[Closed] How many naked women does it take to build a bike

The workshop is a grot free zone, find it all a bit sad, grubby and 80's.

There are still a number of MTB race series that have 'brolly dollies' wandering around in lycra handing out energy drinks 😐 which seems to be a cross over from the MX seen.

Hora.. can we see a photo of your vicious lil westie chewing your childs face off ...?

I, for one, think it's great that people can reform. For example, that they can learn to type and spell properly, without the need to resort to some silly faux-Cockney spelling. It's progress, I tell you. Progress.

Hora.. can we see a photo of your vicious lil westie chewing your childs face off ...?

I've got quite a few of your Mum and Aunt.. buckwild! 😯

It most certainly is.

If you believe so, then please feel free to post an explanation then, rahther than just spouting 'you're wrong' at something oyu disagree with.

All we have "cleared up" is that you seem to think a few harmless pictures of Women in the workshop, and probably a few Harmless pictures of firemen/pop stars/actors in the office (or any combination of those) causes the same Harm as Racial Segregation

What you seem to have failed to notice, is that I wasn't actually commenting on the issue of girlie posters in the workplace, but about certain individuals bemoaing the fact that others might want to speak out against something they disagree with. and then using certain language to denigrate those whose views differ to their own. I used rosa Parks as an example of someone who stood up (ok, sat down!) for something she believed in. A quality I greatly admire in others, even if I don't agree with their sentiments.

We live in the society we do today, with greatly reduced sexism, homophobia and racism, because some people feel it's necessary to speak out against such attitudes and behaviour.

Obviously some on here don't think that's important. I'm glad their views don't take precedence in our society over others.

My mum died when her vicious lil westie tore her face off you sick ****...Can we have some more Hora drama queen moments please today..it's been too long....

...then went to the pub, downed 15 pints, staggered gome, beat the wife and swore at the darkies on TV too eh?

Those were the days...

I wouldn't go [i]that [/i]far. More about the fact there was a time when we didn't apologise for everything we might have said/thought/imagined.

More about the fact there was a time when we didn't apologise for everything we might have said/thought/imagined.

Ah, those will be the times when anyone who did object either had a 'chip on their shoulder' or were worrying their 'pretty little heads' unnecessarily.

Halcyon days, for sure...

Not me mate I was hand wringing apparently

Men like to look at knorks,
Women like to look at moobs.
Big deal, get over it.
Is this seriously the biggest problem in the world at the moment?

Ps i think you meant to add some before the gender bit.

Ban the mini skirt, boob tube, leggings, low cut tops, shorts, vests, skinny jeans, in fact, owt that shows off a bit of skin, lets just all wander round covered head to toe in cloth shall we, preferably black so the gawdy colours don't upset our eyes

Woolly liberal Guardian readers are responsible for lots of the world's ills IMO

You are right back in the past when we were insesitive it was trully wonderful , then along came people who cared and then suddenly we had wars, disease and pestilence.

Its hyperbole central on here today

I wouldn't go that far. More about the fact there was a time when we didn't apologise for everything we might have said/thought/imagined.

Rowan Atkinson said it best in his defence of comedy to the House of Commons. True as well. Perspective..

You are right back in the past when we were insesitive it was trully wonderful , then along came people who cared and then suddenly we had wars, disease and pestilence.

Eh?

Think wars have been round a bit longer than a lefty newspaper...... 😉

Can this Hora person not be banned..? is no one else tired of him talking sh1te all day ..?

If you believe so, then please feel free to post an explanation then, rahther than just spouting 'you're wrong' at something oyu disagree with.

If you want to compare some hand wringing middle class blokes with enough disposable income to be pondering wether or not to buy a £2000+ bike from a factory that has girly calendars in the workshop, with a woman standing up against Racial Segregation then that's fine.

Don't expect me to think it makes any sense though.

I stand corrected we only cause disease and pestilence of the worlds ills...forgive us we are well meaning

Hora is just Hora he doe snot annoy me.

