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"Could". It's only ever a "could" with the Express.

Thing is folks Bill the Fabricator christens those pics over your frames.

Think of it as a sort of phallic-champagne bottle ship launching ceremony..

The WI called. They're cancelling most of you lots membership for being too easily offended.

The WI called. They're cancelling most of you lots membership for being too easily offended.

Have you seen their Calender!! Shocking.

Christened it?

I'm more worried that my LBS still has posters of Lance up on their walls!!!

Now if you lot want to be properly appalled, try going into the back office of the camera shop I used to work in. Not so much that it was papered floor to ceiling with nude/porn shots, more that they were all copies taken from films people had brought in for developing. I suppose digital's killed this fine tradition

(it did make me think that if ever I have a film of pictures of me being poked with a strap-on, I'll build my own dark room rather than nip into Boots)

hora - Member

Thing is folks Bill the Fabricator christens those pics over your frames.

Think of it as a sort of phallic-champagne bottle ship launching ceremony..

That's why they're so expensive- the personal touch.

Have you ever been in an modern office environment where you've seen naked ladies on the wall? I'm sure you'll have been in a few garages that have them up...

The distinction comes in somewhere near: 'work hard play hard'. I can hear Guy Martin saying it now 😉

'Proper grafters' ''men's men' 'nowt wrong wi that' 😉

I imagine Orange just like their staff to feel comfortable and let them have their own 'comforts' around them. They're obviously not scared to show this work ethos and good luck to them, I say.

If you could refrain from using my, quite obviously, tongue in cheek posts to bolster your point of view, which, equally obviously is pure sanctimony, it would be appreciated.

How odd that it's seen as sanctimony to suggest that perhaps the workplace might not be the most appropriate place to display porn. By the way, are you all happy with masturbating in the workplace too, seeing as that's what porn is for?

I mean anyone who would complain about 'hora's frame christening ceremony' is just a hand-wringing uptight arsehole right? 😉

I don't see anyone getting upset over it, it's just a bit '14 year old boy' isn't it

Yeah, now I'm all grown up I don't like looking at tits either.

Get over yourself.

I like looking at tits as much as the next man, there's just a time and a place. I've always found the idea of straight blokes looking at porn together a bit weird, but especially so at work.

....perhaps the workplace might not be the most appropriate place to display porn. By the way, are you all happy with masturbating in the workplace too, seeing as that's what porn is for?

I dont know about you, but I'm pretty sure I can be in the same room as a Pirelli calendar without feeling duty bound to "knock one out"

Also, you seem to be using a rather Victorian sounding definition of the word "Porn" ?

I've already made it look like I care far more than I really do by the number of times that I've responded to this thread. As I've already said my main response is bemusement, especially at how upset some people are getting at the outrageous suggestion that titty mags and work probably shouldn't mix.

Ok nealglover - where would you draw the line of acceptability?

Ok nealglover - where would you draw the line of acceptability?

Whatever the people that work there are happy with.

Seems simple, but I don't see why my ideas of acceptability (or anyone else who isnt affected) should be used to determine someone else's workplace.

I tend to find it works the other way, particularly on a practical basis: men with more than a handful of sexual partners = lucky. Women = slappers.

Men that go out and pull on a saturday night for a one night stand = lucky. Women that do the same = slappers.

Men that look at topless women/pg 3 ladies/pornography = perfectly acceptable. Woman that do the posing = slappers.

Women swooning over men = unfaithful. Men swooning over ladies = just being men.

Women getting older = past it old hags. Men = distinguished.

I could go on. The imagined sexual liberation of women is, quite frankly, disappointing to say the least.

As I said in my original post, there is a good deal of hypocrisy out there with picture of women being nothing more than a bit of slap-n-tickle fun....unless it's their daughter/wife/girlfriend on the picture.

We are still very much a patriarchal society.

No unfortunately you still live in a society governed by nature. In nature younger females tend to go for older higher status males and those males tend to go for younger more fertile women. Also in nature males tend to try to make sure that their sexual partners are carrying their offspring whilst simultaneously trying to shag everything that moves - this explains the bit about "women = unfaithful". You only have to look in the comments section of the Daily Mail to see many women (in equal measure to men) actually supporting General Petraeus instead of his wife.

Last time I heard a girl being called a "slut" was by another female who I thought was reasonably well educated. Instead of just blaming this on men, women need to start addressing their own attitudes towards each other as well. In fact I'd go as far as saying that most of the women in my social circle objectify men and women as much as men do.

