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Behave like this complete bunch of ****ing cretinous tossers. Arseholes every last one if them Shaving 5 seconds off tbeir pb on the Windsor Triathlon time ****ers what the **** did they think they were doing. I hope they're all identified and banned from future participation. If the organisers didn't sign post the route then they hold responsibility to o.
https://m.facebook.com/315310545339960/posts/782935078577502/
I can't post fb videos and I'm too cross to learn n.
Yes they're triathletes but read the comments, no one is making that distinction
That is horrible. That horse was incredibly calm up until that point
Yep thats bad but probably an innocent error head down in a group ! they should have stopped!
Completely agree, even the first few close passes with a whole lane to use were bad enough.
That is one well behaved horse, and rider, had it not been that would have been carnage.
Aye, innocent error just like those drivers that couldn't see due to the sun in their eyes.
Rider could do with calming down, shrieking like that's not gonna do the horse any favours.
What a bunch of ****ers.
Mass group stuff with testosterone flowing from the very pores of middle aged blokes looking to prove manliness generally leads to much bellendery.
I came across one local here a while back, Rat run coast to coast thing. Standard of riding was shockingly bad and would have done nothing but wind up drivers who probably hate cyclists quite enough already.
indeed what a bunch of @#£%ers i hope the lady and horse are ok.
Shocking behaviour.
What a load of **** wombles, especially those who chanced zooming by on the left of the horse!
I sometimes come across horses around Durley and when I do, nevermind 1.5 metres clearance, I'm right over the other side of the road and randomly saying "Hi" to the rider on my cautious approach and pass... I really don't fancy the idea of my head being taken off by a horse leg!
To be fair, as riding in the draft of another competitor is banned in triathlon at age group level it gives you a fair idea of the makeup of the group - they were all cheating in the race they were involved in even before they met the horse.
Windsor triathlon has what, 2000 competitors. You have to be a bit of a masochist to knowingly go walk a horse on a course that busy with bikes. I guess the problem is organisers are only going to mark junctions etc. If you live on the course and didn't go past a sign it could take you by surprise. Bearing in mind this event is annual and has been for 20 years+ and she claims to have lived there for years too the first sign of a bike would have jogged my memory and would have had me knocking the ride on the head for the morning.
They were oafs and need identifying and banning from TE events for the year .Her shrieking was pretty bad too and not what the horse needed.
Complete tossers ....
As for the comments regarding the young lady shrieking ..get a ****ing grip !
Believe me if someone slammed into me from behind without warning at speed then I would be screaming too ..probably more with rage than anything else but that would have been a hell of a shock for her and could very easily have been life threatening
Cowardly ..makes me ashamed to be bracketed as a cyclist when you have self centred prats like that.
Thank God I only ride mountain bikes..
Christ - on bikes or not, they're just dicks riding like that. Buzzing people/cars/horses etc is just antisocial. Going down the left is idiotic. Cretinous self entitlement has reached epidemic proportions.
Want to race? The piss off to a track. Bunch of pricks.
Sadly, arseholes don't exclusively use of one type of bicycle and this just provides more ammo for the anti-cycling brigade.
I ride both horses and bikes and believe you me that being pissed off with on a horse and coming off in the road is worse than any bike crash ive had so I don't blame her for raising her voice and screaming. On the issue of whether she should be riding when there is a 'race' on, round our way there are hundreds of arrows on junctions that have been up for years which should have been taken down (Evans ride-it) being the worst offenders, so you wouldn't know if there was an event on or not! As for the head down riveted b@##cks its illegal to race on any open public road, if you do then you are an asshole. These ****s are just poor excuses for human beings and give us all a bad name. If you know one of them call them a **** and punch em in the kisser for me, and I'll owe you a beer!
Have been in plenty of road races where the group has slowed for horses. It’s not specifically a cyclist problem, it’s just bell ends.
But did the horse pay its road tax.
Mass group stuff with testosterone flowing from the very pores of middle aged blokes looking to prove manliness
those drivers that couldn’t see due to the sun in their eyes.
The scary thing is, I suspect those two groups might not be mutually exclusive.
Ridiculous behaviour. I hope it was an innocent error, rather than just stupidity, but that doesn’t excuse it. Rider either needs to pay much more attention, or needs to be told what a ****ing idiot he is.
As for the comments regarding the young lady shrieking ..get a **** grip !
it was not a situation of her making but anyone with much horsemanship knows there are times when you just know that you need to keep your emotions from the horse. Sorry, that was one of those times.
