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There’s a Forestal in there, can’t be too many of those owned and stolen? Feel like maybe I read on here someone had one taken?
Found in Todmorden, but I guess they’ll be from all over.
Dunno what happened to the link - this should get you there
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Few Santa Cruzs in there too.
Maybe not. silly bloody forum
https: //www.facebook.com/share/p/1CZSEjnuhd/
Is this any better?
Edit: No, it wasn't. But if you take the space out of the URL above you should find it. Or go to the West Yorkshire Police FB page and find it there.
Does this suggest a lot of thieving is done as an orchestrated effort?
Does this suggest a lot of thieving is done as an orchestrated effort?
They'll likely have worked their way up a chain - some lowlife will be paid £50 per theft but the bike itself will end up somewhere a bit more organised at the hands of someone who'll ship them abroad or they'll be left for long enough that the owner isn't really looking for it anymore before being stripped and rebuilt with different parts and sold.
Surprised to see so many e-bikes as, without the charger, they're kind of useless unless you're really just after the parts.
Police found some scrote in a Manchester suburb not that long ago with similar, a house and garden stuffed with mid to high value bikes.
Some of the bikes in the photos on the police FB, particularly the Cube ones, look almost brand new; maybe the result of a shop break-in?
some lowlife will be paid £50 per theft but the bike itself will end up somewhere a bit more organised at the hands of someone who'll ship them abroad or they'll be left for long enough that the owner isn't really looking for it anymore before being stripped and rebuilt with different parts and sold.
Speaking to some locals (about a different theft, where the thief was actually caught):
The slap on the wrist culture for the theft itself might seem rather soft and pointless to most, but the penalty for handling stolen goods is far more severe.
All we need to see is mandatory record keeping of bicycle (and component) serial numbers, for all UK sales (new and used). Bicycle frames, suspension forks, shock absorbers and other components already have unique identifiers from factory. We're not inventing anything new.
Currently, there's no mandatory recording or declaration of unique identifiers. Stolen goods are therefore easily sold on eBay, Facebook Marketplace, etc etc... and easily shipped overseas. If it is mandatory to declare these identifiers when buying, selling & shipping bicycles (and components), anyone thinking about handling goods with no traceability will have to think twice.
In a way, online selling platforms could be accused of facilitating theft. For listings - there's no need for any proof of ownership or declaration of unique identifiers. Are they complicit? If they can be accused of handling stolen goods (or at least facilitating it), they'd very quickly add a few mandatory fields to their platforms. 🤔
The work has already been done by the manufacturers: numbers are stamped on all sorts of things. It's time the tech giants and small LBSs update their platforms to make buying/selling a lot safer IMO.
Also, removal of unique identifiers should be made illegal. Let's face it - there's no excuse for having a bike or component with the serial number ground off. So possession of any bicycle (or component) that's had its unique identifier deliberately removed or changed should be illegal.... none of this "I bought it off some bloke like that".
The question is, who's going to pull their finger out and actually do something about it? Nobody. 😂
Also, removal of unique identifiers should be made illegal. Let's face it - there's no excuse for having a bike or component with the serial number ground off.
The serial number on my old CX/gravel bike was a couple of stickers just in front of the BB. Right in the firing line of all the mud, water and grit. I do have a photo of them but they long ago completely wore off.
^ excellent post @Oms, it's a good point. IANAL but it sounds worth looking into.
In a way, online selling platforms could be accused of facilitating theft.
Does anyone know more about the legal implications of that for ebay etc?
The question is, who's going to pull their finger out and actually do something about it? Nobody. 😂
I know a person who may be influential (or at least has the contacts) if there was legal leverage in that point.
IIRC someone investigated what happens to many stolen bikes and they got taken to a cash converters type shop, almost immediately listed for sale abroad, eastern europe somewhere, with filters so listings can't be found from uk, then exported in the back of a lorry. To solve it requires cooperation from large multinational companies and police forces
Also, removal of unique identifiers should be made illegal. Let's face it - there's no excuse for having a bike or component with the serial number ground off.
The serial number on my old CX/gravel bike was a couple of stickers just in front of the BB. Right in the firing line of all the mud, water and grit. I do have a photo of them but they long ago completely wore off.
Blimey - that's pants. On my MTB, there's a sticker but it's also stamped onto the back of the BB shell. My road bike has an RFID chip embedded into the carbon - probably overkill but I guess they did it for their own warranty verification rather than my sake.
Suppose we might need specific standards for manufacturers to follow too (ie no watercolours or crayons). 🤔
^ excellent post @Oms, it's a good point. IANAL but it sounds worth looking into.
In a way, online selling platforms could be accused of facilitating theft.
Does anyone know more about the legal implications of that for ebay etc?
The question is, who's going to pull their finger out and actually do something about it? Nobody. 😂
I know a person who may be influential (or at least has the contacts) if there was legal leverage in that point.
Thanks - it makes sense (in theory). We just need to open up a dialogue to get things moving in the right direction.
I think currently, if eBay (for example), were contacted by police they'd co-operate... the thing is, there would need to be some intel for them to make that call in the first place. But if certain data fields were mandatory, the onus might then be on the platform to ensure they are there and visible to ensure transparency.
Keen to know what other people think RE that point.
got taken to a cash converters type shop
So any for any shop - if there's nothing forcing them to record and declare this stuff, there's no tracability.
If it's not law to record it, there's no way of questioning their origin. I assume that shipping large numbers of bikes can't be questioned either. 🤷♂️
The serial number on my old CX/gravel bike was a couple of stickers just in front of the BB
really? a stickered bar code might be on there for ease of assembly and sale, but i would be surprised if there wasnt a matching number stamped or etched into the frame somwhere too.