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I’ve just had both bikes out next to each other and considering how different they are, they are also very similar.
The Geometron is a bit longer but head, seat angles and reach are very similar.
Geometron is 180/155 though the forks are over pressurised in the negative chamber to sit around 165mm, and 17.2KG
Airdrop Bitmap is 140mm and 13.2KG.
I have far too many grey bikes if that's what you mean. Wish I'd gone for Hubble purple on my latest bike, just to jazz up the garage if anything
1 x Hubble Purple, 2 x grey, 2 x Orange, 1 x Blue, 1 x Black/White 🙂
Got a real mixed bag from full suspension to LLS hardtail, fully rigid single speed, fat bike, gravel bike and a 26 inch commuter bmx thing. All very different and all bring a smile if used appropriately 😀
Both road bikes are identical set up, reach etc. MTB's same with saddle height, but one's a FS and the other a 90's MTB so both quite different.
Got no pictures of my actual bikes but they're quite different
My first 29er to replace a stolen Geometron
Off the shelf PBJ to replace custom built PBJ
The Norco is a decent bike but I haven't done any decent riding on it yet. Still gutted about losing my G16. Going from 520mm reach down to 485 felt odd at first. Even though it has bigger wheels it feels much more agile and playful. It should be fun if I ever take it anywhere.
I've been using the PBJ the most on local jumps and pump tracks. Just trying to have fun and learn how to ride again. I'm not getting any younger and if I'm not careful I'll become a wheels-on-the-ground mincer.
Both bikes have ground anchors with MASSIVE chains around them.
Like the 180 triple clamps, how are they to ride? Are they the lightweight "Enduro" Formula triple crowns?
Stooge Mk4 - Long, Green, steel is real, 29er, no suspension
Nicolai Helius - short (2015), anodised aluminium, 27.5", 160/140 suspension
So nothing like each other except they both run the same grips
All mine are different, not sure I see the point of having bikes too similar. Unless you're minted of course.
I've 5 bikes and are:
- Steel Road bike
- Aluminium cross bike
- Rigid 29er singlespeed
- LLS steel hardtail
- Carbon cross-country full suspension
Bikes I'd like get are:
- Foldable bike, maybe a Brompton
- Light e-bike trail/enduro full suspension
My bikes do tend to end up with similar brake and gear levers setup/angles as well as same brand of pedals and grips without planning it.
@sharkattack - sounds like you need another Geometron in your life, so you should definitely sell me your Sight!
I have 3 bikes now. At one point I had 5 3 of which were carbon rim brake road bikes which all had similar geometry so were all the same really. Now I have a 2012 YT Wicked 160 but it's running 650b wheels and a 2021 On One Freeranger. The 3rd is a 1997 GT Tequesta which I'm trying to get set up for my daughter.
Pretty different:
Transition Spur. Little short travel ripper.
Forbidden Dreadnought. Crushes everything.
Spec Kenevo SL. Basically a DH bike. With a motor.
@sharkattack – sounds like you need another Geometron in your life, so you should definitely sell me your Sight!
I'd love to but I'll have to stick with what I have for the foreseeable.
If I could splurge on another bike I'd buy a DH bike. Just because I really miss riding them and the modern ones look amazing compared to my old 26" YT Tues, which probably wasn't much bigger than the PBJ.
@honourablegeorge they are great, normal Nero R’s with 2 x 10mm travel reducers inside, previously had 36 Grip2 with a Lufkappe (which are going on the Bitmap when I get round to ordering an new air shaft) and these are much plusher off the top, loads of mid stroke support and still seem to have endless travel even with the travel reduced.
Uphill and lifting it over gates there no noticeable difference to the 36’s, and it’s actually move comfortable to carry across the shoulders hike-a-biking.
I’ve still got a lot of tinkering to do with the 3 way air spring and Neopos, and to get a 29 front wheel at some point.
Quite different really: green ('trail' HT), purple (FS), orange (FS, shagged), gray (x-bike semi-shagged and in the lbs), black and white (road, unridden since covid). oh and red (road, ancient, in a wahoo thingy. Been on it twice this year).
Not very similar/quite different.
2016 Giant Trance - 150/140mm full sus, 67deg head angle, 73.5deg seat tube angle, 425mm reach.
2019 Giant Revolt Advanced - gravel thing, 71deg head angle, 73deg seat tube angle, 385mm reach.
2021 Sonder Broken Road - 100mm hard tail, 67deg head angle, 73deg seat tube angle, 455mm reach.
Different bikes for different rides. 🙂
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2018 Specialized Turbo Levo, need to get round to selling it
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2020 Specialized Enduro
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2022 S Works Turbo Levo
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One goes up hill a bit better than the other.