Shitty behaviour; as the ride co-ordinator for our local club undoubtedly we will get a few emails this week.
As for the head down riveted b@##cks its illegal to race on any open public road
No, it isn't, the rule is that it's basically legal and you just have to inform the police but 'the police may impose conditions as they see fit' which on open roads usually means that the race is escorted by signed vehicles, and anyone dropped is either pulled out or has to then ride as if they were just riding.
http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.com/2010/04/road-racing-in-england.html
Which is hard for a tri because everyone is riding their own race within a race, so the assumption is that people have to adhere to rules of the road, and that hasn't gone well clearly.
If they identify the riders, the race organisers have posted they will ban them from all future events and disqualify them from this one.
Better than nothing.
The lady shrieked because she was hit, and she regained control quickly. Good riding.
And that is a brilliant horse, it got a fright from being hit and calmed down almost right away. I've been on a runaway horse that got a fright, it wasn't pretty and ended painfully.
If it had panicked the result for the following riders would have been carnage - maybe what that's what the head down arseholes were hoping for, to slow down the opposition.
Hope the police do them like a dinner.
maybe what that’s what the head down arseholes were hoping for, to slow down the opposition
You give arseholes like that too much credit. Ability to plan ahead...... can't see beyond Me Me Me!
Its a shame the horse did not kick a few of them that is just crazy,madness.
Triantelopes are asshats. This cements my opinion on the matter.
They're asshats in bike shops. Clueless about fit, function, or anything unless it's AERO. Hence massive spacer stacks, upright ride position and wobbling over tri bars.
They're asshats on the road, as evidenced above. There's one near me, often see him on my bimbles. Every ride sees him in full sperm-dome helmet, those silly socks and arm thingies. He gets annoyed when I overtake him downhill. Even more so when I did so on my Brompton once!
Asshats.
Now how do we actually get to a point where you can race properly one some closed roads, back in tas they managed to use the local motor racing track, perfect place to go just not a nice like nearby
Triathletes - say no more. Some of the worse riders I've seen, and that's from Roadie's experience.
Group riding should be banned in Tri, just like any drafting is in Time Trials. I initially thought it might have been a sportive, as you do get some right knobs in those.
You get knobs in all forms of life. Ban all of them
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Got to laugh when someone who rides a brompton mocks a triathlete for looking silly.
From chatting to horse riders locally, they all say two things, Pass wide and slow, and a horse never forgets ill treatment or something thats scared it, poor horse cant go for councelling or remedial help, its a living thing thats now probably traumatised by idiots on bikes, just like some dogs chase bikes.
Oh great - the bbc website has picked up the story. It has now expanded to include a car drivers perspective...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-44512967
Rene, I KNOW how ridiculous a Brompton looks. I wasn't wearing all teh AEROness though, just normal clothes, using a mode of transport.
This, though...
plenty of closed road races on circuits in the UK. Look at the road racing thread on here, the reviews and tactical discussions are a good read even though I have no aspirations to race myself.
I suspect the person who went to the left of the house was not paying attention and needs the same level of respect as a driver that says SMIDNSY.
As for the others passing to close on the right that we’re on there own with a clear lane to the rightof then just inexcusable even for retard tri riders
Amanda Coyne, who lives near the route of the race, said she had encountered cyclists riding "dangerously" while driving shortly before 09:00.
"I nearly had a heart attack as I nearly got hit by a car which had been forced to overtake cyclists who were riding four-abreast," she said.
Forced to overtake? Into an oncoming car?
Here we go.......
****ing cretins, we get so much crap from drivers then these pricks do this to another vulnerable road user.... dick heads of the highest order
I suspect the person who went to the left of the house was not paying attention
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Forced to overtake? Into an oncoming car?
Yup, that was the bit I noticed too. Jesus.
we get so much crap from drivers then these pricks do this to another vulnerable road user…
Yep biggest problem here is 1 cyclist represents all and 1 driver does not.
Theotherjonv - was about to point that one out. Asshats as the triathletes may have been, noone is ever FORCED to overtake into traffic.
Do we need a separate thread to vent at the bbc article? And that small yet stupid quote
Rider could do with calming down, shrieking like that’s not gonna do the horse any favours.
Pretty good pitch for Dumb Victim-Blaming Comment of The Year there, well done.
This is when the end looks like a bell. Strava has to be updated suppose.
