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How many times do you see it, a family out for liesurely cycle ride, along the cycle path one evening. 2 kiddiewinks up front aged perhaps 10 & 12 both wearing helmets, Mummy in the middle, she's sensible she's wearing a helmet and then there's big bad Daddy at the back. He's clearly aware of the safety reasons for wearing a helmet as he's made his kids and wife wear one but not chosen to wear one himself, Daddy's a hypocrit, Daddy's a ****
This is gonna go well...
Forgo your medication this morning?
No. Daddy is an adult, and has the right to make his own decisions.
...or are you referring to yourself in the third person?
Daddy's so tired and skint he doesn't care if he lives or dies
Daddy cannot afford a helmet because he's spent all his money ensuring kids have decent helmets?
Daddy has done a risk assessment. Likelihood of falling and hitting head while pootling with the kids, virtually zero. Likelihood of the same event for the kids, high enough to warrant impact protection.
Yep, see it regularly. Does seem a little odd but as has been said, its his decision to have his wife and kids watch his brain leak out onto the path if he crashes.
Aldi are selling helmets for ten quid, they have the kite mark on, don't gimme skint.
Even for a pootle with the kids if you can increase your chances of not dieing, why wouldn't you?
Yes I agree it is his choice, I'm not ranting over it just observing.
I'd suggest it's more of a problem of setting an example to the kids.
Dad doesn't wear a helmet so therefor they aspire to not wearing a helmet. Explaining risk assessment to kids isn't going to be of any use!
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when I took the eldest to nursery by bike (kid seat) I wouldn't wear a helmet, child did. My reason was some research suggests you get more room from drivers going lidless so figured as not getting hit by a car was the most important thing. Pretty much every ride apart from that I wear a lid.Even for a pootle with the kids if you can increase your chances of not dieing, why wouldn't you?
Dad has made sure his kids are protected, wife is presumably made an adult decision to wear one whilst dad has chosen not to. I'm guessing this was a pootle round the park or similar? Can't see the problem TBH.
Standard risk assessment innit.
Probability of accident on a scale of 1 to 5 while ridinga bicycle at little more than walking pace;
Novice child=4,
Experienced adult=1.
Likely seriousness of accident on a scale of 1 to 5;
Novice child=3,
Experienced adult=1.
Total score;
Less than 3 = no helmet required
3 or above = helmet required.
Daddy's a ****
I'm not ranting
Not much...
surprised daddy wasnt wearing the stromtrooper kit i saw him wearing at swinley last week.
I'd suggest it's more of a problem of setting an example to the kids.Dad doesn't wear a helmet so therefor they aspire to not wearing a helmet. Explaining risk assessment to kids isn't going to be of any use!
This
Likely seriousness of accident on a scale of 1 to 5
twos issues
1. I fall from further so I hit the ground with more force- not sure why mine is lower can you explain?
2. It is what i hit/what hits me that causes the damages- soft foam = fine and unlikely = van wing mirror being driven at 40 = not fine big rock = not good etc
3.I will be going faster
I disagree with your assessment,
I am less likely to fall I agree but i am just as likely if no tmore so to be hurt from the fall
If you're on a cycle path at the edge of road other car users can act in unexpected ways, like pulling out for example. If you're in a park or along the canal there are a few things that can act in unexpected ways, other kids for example running or cycling, loose dogs etc.
If you can increase your chances of not dieing, why wouldn't you?
dad may wear a helmet everytime he goes shredding the gnar and has explained to the kids about risk. Heck he may have busted his lid the day before or just, you know, forgotten to bring it out with him.Dad doesn't wear a helmet so therefor they aspire to not wearing a helmet. Explaining risk assessment to kids isn't going to be of any use!
Lot of guesswork and projection for what seems to be a very minor [s]incident[/s] [s]matter[/s] bunching of the OPs gusset
BTW you're going to be pretty hard pushed not to do something hypocritical as a parent, I think aslong as you explain why you're not doing what you routinely tell the kids to do and they accept it there shouldn't be a problem.
