[Closed] how to save 1,400g off the weight of your bike for less than £250

Is it not cassettes that have the most gramme saving per pound spent ratio?

Eat less cake and thinner socks.

that must have been a heavy wheelset - the Pro3s must be around 1600g?

I am just changing out my Pro3 XC6 for some Pro2 EVO with 32 supercomp spokes instead of 24 SPs - same rims. I am not sure of how much more they will weigh, but hopefully they will be stiffer and stronger.

Try the DT RMS 9mm instead of the superstar - does up with more torque, which equals stiffer

is she fly weight ?

fuel EX will encourage hooliganism - the LAST place id put a pair of those wheels....... there delicate SOBs

Eat less cake and thinner socks

I don't eat [i]any[/i] kind of socks.

I reckon you could save that by making her ride naked!

And then taking a photos, as of course her soul will weigh a few gms, and we all know photos take away your soul.

Post here as proof please.

DrP

Is it not cassettes that have the most gramme saving per pound spent ratio?

To what extent? XX over XTR? SLX over Deore? Surely there's no one component you can make that comparison?

Grips is the 'quickest win' IMO, particularly if you run lock ons - 100g+ for £10.

but the grips are necessarily tactile
one 11-32cassette is much the same in operation as the next.

Cut down her bars to 30cm wide
remove front brake
saddle is a luxury

the pro 3's weighed in at sub 1,500g complete with rim tape.

she's pretty small and light and doesn't ride hard, so the lightest wheels possible are the right solution for her. if she really gets into it, i will swap them out for the pro II / crests.

just trying to find a well priced pair of pro 2 evos / crests to put on the turner which i sold to my best mate.

but the grips are necessarily tactile
one 11-32cassette is much the same in operation as the next.

That wasn't the point being made. I find foam grips perfectly good in use anyway.

Those wheels are light not because of good design or fancy materials - there is just nothing there! I wouldnt take those wheels off road.

Are you talking about going back to non-locking grips? - but they are rubbish. Why not run no grips at all - thats even lighter.

I might have misunderstood this if so apologies. Are you saying that the Hope wheel set weighs 1.4kg less than the OEM wheel set the bike came with or that the wheels, tyres, skewers, rotors and cassette are 1.4kg lighter than the stock items?

so why give her a bike thats designed for riding fairly hard

Are you talking about going back to non-locking grips? - but they are rubbish. Why not run no grips at all - thats even lighter.

Never used locking grips, never had a grip come loose. Why exactly would I change? YMMV, but I know it's much easier to make 'hilarious' comments about things you've not tried. 🙄

Are you saying that the Hope wheel set weighs 1.4kg less than the OEM wheel set the bike came with or that the wheels, tyres, skewers, rotors and cassette are 1.4kg lighter than the stock items?

Hope wheelset with (after market) tyres/tubes/cassette is lighter than stock wheelset with OEM tyres/tubes/cassette.

Depending on what riding you're doing and what build you are, those wheels are amazing, and for me made a massive difference to what I could ride - as the front end on my bike became so much easier to man-handle, all of a sudden I could ride way more technical trails. Ok, I'm flyweight, but they've done Alps, Lakes, Spain with no damage, just run some half decent tubeless trail tyres.

Never used locking grips, never had a grip come loose.

I too am in the church of the foam grips, I much prefer them to lockons, they are comfier by miles especially on rigid bikes but I'm curious how you keep yours from slipping Njee?

I've tried putting them on clean and dry, tried with hairspray, tried with an evaporating solvent like brake and clutch cleaner (and various others) but they always end up slipping after a few properly wet rides, drives me nuts!

how do you get yours to stay put long term?

i just fit em.

they stay solid

how ever after about a year i found they had gone baggy and were good for the bin - still worth the weight bonus

Use ESI Chunkys and learn the panicked force them on before the alcohol/window cleaner dries game. Once on you virtually have to cut them off!

I have used old style grips - back in the olden days when I was a nipper and only got pocket money. If there really was 100g difference I might still use em - My lock ons weigh exactly 101g - Do yours weigh 1g?

esi grips easy on/off and none of mine have never slipped in 3years. very comfy also!

If there really was 100g difference I might still use em - My lock ons weigh exactly 101g - Do yours weigh 1g?

most foam grips are in the 20 - 40g range, and most lockons are 100g - 150g range so it's actually quite an accurate statement.

obviously the heaviest foams and lightest lockons are closer but there's still >60g difference.

I too am in the church of the foam grips, I much prefer them to lockons, they are comfier by miles especially on rigid bikes but I'm curious how you keep yours from slipping Njee?

I just use a bit of hairspray (with Bontrager XXX Lite grips), on a clean bar, never had a problem!

If there really was 100g difference I might still use em - My lock ons weigh exactly 101g - Do yours weigh 1g?

As above, you have very light lock-ons. My grips are 15g, plenty of lock-ons are over 115g, and it's still an 86g saving for you, so I'll stick with my statement ta.

Ever tried riding with your 1ltr water bottle empty, that's 1000g saved 😆

Apologies : from generic oem to something like XT ( or the SRAM equivalent), although probably about the same weight saving as grips, so clearly I was talking crap... Again 😆

Hmmm, I use the Bonty X Lites (not XXX)... they've stuck fine on my carbon bars but they always slip on alu ones.

might try a bit of clear lacquer as that seems to be a good suggestion from some people.

1.4kg difference for the total combined wheel weight complete with tyres, tubes, cassette and rotors.

as for the choice of bike... she wanted a full suspension bike as she was fed up with the discomfort of bumbing about on a hardtail.

i built her the turner as i love the brand and love building bikes... it was seriously OTT for her needs, but who cares! The Trek Lush is very simply one of the very few full suspension frames that fits her (she is quite small with relatively short legs).

i always thought it was a bit unfair to expect her to keep up with me on her hardtail giant talon as i was gliding across everything on my yeti asr5

this is the turner btw... pic taken last night after i swapped out the wheels, pedals and saddle.