Funnily enough, humans are animals. Blame god/the universe/nature and perhaps try to change it but don't let your judgement be clouded by bitterness.

Whatever the people that work there are happy with.

Seems simple, but I don't see why my ideas of acceptability (or anyone else who isnt affected) should be used to determine someone else's workplace.

You'll have to point me to where I said it shouldn't be allowed. Pretty sure I'm allowed to have an opinion on it though.

Quality.
If I had tits I would have laughed them off by now.
All the lads in our workshop have calenders up with the ladies on, these are all calenders sent to our factory's fab department every year by big suppliers of tools, machinery and consumables. If you send a load of blokes calenders with naked ladies on, they're going to get put up.
Dont't have a go at the hard working lads on the shop floor for out dated values, it's more than likely the suppliers wanting to keep the business, thinking "I know what we'll send em a calender with some birds with their tits out!"
And yes I'm up north!

Also the last time I saw nude calendars was in Leicester at the coach station - there is a cafe there run by women - in full view of the public and children they have photos of naked men and their shaved arses on display.

It's only men that like nude calendars at work then? TBH, it's only a human body and I think anyone that get's really uptight about it should learn that the human body is...well fairly normal. I wouldn't put one up at work but I don't really care when I see them.

You'll have to point me to where I said it shouldn't be allowed. Pretty sure I'm allowed to have an opinion on it though.

You asked me for my opinion on what's acceptable and I gave it.

I didn't comment on whatever your opinion is ??

What was the point you were making with this statement then?

Seems simple, but I don't see why my ideas of acceptability (or anyone else who isnt affected) should be used to determine someone else's workplace.

Seems to me to be implying that's what I'm doing.

I see the tits are out on here now!

Seems to me to be implying that's what I'm doing.

No you asked what my views on Acceptability were.

I said that mine, and anyone else's views on what's acceptable are irrelevant as we don't work there.

It doesn't stop me from having my own opinion on what's acceptable, for me. And you have an opinion on what's acceptable, for you.

I just don't see how either of them are relevant to a factory neither of us work in.

Your allowed to have your opinion, just the same as I'm allowed to think its irrelevant.

No unfortunately you still live in a society governed by nature.

For a so called educated person, who comes over as a 'thinker' this is a biscuit taker! Bwaarp are you a biological determinist ?

For a so called educated person, who comes over as a 'thinker' this is a biscuit taker! Bwaarp are you a biological determinist ?

In regards to sexuality, I'm leaning towards nature as opposed to nurture. I've never been won over by any arguments that state otherwise - if you have a strong argument against it - enlighten me.

I don't think many people can handle it though (homophobes or feminists). Personally if it wasn't for quantum mechanics I'd find it hilarious if people thought we had any free will at all.

And just because I'm "educated" doesn't mean I hold the same views as yourself, or the currently fashionable views in academia.

There are so many educated people that I think of highly but disagree with on certain issues - to name a few - Noam Chomsky, Richard Dawkins, Robert A. Weinberg...this list is quite exhaustive.

One of the most interesting and exciting theories I've read about cancer has been made by a once highly esteemed scientist that fell from grace for denying that aids was caused by a virus - he still does, his name is Peter Duesberg. He's still a brilliant geneticist and this theory of his genuinely has some merit - moral of the story, I didn't write him off just because he believes something that I utterly disagree with.

To relay my thoughts on social constructivism vs biological determinism in terms of sexuality, I'd have to write 10,000 words. What you saw earlier was a massive simplification for a forum.

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This thread is a classic!

From calendar girls to Rosa Parks to General Petraeus; all from an Orange Bikes video. Wow!

Bloody thing. That was so apt and so funny. Why couldn't I get that video to work?

Why are the calenders always sturdy anglo saxon women with skin that looks like sausages?

Grim.

Why no Asian or if its white..Czech 8)

Why couldn't I get that video to work?

copy the url of the video page from up top there ^

not from the embed link under the video

I'm more shocked at how this vid portrays British manufacturing than anything else

Have you sold all your orange 5's yet??

time for the Audi to go now too:

bwaarp- i hear your plea, but your synopsis was that we live in a deterministic world, humans have no real 'control' over their actions/thoughts- any small glance at different 'societies' at the moment will show how there are so many extremes of customs/mores-- seperated by imaginary lines( borders). A woman in saudi arabia has very different 'rights' to say a woman in sweden. Is this nature or human intervention ?