MTQG has missed the point - it is just about setting an example not about the actual risk at that moment - you feel the littleuns need to wear one so you should too just to show it is normal. It's no different to having a rantette about the kids finishing everything on their plate but leaving all the greens on your own at the same time and not looking a pillock.
Am a total, total hypocrite though. The school I work at has a helmet must be worn rule for the kids which I flaunt daily on my 400yd ride through the village and to my dept without thinking once about the example it sets 😳
I'm not a hypocrite, my lad hasn't got one on either.
That better?
Why are the kids wearing helmets?
This is not a dangerous activity that requires PPE:
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When you go for a ride with kids do you race them? 🙂I will also be going faster as well
I dont like seeing kids wear helmets.
Theyll hate wearing em think cycling is at best for goons, at worst dangerous, stop cycling at 13, get a Saxo at 17. Mow some poor sod over at 21 or at least get fat from inactivity and have wasted lives as big blobs of fat.
He's clearly aware of the safety reasons for wearing a helmet as he's made his kids and wife wear one
My "wife" can make her own decisions.
I don't wear a helmet. My daughter does. She's much more likely to fall over and hit her head, and her head is softer. She did once ask why I didn't wear a helmet, I told her that my head was harder than hers.
Being guilted into wearing safety equipment I don't need is just as bad an example to kids as the opposite.
Are you wearing a helmet now? Do you you wear one when you drive a car? 😈 You are far more likely to die behind the wheel of a car than on your pushbikeIf you can increase your chances of not dieing, why wouldn't you?
Daddy's an adult who may occasionally use colourful language, drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes.
Daddy may stay up late watching telly or use the computer when ever he wants.
Because daddy does this should little johnny feel that he should also .
No because little johnny should understand he is a kid and daddy is daddy.
Do as I say and not as I do.
1. I fall from further so I hit the ground with more force- not sure why mine is lower can you explain?
2. It is what i hit/what hits me that causes the damages- soft foam = fine and unlikely = van wing mirror being driven at 40 = not fine big rock = not good etc
3.I will be going fasterI disagree with your assessment,
I am less likely to fall I agree but i am just as likely if no tmore so to be hurt from the fall
I agree with MTG's original assessment, I can only remember two JRA accidents in all the years I've been biking arround. One was on a wet tramline in Sheffield, the other was on some spilt diesel in the rain at a give way line. I think I probably have more trips and stumbles walking arround than I do near misses whilst pootling on bikes.
This is not a dangerous activity that requires PPE
This I agree with.
Having said that I'd still wear a helmet, but it's a personal choice.
Daddy has done a risk assessment. Likelihood of falling and hitting head while pootling with the kids, virtually zero. Likelihood of the same event for the kids, high enough to warrant impact protection.
i don't wear a helmet when I'm riding with my 2yr son because I'm worried about falling off, I do it because he insists that daddy put his 'bikeat' on.....
Daddy's a violent drunk and the wife's too scared to mention it?
What if its not their Daddy? 😯
Daddy has read all about someone banging on about rotational injuries and got scared.
I went out for a couple of miles with Warton junior(4).
We averaged 7mph.
I run faster than that. where do i buy running helmets?
tinas your anecdotes about your accidents do not negate the fact that adults are higher up than kids and therefore fall from further and hit with more force
nor do the negate the other points
It's a transition stage so daddy doesn't have to?
Daddy puts helmets on children, helmets not fitted properly, are loose, are tilted back leaving huge amount of forehead exposed to smack in to the ground
Wearing a helmet on a cycle path........how did I ever survive my childhood without one? Daddy won't have a bell next.
I'd suggest it's more of a problem of setting an example to the kids.
+1
Wearing a helmet on a cycle path........how did I ever survive my childhood without one? Daddy won't have a bell next.
That's the problen thought THM, you survived hence you can type on here, literally millions didn't.