Its a great video.

I wonder how politically correct life is in Taiwan ?

Hora can't be banned. He's a government funded experiment

Right now, you're having your rising blood pressure monitored. Its part of a secret programme to develop the equivalent of nuclear weapons, to use over the internet, in the forthcoming war with China

binners slowrider sent me a parcel and two weeks later I realised what he'd done....

on the parcel was to: Benny Hill

****! 😆

If you want to compare some hand wringing middle class blokes with enough disposable income to be pondering wether or not to buy a £2000+ bike from a factory that has girly calendars in the workshop, with a woman standing up against Racial Segregation then that's fine.

I didn't. Please try to read, and understand what I posted.

Don't expect me to think it makes any sense though.

Judging by your comments, i don't.

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How appropriate Hora....

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Please try to read, and understand what I posted.

I have. And I do.

I still don't agree with it though.

Maybe you just need to live with that ?

I have. And I do.

You don't. Clearly.

Maybe you just need to live with that ?

Now now boys

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Big soft git I may be, but I'm a big soft git who can afford an Orange, so why would they want to risk putting me off buying one?

I find it quite offensive that in this time of austerity you choose to gloat about your obvious wealth, is this the mark of convenient and selective liberal wooliness ?

You don't. Clearly.

You were standing up for people who question what they don't feel is right (no matter how trivial)

And comparing them to Rosa Parks.

(That's what you were doing anyway, it may have changed now)

[i]the mark of convenient and selective liberal wooliness[/i]

I bet it's merino wolliness too, proper middle class stuff.

You were standing up for people who question what they don't feel is right (no matter how trivial)

And comparing them to Rosa Parks.

Indeed. Now you're getting it. however, you sqid it was a 'pointless comparison', which, as we've learned, it isn't at all. As it's merely comparing someone questioning something they don't feel is right with someone who questioned something they diodn't feel was right. So, a spot on com,parison then. The issue questioned isn't relavent here at all, merely the actions taken.

you may feel it's a 'trivial' matter, but others think differently to you. Aren;'t they allowed to do so? Or are you alone the arbiter of thought?

I have no idea what you lot are banging on about but I'm sure this will be taken in the spirit it was meant....
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they'll wear their lawn out doing that.

I'm actually deeply offended by that.

You beast.

The workshop is a grot free zone, find it all a bit sad, grubby and 80's.

This. You can defend it all you want against 'PC gone mad' but this is the reality.

[b][u]LoCo[/u][/b]The workshop is a grot free zone, find it all a bit sad, grubby and 80's

Don't try and pretend you're all modern man. We know you've only come on here to get out of nappy changing 🙂

Mike, I have to applaud the mental dexterity required to link semi-pornographic calenders at the Orange workshop to Rosa Parks. Even by STW standards that is some achievement.

Frankly, I flip from total disinterest to a puzzlement at why people want to adorn their workspaces with pictures of semi-naked people of the opposite sex. Each to their own, but does seem bizarely antiquated. But to the question....

mikeconnor - Member
Why is it, the moment anyone questions possibly offensive behaviour, the anti-PC brigade immediately jump to defend said behaviour?

Is it not less of a case of anti-PC and more of a rejection of double standards? They seem to plague modern debates.

Pictures of women = degrading, exploitation. Picture of men = just a bit of harmless fun.

Benny Hill (since he has been bought into it) = a bit of a pervert. Loose Women = lunchtime giggle.

Man gets slap from woman for staring at woman walking past, women free to oggle at Diet Coke adverts.....

And to flip the sexes on its head - picture of breasts = marginally acceptable, picture of penis = outrageously disgusting. Both harmless (sic) body parts after all?!??

Mike, I have to applaud the mental dexterity required to link semi-pornographic calenders at the Orange workshop to Rosa Parks.