Strava has to be updated suppose.
Why does Strava need updating? These were people racing for actual prizes
Was a proper race rather that Strava willy waving
I was too slow
I was too slow
I jumped the horse to post faster
As others have said, much of that could be down to simple errors. But why let that get in the way of the frothing at the mouth and pitchforks.
simple errors
Such as...?
Riding without due care and attention, maybe.
The same simple errors that get us as cyclist run over by car drives not paying attention.
And as I posted earlier it’s the few first close passes that were totally unnecessary and unforgivable
much of that could be down to simple errors
You also don't know what preceded it, eg: is she just around a bend, (and while on open roads I'd still suggest you *should* be able to act / react in what you can see), I could see minor mitigation if you're racing in an organised event, round a bend and suddenly there's a horse a few yards in front.
But if that was on a straight road ......
you’re racing in an organised event,
On an open road...
Triantelopes are at fault here.
Group riding should be banned in Tri, just like any drafting is in Time Trials.
It is, has been for oh I don't know, 30 years. It's only pro/elite level racing on closed roads where riding in groups is allowed and even then only over shorter distances. If your only knowledge of triathlon is watching the Brownlees at the Olympics you would have a false image of what goes on in the vast majority of races. They have 'draft busters' on motor bikes driving around and breaking up packs that form and handing out penalties and DQs. It's done from a racing advantage perspective mostly though so the pointy end gets the most attention. These riders look like middle of the packers so might not have seen a buster all ride.
I got busted once - a case of mistaken identity m'lord. European champs in France. I caught a group of mostly french riders riding in a tight group at the crest of a hill just as another GB competitor dropped out of the back of the group and the buster (French, strangely not interesting in busting the French lads) nabbed the wrong brit. Took it with good grace (not) and in the sin bin doing my time penalty an official told me to calm down and take my helmet off and have a breather. At the end of the penalty I took one step out of the box and another official busted me for not having my helmet on. Not my finest hour.
Actually just remembered - witness to another bit of triathlete asshatery. I did the London triathlon in their not elite but quite good wave. Did really well on the swim and was bashing out the bike when a peleton of folk that had formed behind me swept past. Miffed, I sat up to watch the same group go straight through some poor girl on a hybrid still riding from an earlier novice race. She was dumped on the floor with a broken collar bone. Non of the cockwombles stopped. I did (sounds selfless but as I'd just been robbed of about 45 placed 'racing' was pretty much over for me) and helped her to get to assistance. Bearing in mind London is a non drafting closed road event it would not have been hard for them to miss her.
So yes, triathlon has a problem with crap riders with dodgy ethics and does not seem to be able to do much about it. One of the reasons I stopped (along with now being fat, old and broken)
Such as…?
Blind bend, low sun, use your imagination. Accidents and misjudgements happen, we've all been there so why is everyone so keen to berate these guys in the worst terms? Not because the offence is so very unforgivable but because it makes keyboard heroes feel good about themselves. After all, they'd never do something like that would they? It also doesn't hurt that STW can unite in hatred as these guys are 'out group' being triathletes. Honestly, sometimes this place gives the Daily Mail comments a run for their money. Grow up the lot of you.
Wrote some stuff, got bored, and couldn't be arsed to finish it. Don't know why I bother with this place sometimes (which admittedly isn't often).
you’re racing in an organised event,
On an open road…
Still a legitimate race, where you are 'entitled' to go as fast as you can whilst still obeying the HWC (yes, I know in itself that's a bit of a dichotomy) - have a clubmate that did the event today and the organisers were quite clear that the HWC still applies
I agree that it looks crap and that it needs proper investigation and action. But simply saying that all triathletes (or triantelopes, you japester) are at fault is not correct, any more than one RLJ makes all cyclists RLJ's.
Oh and if you want to hang a label on what's wrong with much of the comment on this thread here it is:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error
I don’t see it as a triathlete issue just a bunch of selfish dumb people. Could easily have been any other mass cycle event where people leave brains behind
Blind bend, low sun, use your imagination. Accidents and misjudgements happen, we’ve all been there so why is everyone so keen to berate these guys in the worst terms?
Footage doesn't suggest particularly low sun - certainly not consistently dazzling
They're only doing about 20, maybe 25 mph. There's almost not a bend in existence that's blind enough for that to be an issue and anyway the first couple of riders clearly saw her and moved out a bit to pass, After that the horse had walked about 20 yards further before the arseholes undertook her.