Saw a good one yesterday. Dad with helmet on, two children without. Bit of a twist on this thread...
Daddy puts helmet on child because he loves him dearly and wants to protect him.
Daddy does not wear one as does not feel one is necessary for him and as an adult is free to make that decision.
stranger comes over and points that he is a hypocrite and a **** in his actions and should wear a helmet also.
Daddy tells stranger to frank bough and mind his own business and there is only one lady part here.
Brilliant - thought the OP got idiotic post of the month till stabilizer piped up
Wearing a helmet on a cycle path........how did I ever survive my childhood without one
same way we all survived without seatbelts and with cars that had shit brakes and did not adhere to crash standards
Shall we return to it because it was safe as we survived?
The main problems here is that those who did not are not here to talk about it
FWIW I also survived my folks smoking around me and my dad doing 120[ on a B road ] in a rover 35000 with 7 in it so i can assume that is safe as well
One tries.
I have 2 boys (aged 6 and 4), I try to set a good example to them.
So when we go riding bikes we wear helmets, simple.
That being said we will be riding to half term sports club this week and then I'll go on to work and so I'm vaguely presentable, I'll not wear a helmet. Let's see of he notices... not entirely sure what I'll say if he does.
Standard risk assessment innit.Probability of accident on a scale of 1 to 5 while ridinga bicycle at little more than walking pace;
Novice child=4,
Experienced adult=1.
Likely seriousness of accident on a scale of 1 to 5;
Novice child=3,
Experienced adult=1.Total score;
Less than 3 = no helmet required
3 or above = helmet required.
Of course, you're making the assumption that daddy on his £80 Tesco full suspension weapon is an experienced adult (rider) when in reality, it could well be that 'novice' child who rides his bike at every opportunity up and down the street is a better rider than daddy who hasn't touched anything with two wheels since he was a kid, 30 years ago.
Of course, everyone can do whatever they want. Personally, my kids don't get on a bike without a helmet on and neither do I, even if its just for a pootle around the park.
Junkyard, difference is your dad was breaking the law.
winston - Member
Brilliant - thought the OP got idiotic post of the month till stabilizer piped up
Posts like this don't add anything to the debate whatsoever and appear to be trolling.
That's the problen thought THM, you survived hence you can type on here, literally millions didn't.
I literally think you don't know what literally means.
My little girl holds an adult's hand when she crosses the road. Should I do the same to set an example?
Millions of adults have not survived riding on cycle paths without a helmet - where was the smiley???
Forget the Great War, we should be teaching the Great Cycle Massacres 1970-1998. One of the great tragedies of modern UK history.
Ben, Yes, Literally.
I understand the meanings of lots of words, bilaterally (that's double literally to you).
How many hours of community service/months at HM pleasure should the evil dad get? Hopefully as many as the dad I saw walking across the fields without a map and compass or a bivvi bag last night - and with his kids. Shocking. Irresponsible parenting seems to be everywhere these days. Time to make a stand.....
I literally laughed my head off when I read your literal comment 🙂
My dear OP, I didn't see any debate - just a very silly and inflammatory post calling me a **** as neither I nor my wife would dream of wearing helmets on a cycle path.
I therefore replied with same.
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difference is your dad was breaking the law.
Only one was and it was as an add on what about the rest?
THM seemed to think anything we did in the past was safe as we are still alive - its a poor argument as his subsequent posts show
If he had a rational argument he would be making it rather than doing straw man stuff like this - high marks for that then form a student eh
My little girl holds an adult's hand when she crosses the road. Should I do the same to set an example?
I think you are an adult and the example you set is using the green cross code to cross.
Daddy has a tribal arm sleeve tattoo and a £50 hairstyle... Obviously doesn't want to mess up his look
I'd suggest it's more of a problem of setting an example to the kids.+1
If your children do not understand that there are different rules for children and adults and that untill they reach adulthood you are ultimately the boss of them, you are in shit street.