And I in turn must question quite why you are failing to actually understand the point I was making. It really is quite clear, and I've explained this using quite simple language. I haven't at any stage linked 'emi-pornographic calenders at the Orange workshop to Rosa Parks'. I'm quite bemused by how you've come to think this.

To reiterate, what i did do, was to liken those prepared to speak out against something to the actions of Ms Parks. Because while the issues are different, the actions are similar.

Is it not less of a case of anti-PC and more of a rejection of double standards? They seem to plague modern debates.

Pictures of women = degrading, exploitation. Picture of men = just a bit of harmless fun.

I think it's more to do with the locus of control though, rather htan the content itself. In a traditionally male environment, women may well feel uncomfortable with male behaviour that they see as degrading women amnd objectifying femininity. Of course, a man working in a 'female' environment may feel equally uncomfortable, although this is less common if we are to llok at statistics of cases relating to sexual descrimination and harassment in the workplace.

I agree there are some double standards. But surely the key is that all workers feel safe, equal and comfortable in their working environment?

And to flip the sexes on its head - picture of breasts = marginally acceptable, picture of penis = outrageously disgusting. Both harmless (sic) body parts after all?!??

I'd say that pics of either sexes' gentialia are more comparable. After all, female topless sunbathing is seen as fairly acceptable on most UK beaches, yet full nudity not so.

Is it not less of a case of anti-PC and more of a rejection of double standards? They seem to plague modern debates.

Pictures of women = degrading, exploitation. Picture of men = just a bit of harmless fun.

Benny Hill (since he has been bought into it) = a bit of a pervert. Loose Women = lunchtime giggle.

Man gets slap from woman for staring at woman walking past, women free to oggle at Diet Coke adverts.....

And to flip the sexes on its head - picture of breasts = marginally acceptable, picture of penis = outrageously disgusting. Both harmless (sic) body parts after all?!??

I tend to find it works the other way, particularly on a practical basis: men with more than a handful of sexual partners = lucky. Women = slappers.

Men that go out and pull on a saturday night for a one night stand = lucky. Women that do the same = slappers.

Men that look at topless women/pg 3 ladies/pornography = perfectly acceptable. Woman that do the posing = slappers.

Women swooning over men = unfaithful. Men swooning over ladies = just being men.

Women getting older = past it old hags. Men = distinguished.

I could go on. The imagined sexual liberation of women is, quite frankly, disappointing to say the least.

As I said in my original post, there is a good deal of hypocrisy out there with picture of women being nothing more than a bit of slap-n-tickle fun....unless it's their daughter/wife/girlfriend on the picture.

We are still very much a patriarchal society.

sorry mikeconnor, I just don't see what you're getting at there.

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I think it's more to do with the locus of control though, rather htan the content itself. In a traditionally male environment, women may well feel uncomfortable with male behaviour that they see as degrading women amnd objectifying femininity. Of course, a man working in a 'female' environment may feel equally uncomfortable, although this is less common if we are to llok at statistics of cases relating to sexual descrimination and harassment in the workplace.

I agree there are some double standards. But surely the key is that all workers feel safe, equal and comfortable in their working environment?

This^^

It's all about context but in the 21st century I can't think of a work place whereby semi-nude pictures of women is acceptable.

It's all about context but in the 21st century I can't think of a work place whereby semi-nude pictures of women is acceptable.

Photography studio ? 😉

sorry mikeconnor, I just don't see what you're getting at there.

Don't you bloody start as well.. 😉

As I said in my original post, there is a good deal of hypocrisy out there with picture of women being nothing more than a bit of slap-n-tickle fun....unless it's their daughter/wife/girlfriend on the picture.

It's a good point, and interesting that no-one's really commented on it yet. Would anyone who thinks it's acceptable for men to look at such pictures of women also find it acceptable if it were their own wife/girlfirend/mother/daughter/sister doing the posing and other men seeing the pictures? after all, it's just a bit of 'harmless' fun for blokes to leer at women, isn't it?

We are still very much a patriarchal society.

