[Closed] How many naked women does it take to build a bike

Just boobies ain't it.

The Rouleur factory visits can be a bit like that.

You do wonder if the people who run them ever think 'I wonder how this'll look to someone living in the 21st century?'

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Didn't realise I helping to keep all of the 1970s' values alive though.

Surely the sideburns tipped you off?

I've visited quite a few metalworkers and joiners in my time and the wallpaper is always like that in the factory.

I do wonder why it's 'ok/normal' in a factory but people would get sacked for putting stuff like that around their desk in most offices?

Who gives a sh*t? Really...

[i]Who gives a sh*t? [/i]

A lot of women (and a number of men).

Man there is a lot of flesh on display in that welding shop

Spare a thought for me. One woman where I work has a Cliff Richard calendar on the wall.

A lot of women (and a number of men).

Oh boo hoo.

Page 3, porn, the Chippendales etc. It exists. Get over it. Don't like it? Just. Don't. Look.

Must be hilarious if you are a young women who wants to work as a welder. Still at least there was no overt racism or homophobia, so that's progress I guess.

To be honest it's not really something that bothers me too much. But it was interesting that a piece clearly designed to encourage me to support British manufacturing actually made me feel less good about my choice.

[i]Page 3, porn, the Chippendales etc. It exists. Get over it. Don't like it? Just. Don't. Look. [/i]

thing is, I can avoid the things you listed by not buying them.

stuff on the walls in photo's in bike magazines or in telly programs is not something I can, in advance, choose not to look at.

and why is it ok in a factory and not an office? My guess is that there is an assumption that women will not be in a factory but will be in an office. And that is the problem with it from my point of view. Not the naked women but the overriding assumption that only men will ever see it so it's ok.

I do wonder why it's 'ok/normal' in a factory but people would get sacked for putting stuff like that around their desk in most offices?

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N+1?

that's not a nerds desk. there's no computer on it...

I'm a surveyor and regularly survey various workshops n the like. Guys do occasionally get in a bit of a flap when they realise that surveying isn't only man's job nowadays and a lady is just about to walk through the endless posters, with usually more than just a rack showing.

Still, that's no where near as amusing as surveying residential flats when the middle-aged-single-man hasn't bothered to hide his VHS+VHS player collection because, again, he wasn't expecting a girl 😆

I've found stashes of all sorts in various roof voids/hidden wall voids and others....anyone who thinks 'down with this sort of thing' is gonna have quite a battle on their hands!

I've only once seen the situation in reverse...in an estate agents somewhere in wales. A lovely picture of some guy called 'black python' or something along though lines....it was a bit -> 😯

I wasn't surprised that Orange were happy to have it showing on the video. At the end of the day, there are very few of us ladies that ride Orange, and even less who will watch the video. It it appeals to their main market, then I guess they need not worry about offending others.

I don't have a problem with it, other than two things. 1) Hypocrites that have the pictures up, but would hit the roof if their daughter chose to make her money in the same way or would call their current GF a slag or worse if they found out she had done something similar in her past. 2) the atrocious wages paid to the majority of ladies in the industry.

They'd removed all the computers by the time I got in there - there were shed-loads of old Psions left behind though 😉

thing is, I can avoid the things you listed by not buying them.

stuff on the walls in photo's in bike magazines or in telly programs is not something I can, in advance, choose not to look at.

and why is it ok in a factory and not an office? My guess is that there is an assumption that women will not be in a factory but will be in an office. And that is the problem with it from my point of view. Not the naked women but the overriding assumption that only men will ever see it so it's ok.

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Not the naked women but the overriding assumption that only men will ever see it so it's ok.

Are women not allowed to see that sort of thing ?

That's a new opinion I've not heard before.

Must be hilarious if you are a young women who wants to work as a welder. Still at least there was no overt racism or homophobia, so that's progress I guess.

I'm an engineer (I love saying that) and the only fleshy posters in the office are the secretary's firemen calender.

I'm sure the 2000 odd blokes here who occasionlay walk past it must feel horificaly emotionaly violated at the sight of all that man cleavage. either that or people are a lot less hand wringingly PC in the real world than on STW.

I'm an engineer (I love saying that) and the only fleshy posters in the office are the secretary's firemen calender.

If you're in the office, then you're not a real engineer 😉

If you're in the office, then you're not a real engineer

I've got a name plaque on my desk that says so 🙂

My orange jump suit is dissapointingly clean though 🙁

I'm sure the 2000 odd blokes here who occasionlay walk past it must feel horificaly emotionaly violated at the sight of all that man cleavage. either that or people are a lot less hand wringingly PC in the real world than on STW.