And don't say I did not tell you so when little johnny rings childline because you removed his Xbox, or calls the police when grounded.
Even for a pootle with the kids if you can increase your chances of not dieing, why wouldn't you?
Would you wear one to go for a walk? If you were walking along a cycle path, I reckon your chances are just about as high being hit by bicycle, than falling off one. And after all, if it increases your chances of not dieing...
Granted, we should set a good example. But do we want to reinforce the idea that cycling is inherently dangerous? I'm not convinced that's a good example to set. I'd like my kids to be able to think rationally, rather than see everything as black and white.
there are different rules for adults and children but there is also hypocrisy.
I would argue the helmet is in that camp and you need to be a role model to your kids, If they wear one I wear one and vice versa.
cycling round a camp site on grass we will take our chances for example
Firstly, stop saying 'oh how did I ever survive as a kid without a helmet?' It's a piss poor argument, as even a moment's thought will reveal. Also, quite a few kids didn't survive, perhaps they might if they'd had a helmet.
Secondly, in the OP's scenario, did you consider that it might be the woman who insists on helmets for the kids and the man couldn't be persuaded? Or are women dutifully submissive to their man in your world?
Was daddy wearing a hi-viz jacket as well. Can't be too careful on cycle paths these days. Occasionally there is some wheel grabbing gravel that could have devastating consequences
Need to have a word with son's teachers next. They, and senior boys, cycle around school sans casquette even riding over speed bumps. So irresponsible, where is the report button.....
Perhaps, mol, perhaps....
Until then we should take all precautions when using those dangerous cycle paths. The stats are shocking aren't they?
I don't wear a helmet when out with the kids at 3 miles an hour but they do...
I also don't let them smoke, drink beer, light the BBQ, use a circular saw or a number of other things that I do because I am an adult and they are not.
I hope it doesn't scar them too much in later life 🙄
I wear a helmet when out with the kids, because I want helmet wearing to be a habit for all of us. Same as wearing a seatbelt in the car. You don't generally know when an accident is going to happen so you can take precautions beforehand.
It should be an automatic thing - then it never becomes an issue. There simply isn't a debate in our house. So when the kids are 14 and out on their own, they will probably wear a helmet because it's the normal thing to do. They won't be wondering when they are old enough to go without at the same age they are neurologically predisposed to poor safety decision making.
Until then we should take all precautions when using those dangerous cycle paths. The stats are shocking aren't they?
It's not because there might be a risk on a cyclepath. It's because I want them to become habituated. And I want myself to be habituated also.
Do you do risk assessments on every cycleway? You research befor ehand and see if there's any road crossings or sections beforehand? Do you check the accident stats for every section? I don't.
My kids wear helmets and when they see me just sitting on a bike I get told off.
Set a good example.
The kids granny had a head injury last March.
3 hours to live unless she was operated on.
4 weeks in a coma.
6 weeks in high dependency unit.
Another 12 weeks in hospital.
Still has on-going hospital visits.
Nearly 15 month on,
She's walking but very unsteady,
Talks rubbish,
Forget's stuff.
And she's been one of the very lucky ones.
Type of accident?
Weeding in the garden.
Why wouldn't you wear a helmet when riding a bike and save a lot of people a whole load of grief?
This past 15 month have been proper SHIT for our family. Do other people a favour.
Well this whole thread is about a dad being a hypocrite and a **** for not wearing a helmet on a cycle path. So excuse me for sticking to the topic. I prefer at least some debate in my household and kids who are capable of making up their own minds.
I wear a helmet most but not all times, so yes I make an assessment every time I go out. I love riding without a helmet and wouldn't want to stop anyone else doing the same things with or without kids.
Sorry for your accident FF but what relevance does an accident weeding the garden have to a dad riding on a cycle path?
And don't say I did not tell you so when little johnny rings childline because you removed his Xbox, or calls the police when grounded.
sorry dad 😆
So when the kids are 14 and out on their own, they will probably wear a helmet because it's the normal thing to do
Whilst I wish this were true, they will look at what their mates are doing and do that. No kid wants to be the odd one out, even for something as simple as this.
