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Loved that. ALMOST thought about racing 3/4 last night - wrist still very painful at times. The standard of riding at Hillingdon is not too bad. Vets even better.

Will be back in a month I hope. Fitness levels are errr modest (E123 will be fun!). Coaching Surrey League in the meantime... But it's just not the same 😥


 
Posted : 08/07/2015 5:54 pm
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Race of the year for me this Sunday, the Omloop Van der Drie Dorpen. Short, but only 60% tarmac.
Race of the year and still forgot to renew my 28c's


 
Posted : 08/07/2015 11:04 pm
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Good luck oldgit, that sounds excellent ! 😀


 
Posted : 09/07/2015 5:53 am
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Good luck Oldgit.

Off the Thruxton this coming Tuesday, I'll let you know how I go...


 
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Adam, might see you there. Which cat you racing at Thruxton?


 
Posted : 09/07/2015 7:30 am
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Mr Blobby, I'm a 3rd. I've not been to the mid week at Thruxton, do they run 3's and 4's separately or in the same race? I'll keep an eye out for a NRC rider!


 
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They seem to have now permanently split the 3 and 4 races due to the size of the fields.

I'm already getting a bit bored with the predictability of the racing at Thruxton, but don't have anything else on next week so may come have a play. I'll be in the 4 with the NRC jersey. You riding in banjo kit?


 
Posted : 09/07/2015 8:38 am
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Yep, I'll be in Banjo kit.

From having read here and on the TT thread you seem to have a great engine, plenty enough to make a difference in the race and should be able to get a good few points. If what you've been doing hasn't worked try something different - when you've got a motor like you seem to have put them to the sword at the most challenging times!! 😀

I'll look out for you but if I we don't see each other good luck!!!!


 
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Haha, thanks Adam. I have a decent motor but no sprint! Hopefully get a break going with some help from other riders this time out. Couldn't quite do it on my own last time out. Quite happy with progression though...

1st race: Woah I've no idea what's going on, this is mental!
2nd race: Getting comfortable riding in and moving about the pack and sort of know what's going on. Even quite well placed going into the sprint but get swamped.
3rd race: Nice and easy for the first few laps, went for it solo with a couple of laps to go, got a decent gap, almost made it too.

Is just a bit of fun but it would be nice to bag some points 🙂


 
Posted : 09/07/2015 9:16 am
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I died in my XC race last night. Luckily as it was the last of the series it was more of a "showcase" race - no points.

We started at the bottom of a 200m 12% hill, and sprinted up from the whistle. To my suprise (I'm usually about 10th - 15th place off the line) I looked up to see 2 riders in front of me - two! However it was short lived. After half the first lap I realised I had nothing in my legs, and later finished with riders who I know previously finished 17/18th in front of me, so I was about 10 places out of position. The rest of the family have has a sick bug, So I think I'm afflicted especially as my HR showed about 10bpm less then normal across the board.

In other news Krytonjnr (6yo) did his first MTB race last night in the U12. All was looking good - serious face, rosey cheeks, legs spinning until he fell into a patch of stinging nettles. Cue much crying and we eventually cajoled him into finishing his 2nd lap (of 3). He got off and said straight away "daddy can I do it again, whens the next race"?

Proud dad time...


 
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Nice work by Kryton Jr there 🙂


 
Posted : 09/07/2015 9:42 am
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[i](6yo) did his first MTB race last night in the U12[/i]

Sounds like an evenly contested category! Well done the lad.


 
Posted : 09/07/2015 10:08 am
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Top work by Kryton and the Junior version...


 
Posted : 09/07/2015 1:20 pm
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Ha Ha cheers. Apparently his bike - still adorned with number board - has suffered a puncture and I'm to return home immediately to fix it so he ride to school tomorrow and show his mates.

11th Vet for me, which given my performance was a surprise.


 
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You seem to be making a habit of surprising yourself 😀


 
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Nice one both to you and your lad.

I'm almost always disheartened after racing as there is always something you could have done better (unless you win of course!)