Blokes weren't traditionally viewed as the weaker sex though, eh? 😉

[i]I've got a name plaque on my desk that says so[/i]

Software Engineer?

people are a lot less hand wringingly PC in the real world than on STW.

I would be amazed if the folk you hang out with are not less hand wringingly PC - whether that is the real world or 1975 i shall leave others to decide

A quick stroll around the office shows 1 calendar with semi-naked firemen on it, another with another with David Becjham in various stages of undress a Kylie one and, for reasons that escape me, a WWE one with spandex clad, flabby sweat monsters.

I am only 'bothered' by the latter.

Many of my clients have "interesting" calendars in their factories/workshops & I can't say as I pay any attention to them - apart from one who's own promotional calendars have ladies on one side & nice landscapes/wildlife on t'other. He simply changes it round depending on who is coming in to see him.

Software Engineer?

Process Engineer (awaits the usual even split between people asking what that is, people assuming it's something else entirely and people asking if i did it for the money).

I didn't see any boobies... 😕

But I did see a tit! 😐

I've got a name plaque on my desk that says so

I used to work in an amusement arcade and the guy who had the set of keys to open up the machines and take the money out was called an 'engineer'. 😛

Why is it ok in a factory and not an office?

I suspect that this is down to the different types of people who work in each as a factory/workshop contains mostly 'manly-men' who feel the need to display their masculinity and don't care about being PC etc, whereas offices contain soft handed overly PC 'new-men' who care about feelings and wear aftershave etc!

But it was interesting that a piece clearly designed to encourage me to support British manufacturing actually made me feel less good about my choice.

you big soft git.

I'm an engineer (I love saying that) and the only fleshy posters in the office are the secretary's firemen calender

Looking around at some of the misfits in our fire station just now, it's the last thing I'd want to see.

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There are some right dogs in this pic:

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Didn't realise I was helping to keep all of the 1970s' values alive though.

I don't see it any different to when I walk into the office next door and see every girl has a gary barlow/jls/daniel craig/fireman calender.

I know there are some posters etc that are worse than others, but in a workshop like that they have health and safety regs that prob mean only the guys that work there can go in. I doubt orange would allow the same calendars to be put up in the entrance for all to see.

That's cute they let the receptionists dress up as firemen.

Its coverage for somewhere that employs British people in British jobs.

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some of you 'hand wringingly PC' types are very sensitive (it made me feel less good about buying British - wtf)...so much so I don't know how you go about day to day life spending your whole days getting offended / upset. There's a lot of bad shoite going on in the world, how do you cope?

The middle aged secretary that sits behind me at work has some hunky looking dude with his top off as her PC wallpaper...so what, good for her. i don't see any of the blokes in the office taking a strop / having a flounce...

[b][u]terrahawk[/u][/b] you big soft git

Big soft git I may be, but I'm a big soft git who can afford an Orange, so why would they want to risk putting me off buying one?

You see, it's not the ethics of Girlie posters that interest me. I doubt anybody's mind will be changed on that one and this isn't the place to discuss it. But they knew the cameras were coming, it would take 5 minutes to take down the posters (and put them back afterwards) yet they chose not to. Why? If it was meant as a **** you to woolly liberal Guardian readers then fair enough. But woolly liberal Guardian readers make up a lot of their market.

Cheers,

Andy

Shep don't make me post up a pic of ours.

Why is it, the moment anyone questions possibly offensive behaviour, the anti-PC brigade immediately jump to defend said behaviour?

Who gives a sh*t? Really...

So you don't think people should ever question something they don't feel is right?

Maybe Rosa Parks should have just stood up and let a white person have her seat then.

Going back ten years, there were wall to wall boobs in our workshops.

These days its all Deer and Ferraris.

Maybe Rosa Parks should have just stood up and let a white person have her seat then.

Most pointless comparison so far.

Congratulations.

Most pointless comparison so far.

Is it? Care to explain why then?

Shep don't make me post up a pic of ours

Receptionist or Fireman 😉

Maybe Rosa Parks should have just stood up and let a white person have her seat then.

Edging things nicely into Godwin's Law territory....

did rosa parks have great knockers and do page 3?

How many of the people objecting are female?

Not many, by the look of it...

how many female forum members are there?

Not many, by the look of it...

some of you 'hand wringingly PC' types are very sensitive

Back to the engineering firms where girls are dolly birds or 'wimin' on reception and foreigners are foreigners hey?

I doubt orange would allow the same calendars to be put up in the entrance for all to see.

so much so I don't know how you go about day to day life spending your whole days getting offended / upset. There's a lot of bad shoite going on in the world, how do you cope?

To speak out hardly means we are crushed and incapable of coping.I
If you would not put a calender in your office reception or your own front room then you know why we object.
if you would put them there then you are somewhat out of touch with current moods.