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just a shame the kashima rp23 doesn't fit the trek lush as they would probably go 'walkabout' too! lol

My old Carrera came with Factory XC tyres- 1150g each. Never has so much weight been shed so quickly and pleasantly.

and this is the lush... before the 'tweaks' began...

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and this is my sausage dog freddie... pic posted for no other reason than he's cool and i just stumbled on the picture.

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OK OK - point taken about the grips - they are light and rubbish - how about that 🙂

Did much the same with my FSR last august
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Some more savings coming up t0 drop the weight well under 24lbs, the difference to handling has been well worth the £££s

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Are you talking about going back to non-locking grips? - but they are rubbish. Why not run no grips at all - thats even lighter.

Sory, I'm with Njee on this one, foam grips are great. Using Richey WCS on easton ES70 bars and they don't slip noticeably, just migrate inwards on the bars by 2-3mm over the course of a ride if wet (just remember to pull them back at the end of the ride before they dry). But they're a year old now so due for repalcement as they've started to lose their spring.

100g less is just a bonus.

I'm using non-locking on most of my bikes now... Renthal ones have never slipped at all even on the dh bike, just trying ESI on the hemlock, though not sure they'll be a keeper- they just feel a bit weird.

Hmmm, I use the Bonty X Lites (not XXX)... they've stuck fine on my carbon bars but they always slip on alu ones.

Ah yes, I've never used alu bars, only carbon.

trying ESI on the hemlock, though not sure they'll be a keeper- they just feel a bit weird.

I like them, my one complaint of the XXX Lites is that they're a bit slippery on very hot/wet days without gloves. It's been an 'issue' once, but the ESIs do solve that! Not quite as light though.

Glad to see the wheels are getting some action Campfreddie! I raced on them for a couple of years with no ill effect! That being 6'2" and close to 14 stone.
Thanx,
Max

i will swap them [b][s]out[/s][/b] for the pro II / crests.

Unless you are American.

In which case, still wrong, but more understandable 😉

Those wheels are light not because of good design or fancy materials - there is just nothing there! I wouldnt take those wheels off road.

rubbish - I had Pro XC6 with 355s for several years and was probably 13st with pack on and they took a fair bashing, although nothing airborne that wasn't part of the trail.

and wifey must weight less than me.

only reason I am getting some pro2 evos with more spokes is the front wheel was folded after a dog collision from the side and the bike shop screwed up twice - rebuilt it with a crest but not central, and then when a spoke nipple popped they left a flat spot in the wheel after trueing and then more spoke nipples have gone.

so new and slightly heavier wheels for the turner and those 24 spoke hubs might go on some Iron Crosses for the cross bike.

just trying to find a well priced pair of pro 2 evos / crests to put on the turner which i sold to my best mate.

I might have just that for sale shortly. Although the front hub is Chris King.

Those wheels are light not because of good design or fancy materials - there is just nothing there! I wouldnt take those wheels off road.
Are you talking about going back to non-locking grips? - but they are rubbish. Why not run no grips at all - thats even lighter.

Are you actually serious, my mates ran them on his superlight for a good 2 years and they're faultless

He's even ridden over rocks with them!!

only reason I am getting some pro2 evos with more spokes is the front wheel was folded after a dog collision from the side

Not the sausage dog I hope ?

interesting, got a SH bike coming with pro3 XC6 / DT 4.2 rims / ashima air 160 rotors. Not sure if i'll keep them or sell them to get someting a little more robust.
Sounds like they may take the battering I'll give them. 13 stone on a hardtail for mainly XC stuff.

got pro 3 SP on 355s on my race bike. thats the only place ill ave em , two issues at play here , 1 is hopeless hope hoop build and 2 is low spoke tension means they like attention all the time

nice wheels for a purpose im 12 stone riding fairly groomed XC race courses - wouldnt like to be using them for anything rough given the looking after i have to give em - and it was worse till i rebuilt them , the original build snapped several spokes in the center of the spoke at random points round the wheel - something ive never seen EVER in 10 years of spannering bikes in a shop.

rebuilt them to spec as i know from prior that if you ramp up tension on stans rims the nipples pull through 🙁

be fine for mincing though im sure

Rather tragically I think swapping my nice Ourys to some ESI Chunkys was the smallest weight gain I've ever achieved for the biggest negative side effect. Even riding on a tiny rock hard saddle, at least I can stand up to get away from it. Cut them off with scissors and stuck the Ourys back on.

Victory!

Ditching sensible tyres and riding with thin little 500g tyres comes a close second. Didn't cut them off with scissors, bet I could have done though.

hopeless hope hoop build

mine were from Roger Musson who trimmed them up before sale. I think he thought the Hope build was too tight.

my hope sp xc3's built onto mavic crossride rims have stood up to all sorts of abuse

Ditching sensible tyres and riding with thin little 500g tyres comes a close second. Didn't cut them off with scissors, bet I could have done though

Seeing as 2.25" Rons and Ralphs are lighter than that I suspect it was the tyre as much as its girth and weight to blame...

Not picking on you Trail Rat, but you're supposing I suppose ?

trail_rat - Member

is she fly weight ?

fuel EX will encourage hooliganism - the LAST place id put a pair of those wheels....... there delicate SOBs

I'd have to disagree been using them for 8 months and they have stood a pasting, I'm no lightweight in fact 10kg over the suggested weight for the wheel and they are still running true.