1. Short-travel alu trail bike 110mm rear with 130mm fork - 460mm reach
2. Mid-travel steel trail/enduro bike 140mm coil rear with 160mm fork - 485mm reach
3. Alu super-enduro bike 170mm coil rear with 190mm fork - 475mm reach
All ride quite differently, which is important to me. Hardly ever ride the big bike now though.
Rigid carbon fat bike, with 26x4.8 tyres and 29x2.4 tyres (for sale…)
150mm 29er steel hardtail, super short chainstays
140/125mm 27.5 carbon FS. Trail/downcountry bike
160/140mm 29er carbon FS Trail/enduro bike
170-190/160mm 27.5 dual crown carbon gearbox FS Enduro/DH sled.
Steel gravel bike
Fast summer carbon road bike
So different but enough overlap to cover similar riding if one is out of action…
My two are really similar but really different:
2019 Levo with 160mm Lyrik RC2 (42mm offset), Hope Tech 3 V4 brakes, 50mm stem, FatBar Lite 760 wide /40 rise, 165mm cranks, Vaults, 185mm Revive dropper, EX511 on Pro4 wheels, XT 11 speed.
2022 Pipedream Moxie built with basically the same parts, brakes E4 and discs 17mm smaller (203/183), wheels the old ones off the Levo, and singlespeed.
The idea was that the Moxie’s front end would feel similar but the back is more like a giant BMX (no suspension or gears). Wheelbases are within a few mm but Moxie is ~20mm shorter chainstay, ~20mm longer reach. Rest of the geometry (when riding) is v close.
They’re really nice to swap between - my strange plan worked!
I have a gravel bike a ATB. I seem to spend my time and money making the gravel bike better off-road and the ATB better for the road. I don't know why this should be.
Carbon Chameleon
Ibis Ripmo mk1
Giant 2022 trance e mtb
Enjoy them all although loving the ebike at the mo, being the newest toy.
Geometry between the Ripmo and the Giant is similar, which is one of the reasons I went for the Giant.
Ragley Trig. 650b, steel gravel bike.
On One Whippet, 29er, rigid, carbon XC thing with old school angles.
Orange Stage 5, 29er, 150/135mm, aluminium big bike.
Pace RC627, 650b, steel hardtail. Frame only, bought today to build up.
Reckon that properly covers all my bases. Oh, and 3x retro Orange Clockwork's. 🙂
Shand bahookie. Conventional mtb geometry. Set up as a gentleman's adventure bike.
Salsa beargrease fatbike
Hipsterfixie**** bike that i have had since before hipsters were born
Mtb tandem sadly hanging on the wall
Unicycle
2 spare frames genesis core and Raleigh ti and enough bits to build one of them up
I think I could safely say the full bikes ate all very different
Road bike.
XC hardtail.
Trail bike.
XC hardtail is going to go as I think I’m probably faster on almost everything on the big and heavy trail bike.
I've been accumulating bikes for a few years now and have an embarrassing range of drop barred bikes, all different but only in very subtle ways.
Single speed 'proper' winter mudguard road bike
Geared 'shoulder season' mudguard road bike
CX bike
Gravel bike
'good' road bike which will shortly be retired to turbo duties and replaced with a gooderer road bike for summer duties only.
And a 29er hardtail which also stands in as a CX bike and gravel bike as and when required 😂
I should really sell at least three of them but given how little I'd get for them I just don't see the point.
One Twin Six Rando
One Genesis Vaganbond
Both the same shade of yellow 💛
The wife thinks I have one bike 🙈
...I hope 🙃😄
Currently at 4 bikes, a bit of overlap in purpose which is good to have if (when) one (or more) is out of action but different enough to justify having them all:
Geometron G15, 170/145, chunky build
Nicolai Saturn 14, 140/130, lightish build for general trail use
Norco Torrent AL HT, 150/0
Titus Mutsu Ti, flat-bar gravel/commuter
All 29er. All MTBs are from the same LLS school with 535, 515 and 510mm reach respectively with steep SAs and long WBs. Despite only 15mm difference in rear travel my Geometron and Nicolai ride very differently, but in a good way.
I have no idea how to post a picture but I think mine are all pretty different.