The thing I find useful is looking at the roots and rain website for percentages off the winning time, so long as that keeps going down I'm chuffed!


 
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Enjoyed myself too much today on today's race. Racing onto sectors is a real hoot, no downside at all, just that the 'sponsored' riders are proper fast.


 
Posted : 12/07/2015 5:06 pm
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4th. Compact for the off road and finish climb was a huge mistake. 53/42 would have been ideal.


 
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If you managed 4th then i think that classifies you as proper fast too, well done!


 
Posted : 13/07/2015 9:21 pm
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Omloop looks interesting, might have a crack at it next time. Saving my LVRC debut for our 'home' race in September.

Settled in nicely at 3rd Cat now, some top ten finishes and trying to work out how to convert one. Racing off on the bell probably isn't helping, maybe one day something will stick!


 
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Thruxton last night was great, quite grippy for my inexperience with a bit of wind and blustery showers! It was good to very briefly meet Mr Blobby and he looked strong in the 4ths.

The speed was unsurprisingly a lot higher than the non ranking race at Hillingdon that I did last week. It took me a few laps to settle in after I nearly got dropped a couple of times in the first lap a half because a lack of attention!! Once I'd recovered from my early errors I had a little in the tank for a few bridging moves but not a lot more so made may way through the race relearning positioning lessons, making a few efforts and then sat up before the last chicane so not to get in the way of the sprint.

Great fun.

How is everyone else finding their road season?


 
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Thanks Adam, good to meet you too. Sounds like you had a good race.

Bit of a frustrating one again for me. A fairly slow race again but with everyone seemingly chasing everything. Rode a bit of tempo at the front for a lap or so just to warm up a bit! Put in a big dig on the last lap to bridge over to a two man break but they just waved me through as soon as I caught them and then we got swept up within sight of the finish again. Someone said another break had actually got away but I'm not convinced as I'd been watching out for a decent one. Can be tricky to spot sometimes though as you have breaks and bunches from the 4, 3 and E12 on the circuit at the same time.

As fun as they are I don't think I'll be doing any more this year, need to get some more time in racing the TT bike. Though could be tempted by some road races, and the CX season isn't too far away, then there's some winter XC enduro... hmm seem to be coming down with a case of Krytonitis 🙂


 
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[url= https://www.strava.com/activities/351954526/overview ]Back racing[/url]! Made a few attacks, bridged once or twice, tried not to chase everything. May be just top third...just! 109 points in the red means I'm definitely lacking Short Term Muscular Endurance. FTP looks fine though. Power was from Powercal heart rate monitor as the Stages is on loan.


 
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Good work TiRed, I imagine it's nice for you to be back. You'll back near the front before you know it.

I rode at Thruxton again this week and to be honest I felt rubbish, stodgy feeling legs that didn't want to work in the wind so I was a bit boring as I needed to ride in the group and just rolled in at the end. On a more positive note though and Mr Blobby, you'll be annoyed you weren't there but a break of 2 went from the gun in the 4th cats race and stayed away, I was chatting to Phil Pearce who was one of them and his normalised power was 390w for the race!!

Good luck and keep smashing the pedals!!


 
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a break of 2 went from the gun in the 4th cats race and stayed away, I was chatting to Phil Pearce who was one of them and his normalised power was 390w for the race!!

I'm not sure he's actually human though 😯

It's pretty impressive that he can win a road race on the Tuesday night after having just managed a 2nd place in the Nationals at Elite level two days earlier!


 
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Didn't try hard enough in the Nationals? 😛


 
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Well that's certainly doing it the hard way. I'm curious to know who in the cat 4 race went with him and could live with that sort of pace, suspect Phil P would have been doing most of the work there!

I'm pretty much done with playing at Thruxton for the year as Mrs blobby is now out Tuesday's. Though may have an unfinished business itch and be back for a race or two.

Club TT for me last night which went ok. Course PB and second place but lost my way a bit in the middle third and was a bit down on power, should have gone faster really. Too many disturbed nights recently.