I'm all for benefit of the doubt where it's due, but that's not here. They clearly weren't concentrating
Oh, wait, you said to use imagination too ... what if they'd been transported through a wormhole from another galaxy to a point immediately behind the horse? Yeah, that'd work
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">I’m all for benefit of the doubt where it’s due, but that’s not here.</span>
My apologies, I didn't realise you were actually there.
I'm beginning to wonder if you were
I admit I was wrong about the legalities of road racing, but surely you should still be looking where your going and riding safely round other road users. It doesn't matter what tribe of cyclist they were they're still knobs. If the horse had been a cyclist and the cyclists cars I'm pretty sure they would have been found and lynched by now. I bet the undertaker drives a BMW or Audi as well!!!
Apparently incident is being investigated by Police now.
Blind bend, low sun
Ah, the excuses trotted out by drivers who have piled into the back of someone on a bike and killed them.
Well, that's ok then. Crack on.
I bet they wouldn't have done that to a tractor. Or combined harvester. But I'd pay to see that go-pro footage.
Ah, the excuses trotted out by drivers who have piled into the back of someone on a bike and killed them.
Blimey, next you'll be telling us that you've never had a near miss or made a bad decision yourself.
For the record, I'm not saying these guys did nothing wrong, I'm just marvelling at the level of hate engendered by what could be a very genuine mistake of the kind we all make.
For me it’s how many of them made a mistake not just one odd person lacking attention
For the record, I’m not saying these guys did nothing wrong, I’m just…
…reaching for excuses as to why these guys did nothing wrong? 😉
it’s how many of them made a mistake not just one odd person lacking attention
i just rewatched the video a few times. The early riders do pass at speed but in general relatively carefully, there's a guy at 12s who's a bit too close for my liking, another at 22s who passes very wide and also seems to be sat up and slowed down. At this stage the (bombproof) horse doesn't yet seem too perturbed.
It's 24s on, the first guy in red and black is quite wide but the rest of them all just seem to be in a group at speed and they all pass in about 3-4s, at speed and on both sides. So while it is a number of them it's almost like it's all the same mistake involving a group rather than 6 or 8 individual decisions.
Again, not condoning those 6-8 but we can't condemn even everyone on the video, let alone all trathletes.
So, I agree the solo close passes are actually worse than the bunch, they would have plenty of time to see and take avoiding action. The guys in the bunch, likely on the front couple would have noticed, and those behind probably had a second or 2 to react to the guy they are drafting dodging to one side or the other of the horse.
Responsibility lies with the guys in front for a bad decision - however if they'd braked hard likely the guys drafting would have gone into the back of them and caused a massive pile up.
I ride in the New Forest and for the first time in a decade or so of riding nearly got taken out by a frisky horse - was drafting my buddy, both on TT's. I had no sight on the road but trust him, and he suddenly had to take evasive action - I had less than a second to decide if I wanted to use the brakes or hold tight to the bars and steer when I realised what was happening. I chose steering and passed the horse way quicker than I would have normally done.
Plus if you are racing some of those guys might have been deep in the red / head down / not concentrating / focused properly.
You can definitely see why the horse rider is shaken right up. It shouldn't have happened.
it’s all the same mistake involving a group rather than 6 or 8 individual decisions
Well I guess they decided to ride in a bunch ...
(FWIW, I'm only condemning all triathletes for their poor lifestyle choices)
Blimey. How boring would that video have been without the dickhead cyclists?!
Well I guess they decided to ride in a bunch …
Yep, not condoning their passing at all, just observing not everyone needs tarring with the same brush; not even everyone on the video
without the dickhead cyclists?!
they're not cyclists they're triathletes 😉
Blimey. How boring would that video have been without the dickhead cyclists?!
🙂 I nearly didn't get to the incident when I clicked on it
There was also no attempt to stop and make sure the rider was ok. Yes it is possible they were caught unsighted even though they shouldn't have been but the point where they zipped up the inside, frightened the horse and kept going is where they sealed their asshat prize
they’re not cyclists they’re triathletes
They are cheating triathletes. And not very good at cheating subversively at that!
sidenote - when did horse riders start wearing head cams?
head down / not concentrating / focused properly.
On an open road...
sidenote – when did horse riders start wearing head cams?
presumably there's potential use in showing footage of shitty passes to the police etc just like some cyclists do - or maybe just on a day when you might catch some cyclists misbehaving 😉