Stanton Slackline gen 3
Stanton SwitchFS
Marin Alpine Trail E2
Sad to say the Stanton's are gathering dust due to the eeeeb
Wheel sizes and purposes 24" street trials , 26" hybrid commuter, 27.5" hardtail.
I used to commute on the hardtail exclusively but since moving my commute is no fun whatsoever on the hardtail so 99% of my riding is on the hybrid and the trials bike.
I wish I could rationalise three bikepacking/MTB/touring bikes down to one.
Currently (discounting half-built projects/restorations) :
27.5 x 2.65 alloy singlespeed monstercross with rigid steel forks, flared shallow drop-bars and hydraulic brakes
29 x 2.2 steel 2x10 MTB with flat bar
700 x 28c steel retro touring bike with flat bar and bar-ends
One has to go. I can’t let the tourer go though. The other two are very similar potentially but also configured very differently in current guises.
Common sense says a flat-bar gravel/adventure/XC bike will do most all that I need as of now.
Something like a Whippet could tempt me.
Thing is I use the tourer to do all the grocery shopping et cetera and the cargo trailer won’t accommodate 29x2.2 (nor 27.5 x 2.65)
Mine are pretty similar frames, but the wheelsets make them ride differently.
SolarisMax with 140 34mm fork and lighter weight wheels and a Kyote bar. Nice for epics, gravel and commuting (which is gravel)
Switch9er for everything else. Fortus 30 wheels, 140 36mm fork. Feels much more planted yet flickable.
Transition Spur is my main bike. It's grey and gorgeous and awesome.
Cotic Soul 26" straight steerer in the One True Colour. Probably turn this into a rigid 650b flat bar gravel bike thingy otherwise it will just rot in the garage.
Scott road bike of some kind. Lock down panic purchase that I haven't really got my head round yet.
Also use the OH's brompton sometimes. So four, but they're all different and I could add a bigger full susser for those times I want to jump mince down canyons. And a fat bike for the beach we're moving near. And a newer geo hard tail for the winter slop. And maybe I'll get more into road biking if I get a carbon one. And I really want/need an electric cargo bike.
Privateer 141 and an Orange Crush29. both fairly slack mid travel 29ers. Full suss for the bigger rides out and hardtail for XC stuff/slop.
Orange charge e mtb
Cube Kathmandu e bike
Shand daunder
Kona wozo fat(ish)
Fat bike gets the least use, Kathmandu is used for commuting etc Shand for day trips and longer mostly on road
Orange for most mtbing
Of the seven, these are the two at opposite ends of the spectrum, for want of a better phrase
Try to keep them at least a little distinct from each other...
2020 RocketMAX - 27.5+/29+ mullet enduro FS - long, low, slack and heavy - VERY quick when it goes downhill.
2012 Epic - 29er ST FS - short, steep, light - pretty quick everywhere until the proper gnar kicks in. Guess it's a bit poundshop downcountry?
2019 Transmitter - 27.5+ LT(140mm Pikes) HT - long, low and slack(ish) - proper all rounder.
2012 BFe - 26er ST SS(100mm DS/jump forks) HT - short, steep and stiff - niche type 2 fun.
Also got a bamboo road bike, a custom klunker cruiser and a kick bike...
Mariachi 1x 10 Blue
Murmur 160/140 purple
Kenevo sl sort of bright red/pink- only bike I've riden since getting it last November.
Indy Fab steel deluxe rigid singlespeed 29.
Kona kula watt 2 x 10; ex Torq team race bike 26.
Travers RussTi frame; either 27 5+ or 29; will be 1 x
Radon sage road bike; alu; force 22 with rim brakes.
Lynskey cooper; force 22 with hydro discs.
Swarf Contour steel FS bike. 115mm travel/150mm fork. Looks and rides lovely.
Ragley BigWig set up SS. Love it for local loops and winter slop. Have just got a set of gears to take on/off, so it can double as a trail bike if needed, or possibly a bike-packing bike for sturdier off road bivvy rides.
On One Pickenflick CX/gravel bike, with a second set of wheels for very occasional road duties.
Covers most bases for me.
Parlee Altum Disc road bike, and a Mason Bokeh gravel bike (700c wheels). Those two bikes cover I reckon 99% of the riding from my door here in the Hertfordshire commuter belt, and with a second kid about to arrive I’m not going to be going too much further for a little bit.
Grey Nukeproof reactor.
Red planet X pro carbon Evo.
Silver planet X London road.
Wish I'd kept my yellow cotic Solaris....
All different.