I'm no academic,far removed as it can be from that environment, but i can read and write(a little), my brain seems capable of some analysis, and from what i can see we do live in a patriarchal system,i'm sure your'e aware of how capitalism functions, how it wastes so much talent, relies on free labour to support it (womens work in most societies)-- and as we know that which is unpaid is the least valued . Maybe another thread for this 'discussion'!

thepodge - Member
I'm more shocked at how this vid portrays British manufacturing than anything else
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Yeah it makes out that British manufacturing is in fact shit
And hasn't moved on much from the industrial revolution

Yeah it makes out that British manufacturing is in fact shit
And hasn't moved on much from the industrial revolution

But there's a huge number of people out there who seem to love that.

Do you all vet where you get new tyres fitted to your car in case they have a Pirelli calendar? Or how about when you take your car for service? How about when you get a builder to quote on a job for your house - do you make them sign a disclaimer that they will not read the Sun, look at Page 3 or look at women as they walk past in the street?

Just saying........

Do they not know how to access proper grot through their mobile phones, or not video/ photo their ex's or recent conquests going grim things and show them to their workmates? the latter seeming particularly popular with the young lads in our stores and dispatch. Last thing i would be fretting about is a tit calendar, i view them as a cherished remnant of a more innocent time.

Tried the url first, but that didn't work. Then edited it to try the embedded on, then ran out of time for any more edits.

None of the pictures on display in the Orange workshop are illegal (from the out of focus view you get of them none of them are even pornographic), the same sort of images appear in newspapers every day and in advertising all over Europe in less repressed societies. Are they offensive? No, of course not, they aren’t pictures of drowning kittens they are pretty girls with their tops off. Do you get offended when your wife/girlfriend/partner takes their top off?

Is it right to display them in a workplace? I wouldn’t personally choose to, It’s not to my taste, I prefer something a bit more subtle. But if someone else wants to and nobody else objects then that’s their choice and it’s not hurting anyone is it?

there is a good deal of hypocrisy out there with picture of women being nothing more than a bit of slap-n-tickle fun....unless it's their daughter/wife/girlfriend on the picture.

My wife did some glamour modelling when I met her, I didn’t know initially even though we’d known each other for some time. When she told me I was a bit uneasy about it at first, probably not helped by the fact that I knew that I was punching well above my weight, but it was her choice and really there was nothing on display that you wouldn’t see at the beach.

She never felt grubby, dirty, slutty, exploited, degraded by or ashamed of what she did, and really why should she? She is an intelligent, confident, beautiful woman that just happened to be paid to get her kit off and pose for some pictures. Maybe the people who think those things need to consider why they think that way and how does a human body offend them so much?

Anyway to answer the usual questions, 32D and there are plenty already on the internet 😉

My wife did some glamour modelling when I met her,

Pics or you're lying 😀

Bwaarp-- you seem to be trying to mix sexuality with learned behaviours , i agree that sexuality is hard wired , initially,but can be deviated later through nurture/lack of--hence paedophilia.

the response you gave to patriarchy was deterministic imo, and stands no examination.

Maybe the people who think those things need to consider why they think that way and how does a human body offend them so much?

Hmm.... if you were arguing in favour of naturism you might have a point, we are prudish in this country. But Nuts magazine doesn't have a lot to do with a healthy, normalised attitude towards the human body.

But Nuts magazine doesn't have a lot to do with a healthy, normalised attitude towards the human body.

Squirrel porn ?

Do you think that having 'girlie' posters on public display is a sign of insecurity about sexuality, i must display my 'normalness' and remind myself what i like ?

My wife did some glamour modelling when I met her.

What wors said ( . )Y( . )

now she does unglamourous modelling ?

Your arrangement of characters is o-diddly-offensive godzilla.

i agree that sexuality is hard wired , initially,but can be deviated later through nurture/lack of--hence paedophilia.

So by that argument you can "fix" homosexuality? (for the hard of thinking the quotes mean I don't think it needs fixing)

But Nuts magazine doesn't have a lot to do with a healthy, normalised attitude towards the human body.

Yes it does. Nut's target market is young lads from teenage to mid twenties. Show me a teenage to twentysomething lad who does not have an interest in pretty girls and their tits and I will show you either someone maladjusted or gay.

Do you think that having 'girlie' posters on public display is a sign of insecurity about sexuality

Not generally speaking.