This is a fact some people on here seem to have missed somewhat.

mikeconnor - Member
I think it's more to do with the locus of control though, rather htan the content itself.

..accept that

...I agree there are some double standards. But surely the key is that all workers feel safe, equal and comfortable in their working environment?

Agreed, but....

mikeconnor - Member
And I in turn must question quite why you are failing to actually understand the point I was making. I haven't at any stage linked 'emi-pornographic calenders at the Orange workshop to Rosa Parks'. I'm quite bemused by how you've come to think this.

Nah, sorry, stand by my original point. First use of Ms Parks was still a leap IMO. 😉 [Cue flashback to "Brownie Scene" in Notting Hill]

Well, the women are obviously quite happy to exploit their assets for their 'job'.

So, really, who is exploiting whom?

I think the thing that annoys the most is adverts that use girls. 'glamour' is just that, it's tits and fannys, but adverts with girls is just a bit scummy

Having said that, it does women no favours and I think there are still men out there how expect girls to behave a certain way, or dress a certain way because of the pictures they see.

Not shocked or disgusted by it, just slightly bored and disappointed really

There is a lot of pictures up & I think it makes a difference. Its in poor taste at the very least. If I was the Orange honcho I would have got them taken down for the photoshoot

If I was the Orange honcho I would have got them taken down for the photoshoot

The main difference there (possibly?) is that He/She runs a successful Bike factory, and you (possibly?) don't.

So only one of you really knows (or cares) if those pictures will make a measurable difference to the business.

So........back on point.

Can anyone HONESTLY say they wouldn't buy an Orange bike/frameset because they saw some calendars they didn't like in a workshop manned by men they don't know?

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I miss being able to tag.

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Can anyone HONESTLY say they wouldn't buy an Orange bike/frameset because they saw some calendars they didn't like in a workshop manned by men they don't know?

Anyone who claims to fit into that category is talking pish to try and prove a point.

The main difference there (possibly?) is that He/She runs a successful Bike factory, and you (possibly?) don't.

So only one of you really knows (or cares) if those pictures will make a measurable difference to the business.

I doubt it will make any measurable difference, but still, it looks a bit 'sad, grubby and 80s' - not the image any company is looking to portray I'd imagine.

not the image any company is looking to portray[b] I'd imagine[/b].

Mmmm, [b]I'd imagine[/b] they saw the film before it was released.

Are we allowed put the cyclepassion calendar up in a workshop then? or THE victoria pendleton poster??

Is it ok to have a sexy lady in some clothes calendar or is that 80's too?

If I worked with any of you I'd be far more offended by the amount of time you manage to spend on here arguing over stuff like this, rather than doing your day job..... which you're obviously getting well paid to do to be considering buying overly priced Orange bikes.

And as for the Rosa Parks comment.....oh deary me....

I doubt it will make any measurable difference, but still, it looks a bit 'sad, grubby and 80s' - not the image any company is looking to portray I'd imagine.

Or maybe it portrays them as a company of real, actual Northern men making stuff by hand in a factory in England where they have calendars of girls with their cans out, rather than some clinical, faceless far Eastern conglomerate staffed by 12 year olds? Just a thought........

Or maybe it portrays them as a company of real, actual Northern men making stuff by hand in a factory in England where they have calendars of girls with their cans out, rather than some clinical, faceless far Eastern conglomerate staffed by 12 year olds? Just a thought........

Is that the choice?

All ths over a few pages of Nut's mag that where probably leftup/putup for a laugh? andyrm has it locked down.
My workshop is sooo missing some erm arty? Pendleton images.

Are we allowed put the cyclepassion calendar up in a workshop then? or THE victoria pendleton poster??

A BRITISH CYCLIST!!!!!

You horrible patriotic jingoistic bastard!

Seriously though, there are obviously so many emasculated office workers in here it makes me want to cry.
Well, it would do if I spent my entire day pushing a pencil around a desk and having to be all "modern" and have "feelings" so I don't upset the skirt wearers.