Transition Sentinel (160/150]
Whyte e150 (with 160mm Smashpot)
130mm 650+ Alu hardtail
100mm 29er Custom steel hardtail
Carbon gravel bike
Used and abused full mudguard steel road bike.
Swapped out a 130mm trail bike for the Sentinel earlier this year and kind of missing it. Not the bike as such as it was a bit small, but the role it fulfilled. Sentinel is a great bike in the right terrain, but loooooong and a bit heavy. Bought it as I was riding bigger stuff on the ebike but wanted a lighter non ebike for the same stuff. Thing is, I’m ending up planning rides to justify the bike and driving more to get to rides. Last issue of the mag has got me looking at the Flare Max. Problem is, that’s pretty capable and I worry it would overlap the Sentinel too much. I know, poor me and my first world problems.
On one pickenflick gravel
Cotic solarismax (run mainly singlespeed, sometimes geared)
Transition Sentinel
Trek Rail eeb
So all quite different. The closest two in terms of intent are the transition and the trek. It's just that the trek has a motor.
Did have a road bike until recently, but it was mainly used for commuting, which I now don't do due to WFH mostly.
Gravel bike with road wheels on is fine.
I've got two that are similar in that they both look like shitting dogs (Pronghorn carbon XC machine and Pronghorn 160/150mm trail bike, both in horrendously unfashionable 26" flavour) but they ride completely different. Still maintained and still used, but very much back up bikes.
Did have a lovely mk1 Banshee Prime in the blue/red colours which was my go-to but that's cracked around the top tube/seat tube brace weld. Warranty is taking an age so in the meantime I've ordered a Canfield Tilt frame in raw aluminium to build up with the Banshee parts. Still waiting on delivery for that...
So started off tall and steep, now heading into to long and slack
Mine seem to be quite different
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I'm trying to decide which of the big bikes to keep, so right now they're pretty similiar- a Cotic Rocketmax, and a Remedy 29. The Cotic's a bitter harder hitting, the Remedy a bit more playful but they both do the exact same job. I love the Remedy more but the Cotic's better
And, just to make some difference, a fatbike.
Tom Howards collection is making me feel better about myself 🙂
Most slack 180/170/63.5
Most appropriate 140/130/66
Most fun for 2 hour blasts 140/0/65
Most confused 🙂
So some overlap. I could ride the Giga all the time especially with some lighter wheels. Really I bought it for trips away/big days out and it was superb in Basque but it's pretty good everywhere else as well.
But I love the Revel here in the FoD, it's mostly perfect. And everyone has to have a big wheeled/big tyred hardtail. The digger I should use loads more for local riding, but I don't really enjoy riding on my own so it gets the least use.
If Revel had the Rail (160mm rear) as a 29 when I bought the Giga, I might have got away with one 'big' bike. Still for a man who once had THREE Ibis FS at the same time, I feel I've made progress 🙂
After riding various Spesh FS' for years, I fancied a change and ended up with these:
Whyte 901 HT - bright green
Cannondale CAAD8 road bike - bright blue
Whyte Friston gravel bike - bright orange
I love them all equally and can't choose between them. Sure, the Friston is the most versatile but my favourite is always the one I'm riding.
Mulling over getting a 29er but don't have the time to look into it or ride it properly.
All very different:
Transition Sentinel - 160f/150r travel with Lyriks / codes / coil spring rear etc. 63.6 degree head angle and reasonably long chainstays etc. 34lbs ish and 29er.
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Marino hardtail - 140mm Pikes / codes / lighter weight build / skinny frame tubes / 65.5 degree head angle and short chain stays - 425mm. 30lbs ish and 650b
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Cannondale Caad12 195 disc - 18lbs ish and obviously quite twitchy as has crit style geometry
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Haro 124 bmx - hi tensile frame, crap brakes and wants to kill me whenever I ride it - looks cool though 👌
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I like to think mine all have a purpose and are very different.
Very fast and capable, light rig. If be worried about taking this to the Alps though. Transition Spur. Bought for epic long distance stuff, but keep taking it to my local
My hardcore hardtail. Can do anything really. Used in enduros, Alps (am there now), and sub 10hr sdw rides. Forks are super plush and important, smashpot converted ultimates. Orange p7
My bigger rig. Great bike. Could be used anywhere, but I'd rather not peddle it all day on xc. Used in Alps, DH and enduro. Easiest to ride in the wet. Ripmo AF
Two black 29er Oranges, one Shiney and aluminium, 1 Matt and carbon.