There are exceptions obviously, but generally, no.

atlaz- wrong, i do not think you need to fix homosexuality, but paedophilia is not hard wired is it ?

Yes it does. Nut's target market is young lads from teenage to mid twenties. Show me a teenage to twentysomething lad who does not have an interest in pretty girls and their tits and I will show you either someone maladjusted or gay.

Speaking from my experience, pretty was not really the point of interest a lot of times. Actually, I'd argue that teenage boys, whilst obviously frequently expressing preferences for pretty girls in mags were less concerned about chasing that impossible ideal in real life.

[quote=rudebwoy ]atlaz- wrong, i do not think you need to fix homosexuality, but paedophilia is not hard wired is it ?

I genuinely have no idea. Do paedophiles become asexual when "cured" or do they go on to live totally normal lives with an age appropriate partner? There may well be a spectrum that is fixable and others where they aren't. There's enough talk about paedophiles never being released because they're a danger to children or those so medicated they are effectively neutered.

Anyway, I think that the spectrum of human sexuality, what constitutes as being a "normal" part of it and whether you can move people around within it is probably a different forum thread 🙂

scribbles "Hot Buns calendar" off Christmas list.....

.....replaces with "National Trust Properties" calendar...

As much as I think there is still loads to do before we get to sexual equality....I do wonder whether all the pop stars/film stars & glamour models who have their own specific calendars feel that they are being exploited & objectified...or whether they think 'hmmm, I can make a bundle of cash from taking my kit off. 'where's that camera?'

Would the calendars had been in equally poor taste had they been the Women's Institute charity one that inspired Calendar Girls?
If the women have created the calendar, does that change whether it is ok to display it or not?

My concern for all of this is more obvious media where young girls/boys are exposed to music videos that are verging on soft porn & role models wear as little as possible, while being ridiculously toned/trimmed & who have whole teams of people to make them look so 'perfect'. Most of the kids who look up to these people will never be able to look like them, as it is not real, but will beat themselves up about it as they somehow feel inferior.

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I havn't read the middle bit of this thread, I just find it funny that in 7 pages a comment about girly calendars can be morphed into an argument about paedophiles and homosexuality. It is like a twisted form of chinese whispers.

Only on STW.....

rudebwoy - Member

atlaz- wrong, i do not think you need to fix homosexuality, but paedophilia is not hard wired is it ?

That's open to debate but it's widely believed that sometimes it is. (and to be blunt, it's not universally accepted that homosexuality isn't a choice)

I remember reading an interview with a paedophile some years back... He didn't defend it at all, but simply said "This is how I am- try to put yourself in this position. Every sexual thought I've ever had has been evil". That's such a fundamental part of human relationships and interactions, everyday life in fact... Imagine growing up like that, puberty is hard enough. it was very sad.

I don't think every one is like this- it's pretty much axiomatic that the abused are more likely to become abusers for instance, which presumes that there can be external causes.

Men that look at topless women/pg 3 ladies/pornography = perfectly acceptable. Woman that do the posing = slappers.

I saw a woman reading Fifty Shades of Grey whilst waiting for the Tube a few weeks back. No-one batted an eyelid. I suspect that there would have been a different reaction if I'd pulled out a copy of Razzle. Is the double standard here that men are frowned upon for having an interest in sex whereas women aren't, or at least not in the same way.

I've never really understood the hang-ups we have about sex generally as a country / species. We're brought up to believe that it's wrong or dirty in some way, then spend years battling this ingrained repression.

Anyway back on topic.

Who has cancelled their 5 order, not taken their car for service and not got the builders to come and fix their house? Going by this thread I imagine there are several bikeless people in falling down houses with cars that won't pass their MOT......

Mmmmm Boobies

Women buying a rabbit = fine and acceptable

Men buying a fleshlight = wrong and perverted

That reminds me, I need to go wash mine out

Googles fleshlight ..... eew, really? Oh well, each to their own I guess.

Getting back on topic. Anybody who thinks that the image this sends out about Orange doesn't matter needs to ask themselves why companies spend so much time and money building and protecting their brand. In a world where consumers have to make choices between dozens of option that all do the job equally well, image matters.

If virtually everybody does the same (e.g. builders, car mechanics) it doesn't matter. If you are clearly the best or the cheapest it doesn't matter. But none of this applies to Orange.

Personally I'm not offended, shocked, or even particularly surprised that a bunch of welders in Halifax like to have soft porn on the walls. But I am surprised that Orange chose (whether actively or passively) to present this image to the rest of the world.