Type of accident?Weeding in the garden.
Why wouldn't you wear a helmet when riding a bike and save a lot of people a whole load of grief?
Why wouldn't you wear a helmet when gardening, then?
Ok.. they will be *slightly* more likely to...
I prefer at least some debate in my household and kids who are capable of making up their own minds.
Me too, and that's at the forefront of our parenting every day. However, they are still only 2 and 5 so I still think it's a little early to entrust them with every decision.
Whilst I wish this were true, they will look at what their mates are doing and do that. No kid wants to be the odd one out, even for something as simple as this.
so we make the stand now, get all of the kids wearing helmets
snow sports made helmets acceptably 'cool' why can't cycling? 🙄
It's a piss poor argument, as even a moment's thought will reveal.
It is I agree
Well this whole thread is about a dad being a hypocrite and a * for not wearing a helmet on a cycle path
no it is about him making his kids wear one and his wife and not wearing one himself
I look fwd to seeing you call troll on that point or seeing you go woosh now - i bet you just ignore it as you certainly wont admit your error
Mummy in the middle, she's sensible she's wearing a helmet and then there's big bad Daddy at the back. He's clearly aware of the safety reasons for wearing a helmet as he's made his kids and wife wear one but not chosen to wear one himself, Daddy's a hypocrit, Daddy's a *
Bon chance
Until helmets are made compulsory by law people can take them or leave them.
You are free to make judgment and keep it to yourself as the thought police do not exist YET.
But to call some one a hypocrite and a **** and bring there parenting skills in to disrepute because their views on how they live their lives lawfully in a free society are not the same as your own is outrageous.
You need to mind you own business in a literal sense.
snow sports made helmets acceptably 'cool' why can't cycling?
Now, I don't pretend to be 'down with the kids' but surely pisspots are not particularly uncool? A fair proportion of kids seem to wear them?
chip - Member
But to call some one a hypocrite and a **** and bring there parenting skills in to disrepute because their views on how they live their lives lawfully in a free society are not the same as your own is outrageous.
...and just a silly idea. The risks on a leisurely evening cycle ride along a cycle path are very small. Perspective and understanding of risks are better life skills than unquestioning adherence to others' views.
Which is better parenting? Not that it matters, it's your own choice after all.
Flatfish: do you wear a gardening helmet? If not, why not?
And I like this from the OP :
He's clearly aware of the safety reasons for wearing a helmet as he's made his wife wear one
"You are my property now woman and you'll dress as I say"
I love these threads as they show very well that even cyclists hate cycling sometimes.
Well if literally millions die on cycle paths, perhaps we should all hate cycling. Sounds like a stupid idea to me.
I wouldn't wear a helmet to pop round to the corner shop for a packet of fags. And I wouldn't expect my kids to either.
[url= http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/12/31/not-dangerous/ ]Cycling isn't dangerous[/url]
Doesn't scoobys link look a nice place to live.
Although their A&Es must be wall to wall cracked skulls. 😀
I think the issue is more about setting a good example rather than safety concerns over a pootle with the kids. Yes walking across a field you would be more safer wearing a helmet but you don't usually. When riding bikes little kids don't go very fast, but they will/might when they get older. Better to instill in them the need to wear a helmet from an early age, no?
And why does it necessarily follow that wearing a helmet = looks like an dork/idiot, this is an attitude we need to be steering away from. In the situation mentioned above, the odd one out kid is happier in his choice because he prefers to be safer. The more people who think that wearing a helmet when cycling = the norm, the better.
& yes perhaps I said the wrong thing about Daddy making wife wear one, of course wife makes her own choice. You don't consider how people will jump on every word when you write the Op.
The easiest way to get young kids to wear helmets is to wear one yourself. Once they're teenagers you'll have more luck persuading them if you don't wear a helmet yourself and claim that going without makes you look cooler.