Ps. tpbiker: It's my day off. 😉

I'm really, really hoping that some of the more PC responses in here are more than a little in jest.

Seriously though, there are obviously so many emasculated office workers in here it makes me want to cry.
Well, it would do if I spent my entire day pushing a pencil around a desk and having to be all "modern" and have "feelings" so I don't upset the skirt wearers.

Best post in this thread!!!

Is that the choice?

No there is also the south of england where workshops are all Cath Kidston/Emma Bridgewater and have a special draw for guyliner.

before i saw that video i quite fancied an orange five.
now that ive seen it however, i still fancy an orange five.
its just that now i want a white one.

I don't see anyone getting upset over it, it's just a bit '14 year old boy' isn't it, but judging by some of the responses that fits pretty well. I'm northern and don't work in an office btw.

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double post fail

Wow their are some total PC fundamentalists about...

I don't see anyone getting upset over it, it's just a bit '14 year old boy' isn't it, but judging by some of the responses that fits pretty well.

This. Just seems a bit of an odd way to choose to portray your company. Then again, if it works for their target market then fair enough.

It's a total straw man argument for people to suggest anyone is getting all 'PC gone mad' and het up over this. The only ones getting het up seem to be those in favour of porn in the workplace.

For me it's mostly a mixture of bemusement and being a bit embarrassed for you/them. 🙂

Saying "Urz PC gone mad!1!!" = New Godwin's Law

Still have a big 80s page 3 Sun of Linda Lusardi up in our workplace, makes me glad to clock on every day 😀

makes me glad to clock on

Euphemism?

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It's a total straw man argument for people to suggest anyone is getting all 'PC gone mad' and het up over this.

Fair comment.

The only ones getting het up seem to be those in favour of porn in the workplace.

But doing exactly the same in reverse does weaken your point slightly.

I'm a woman. I own an Orange. I'm not offended by posters or calendars with naked women in them.

But I'm with mikeconnor on this one. Folks need to understand why some people [i]are[/i] offended by grot on the walls.

A lot of people in this thread are missing the point, I think.

There were naked women in that video? 😉

nealglover - this sounds quite het up to me:

Seriously though, there are obviously so many emasculated office workers in here it makes me want to cry.
Well, it would do if I spent my entire day pushing a pencil around a desk and having to be all "modern" and have "feelings" so I don't upset the skirt wearers.

So does talking about 'PC fundamentalists'.

I don't think anyone on either side of the fence is getting "het up" about it personally, and as you rightly pointed out, saying they are is a straw man argument (probably from both sides)

Many moons ago I worked with a guy whos wife was in charge of a large group of men, when she did her first arrival look around there was allsorts of wallpaper some nice and some very nasty. She didnt say anything or show any disgust but a week later she started putting up her own posters some nice and some not so very quickly all the nasty stuff was removed and her point was made. I think it helped when they realised that she had friends living in Holland and as this was pre internet days they wernt going to win and as she was the boss they were never going to.

I guess that's why she got promoted to where she was and got on even further and they guys respected her to.

Wonder if the glamour model on the wall earns enough to ride an orange

I'm quite shocked that welders have pictures of nekkid women on their walls after what I was told about them 😆

Never mind that! There was a Nirvana poster! Orange are glamourising gun ownership and suicide! This is disgraceful.

I shall immediately pen a furious missive to the Guardian to complain. And the Daily Express to ask what Diana would have done about it. Etc.

nealglover - this sounds quite het up to me:

If you could refrain from using my, quite obviously, tongue in cheek posts to bolster your point of view, which, equally obviously is pure sanctimony, it would be appreciated.

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The Daily Express is too busy making up weather predictions to worry about what Diana might have thought about it.

The Daily Express is too busy making up weather predictions to worry about what Diana might have thought about it.

This is a good point. Either that or telling us that red wine will kill us. Or that it will cure cancer.

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