On a lads trip to Amsterdam we walked through th red light district looking at the ladies in the windows. We were pretty much giggling like school kids. Meanwhile Dutch families were walking through not batting an eye lid.
We do have some hang ups in this country.

I couldn't care less, and I doubt Orange do either.
Anyone who cares what other people stick on their walls at their workplace needs to turn their outrage knob waaaaay down.

franksinatra - Member

I havn't read the middle bit of this thread, I just find it funny that in 7 pages a comment about girly calendars can be morphed into an argument about paedophiles and homosexuality.

Even for this place there's a limit to how much cobblers people can talk about girly calendars before you want to talk about something- anything- else.

Who saw the match last night?

Personally I'm not offended, shocked, or even particularly surprised that a bunch of welders in Halifax like to have soft porn on the walls. But I am surprised that Orange chose (whether actively or passively) to present this image to the rest of the world.

Or maybe Orange thought that their target market was a bunch of quite cool, friendly and relaxed action sports types, rather than a bunch of hand wringing liberal woofters?

I couldn't care less, and I doubt Orange do either.
Anyone who cares what other people stick on their walls at their workplace needs to turn their outrage knob waaaaay down.

^^^^^ This

I saw a woman reading Fifty Shades of Grey whilst waiting for the Tube a few weeks back. No-one batted an eyelid. I suspect that there would have been a different reaction if I'd pulled out a copy of Razzle. Is the double standard here that men are frowned upon for having an interest in sex whereas women aren't, or at least not in the same way.

I see your point but not sure that's a fair comparison. Would anyone have batted an eyelid had [i]you[/i] pulled out a copy of FSOG? Would anyone have batted an eyelid had the woman pulled out a copy of Razzle?

I struggle with long sentences but they maybe happy to lose orders from the ones that find it objectionable as they will mostly be soft southern riders that they do not want buying their bikes for mincing on the Surrey hills. That means their will be no short supply for sweary northerners. Just my tuppence worth FWIW.

Or maybe Orange thought that their target market was a bunch of quite cool, friendly and relaxed action sports types, rather than a bunch of hand wringing liberal woofters?

Then somebody needs to have a word with them !

Why on earth would it make good business sense to upset the "hand wringing liberal woofters"? Their money folds as well as the next man's.

But fair enough, I didn't realise that Orange were actively trying to reduce the size of their order book. Makes perfect sense now.

People would avoid buying Orange bikes because their welders like tits?
They obviously hadn't thought their potential purchase through.
Furthermore, the people offended by this are not really liberal are they?
I'm not offended by a boobie, a cock or even (gasp) a bumhole. That's a liberal attitude to nudity that is.

i dont understand, are some people seriously suggesting that boobies are a bad thing?

even women love boobies!

[i]Would anyone have batted an eyelid had you pulled out a copy of FSOG? Would anyone have batted an eyelid had the woman pulled out a copy of Razzle? [/i]

Either one is surely more socially acceptable than pulling out a copy of the Daily Mail.

Amazing, 7 pages of people getting upset about a calendar/ photo on the wall.

Bless you're precious souls.

You'd see more on Bournemouth beach each summer!

Isn't the orange logo based on a bumhole anyway?

Wasn't that Kona?

Either one is surely more socially acceptable than pulling out a copy of the Daily Mail.

I hide a copy of the mail inside Razzle.

Why on earth would it make good business sense to upset the "hand wringing liberal woofters"? Their money folds as well as the next man's.
But fair enough, I didn't realise that Orange were actively trying to reduce the size of their order book. Makes perfect sense now.

Are you [b]actually[/b] saying that you believe Orange will lose even one single customer because the welders have a couple of saucy calendars in the workshop ?

Or are you just chucking that rubbish in to try and bolster a point ?

Isn't the orange logo based on a bumhole anyway?

To pick up the earlier point about getting your car serviced; I've not seen pictures of semi-naked women on the walls of any of the dealerships that I take our cars to for servicing for many years and I'd be very surprised if I did. Not offended, but surprised. They are dealers for brands that have spent millions building up a brand reputation and image and they are not about to risk that image just because some grease monkey wants to look at a pair of tits while they change your oil.

The guy down the road does have your classic mechanic's poster on the wall. But he's cheap, runs his own business and has more work than he can manage so, frankly, can do what he likes.

Objectification of people is just wrong, it does nothing for anyone really apart from encourage insecurity and other phobias.