I always blow my car tyres up using my track pump.
A coke bottle with two valves from dead inner tubes through the top works for me - one with the valve core in that you fasten the pump to, one with the core out that you connect to the tyre with some tube; job's a good'un! Cheaper than a compressor or CO2 canisters and less faff than swapping tubes over from a single valve like you would have to do with a car tyre.
Is it that the tire is seating but isn't holding air, or it's simply that you can't blast enough air in to get the bead to seat on the rim?
If it's the latter I find a good splurge of washing up liquid or soapy water helps some tires slide nicely into position and seat properly...
The use of CO2 does speed up the formation of the buggers in Stans milk as it dissolves in the water content and changes the acidity in the mix which in the long run ties up the ammonium, The ammonia in the solution is what keeps it stable and stops it solidifying/turning into rubber. Try tyreinflators, they are the cheapest for the CO2 cartridges and the chuck you will need. Also try Bontrager TLR tyres, they are the best I have ever tried and seal easily with a pump and no need to half kill yourself!
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That's where you went wrong.
Eh? Nothing wrong with the rims. It's just that some tubeless tyres are easier to seat than others.
Have you tried the tip of inflating with a normal tube in, then remove just one side of the tyre, take the tube out and stick the valve in. That way you've only got to seat half the tyre, which makes things easier. Other tips (I've not tried this) include stretching an inner tube around the (half-seated) tyre to push it closer to the edge of the rim and create more of a seal.
I haven't tried this [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ghetto-tubeless-inflator-total-cost-9p ]Ghetto tubeless inflator[/url] yet, but when i take my first dabble into the tube free world it'll be my first port of call. If that doesn't work I'm lucky enough to have a tyre garage 4 doors down 🙂
The use of CO2 does speed up the formation of the buggers in Stans milk as it dissolves in the water content and changes the acidity in the mix which in the long run ties up the ammonium, The ammonia in the solution is what keeps it stable and stops it solidifying/turning into rubber.
Interesting. Always good to have a bit of science behind the claims.
I used to let the CO2 out once the tyre had seated, put the gunk in through the valve and then reinflate but time tried the 'pour the gunk in' first method. sounds like first way is best.
CO2 to seat the tyres, then let it out and pump up with track pump, as you I nearly killed myself just using a track pump.
Not sure if the CO2 making fluid go funny is an urban myth or not. 😕
A small smear of fairy liquid on the rim lip seemed to help too.
I love tubeless again (just)!
So I tried the coke bottle gizmo trick. However I had to go to Halfords and buy some tubing. Also Morrison's mineral water has now gone up to 17p for both flat and fizzy. Outrageous! There's probably a joke in there somewhere about inflation.
Anyway Coke bottle gizmo is ingenious and I think it would work for just about any other tyre I may have struggled with previously - but on its own didn't work on this thing. so out of desperation I tried doing the inflate tyre with tube in, then deflate - take out tube leaving one side of the bead still locked in. I tried this before and it failed miserably but I think it works better with proper tubeless bead - as they seem harder to dislodge from the rim when you take the tube out.
This time round bead stayed in on one side and the coke bottle gizmo inflated from there. [b]Success!!![/b] 😀
I was going to go for a ride later today but I think I'm now too knackered after all that.
Some of those compressors are temptingly cheap aren't they?