How many of the people objecting are female?

Not many, by the look of it...

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Quality 😆

The middle aged secretary that sits behind me at work has some hunky looking dude with his top off as her PC wallpaper...so what, good for her. i don't see any of the blokes in the office taking a strop / having a flounce...

Maybe due to the fact that there isn't a massive history (and remaining reality) of sexism against men in the workplace - e.g. women still get paid less for doing the same jobs.

Most pointless comparison so far.

Is it? Care to explain why then?

I would hope you are intelligent enough to already know.

I would hope you are intelligent enough to already know.

i take it you don't actually have an explanation for your comment, then? Ok. Thought not.

so it's not actually a 'pointless comparison' at all then. glad we've got that cleared up.

To be honest, the comments on here are much more interesting than the original piece, although I agree that it is mostly arguments that have been done to death.

Some people seem to be seriously questioning whether others have the right to care. If you don't care, that's fine. Most people would agree with you. But then, most people seem happy to walk through life rarely engaging their brain; pretending that nothing they do has any consequences. In fact, where and how you choose to spend your money is probably the most important political act you can make. The country we live in today was shaped more by the decisions we made about what to buy than any cross we may have made in a ballot box.

Anyway, Hitler would have made them take those posters down.

Right, we're done 🙂

Men like to look at knorks,
Women like to look at moobs.
Big deal, get over it.
Is this seriously the biggest problem in the world at the moment?

Hows Critical Mass going Mike?

The only solution is to ban it all.

All of it.

No pics of semi-naked women or men.

Ever again.

Anywhere.

I still remember people sending round emails with naked women on them as though it was entertainment. Proper oldschool email shit. 👿

Ban the mini skirt, boob tube, leggings, low cut tops, shorts, vests, skinny jeans, in fact, owt that shows off a bit of skin, lets just all wander round covered head to toe in cloth shall we, preferably black so the gawdy colours don't upset our eyes. 🙄

The only solution is to ban it all.

All of it.

No pics of semi-naked women or men.

Ever again.

Anywhere.

But the national gallery would be half empty!

Hows Critical Mass going Mike?

I don't know, as I haven't been able to go along for the last couple of rides. I imagine it's going fine though, as it has done for the last couple of decades or so.

Good to know, i was looking at havin a go on the next london one.

BAN EVERYTHING! EVERYONE! NOW!

Ban the mini skirt, boob tube, leggings, low cut tops, shorts, vests, skinny jeans, in fact, owt that shows off a bit of skin, lets just all wander round covered head to toe in cloth shall we, preferably black so the gawdy colours don't upset our eyes.

Aw! But I like my boob tube!

Too. Much. Information.

I still remember people sending round emails with naked women on them as though it was entertainment. Proper oldschool email shit

Anyone got Hora's email address? 😉

Double post.

Sorreee..

If it was meant as a **** you to woolly liberal Guardian readers then fair enough. But woolly liberal Guardian readers make up a lot of their market.

Woolly liberal Guardian readers are responsible for lots of the world's ills IMO.

I see no problem whatsoever that a factory full of men doing a manly job like welding and making stuff out of metal should have pictures of women. Personally I'd like to see a return to some good old fashioned values where men knew about being men, not moisturiser and man bags.....

I see no problem whatsoever that a factory full of men doing a manly job like welding and making stuff out of metal should have pictures of women. Personally I'd like to see a return to some good old fashioned values where men knew about being men, not moisturiser and man bags.....

...then went to the pub, downed 15 pints, staggered gome, beat the wife and swore at the darkies on TV too eh?

Those were the days...

nothing quite like putting words in someone else's [s]mouth [/s] post...

if you disagree with his point then rebut his point, not your extrapolation of what you'd like his point to have been.

Saying all this my new phone is already creaking from a great deal of hardcore porn content 8)

To be honest I hadn't really noticed. I see ladies wearing less in town on Saturday night.
Women have bodies,some like showing them. Get over it.

nothing quite like putting words in someone else's mouth post...

Its par for the course round here. I reckon most on here are secretly spin-doctors working for the gov practising their dark art here during their lunch-break.

Its laughable.

i take it you don't actually have an explanation for your comment, then? Ok. Thought not.

You "take it" incorrectly then.

so it's not actually a 'pointless comparison' at all then. glad we've got that cleared up.

It most certainly is.

All we have "cleared up" is that you seem to think a few harmless pictures of Women in the workshop, and probably a few Harmless pictures of firemen/pop stars/actors in the office (or any combination of those) causes the same Harm as Racial Segregation 🙄

nothing quite like putting words in someone else's mouth post...

I'd interpreted andyrm's post as being somewhat toungue-in-cheek, and responded in a similar vein.

i'm sorry if you took it that seriously.