 
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I'm finding it hard to find races at the moment so sticking to TTs. Best result yet in the club 10 mile champs the other night - only my second 10 miler so a PB wasn't unexpected but I didn't expect to come in only 8 seconds behind the ladies winner when I was riding a road bike with clip ons and she was on a full TT set up with disc wheel. I have another race lined up in September but until then I'm struggling to find cat 4 ladies stuff I can get to.


 
Posted : 23/07/2015 8:43 am
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The bigger question is why the hell Phil Pearce is a 4th Cat?! BC have really dropped one recently by not tallying road to off-road any more and keeping each set of disciplines separate. Ian Field is (or was at the start of the season) a 3rd cat!
The whole point of 4th (and 3rd to an extent), is that it's the entry level to the sport, Sunday League if you like. Allowing someone to ride who can smash 390NP out for the duration kind of defeats the object...


 
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The bigger question is why the hell Phil Pearce is a 4th Cat?!

He won't be there for long!


 
Posted : 23/07/2015 9:05 am
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No doubt 😆


 
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It's a really good point LS, the system goes something like this; those who finish the season in the top 5 (maybe 10?) in the elite MTB rankings automatically gets a 2nd cat on the road for the following season but there are exceptions such as Phil and Ian who slip the net because Phil was an Expert last season and Ian probably hasn't accumulated enough points in MTB to rank highly enough. These riders should be able to contact BC and get an 'upgrade' but apparently Jason Boutel (spelling, sorry Jason) tried this week and got declined despite his MTB elite ranking and the fact that he was running 3rd, behind Phil at the Nationals before a puncture.

It might make you feel a bit better to know that Phil raced 3/4's at Eelmoor last night a came [i]just[/i] 13th - maybe he is human!!


 
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Excellent new TiRed! See from in September onwards 😈


 
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It's not that long ago that Elite MTB automatically got a 1st cat licence, Experts a 2nd etc. Ok, that threw up the odd problem whereby someone with no bunch racing experience found themselves with the fitness but completely out of their depth on the road, but avoided a bunch of beginners getting scudded by international cyclocross riders 😀
And it used to be that if you'd ever been higher than a 4th cat, you could never drop down to 4th cat. That's gone too - I'm a 4th this season as I haven't ridden on the road for ages, but I was a 1st not that long ago (I'm no less fast than then). Where's the fairness in me riding with 4ths?


 
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I guess the thinking is that if you're good enough then you'll work your way up to the right level pretty quickly. I doubt it happens in sufficient numbers to be that big an issue.


 
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LS, all fair points but I guess as Messers Blobby says, it should take long for the odd extra strong 3/4ths to get promoted, yourself included by the sounds of things.

I'm surprised than you were given a 4th, I'm in a similar position; until 3 weeks ago I'd not raced on tarmac for about 4 years after the first full season away my 2nd cat was replaced with a 3rd and that's where it's stayed.


 
Posted : 23/07/2015 9:40 am
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Yeah I've been a 3rd for a couple of years but for some reason got a 4th cat licence this year - someone obviously reset a database somewhere!


 
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It getting to be that time of year again when all the top cyclocross riders come out of the woodwork and do a few crits/RRs on their cat 3 road licences - cyclocross ringers as I like to call them 🙂 In South Wales so far this year this includes Steve James rocking up to a local 3/4 Wednesday night crit.

Last August, whilst still a 4th cat and gearing up for 'cross season myself, I raced a 4ths only crit in the pouring rain in which I got away in a break of three. The other two were far too strong for me and rode me off their wheels; I slinked back to the bunch and they went on to finish 1-2. Turns out one of them was Joe Lally (top 3 material in the Welsh 'cross league, whereas I am propping up the top 20 on a good day) and one was an ex first 1st cat rider, now a french ex-pat, whose french racing licence made him eligible to race as a cat 4!


 
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I've just had a read up and I had misremembered, the deal from BC is below:

[i]A rider who, at the 31 December of the previous year, was listed in the top 10 in the elite men's British Cycling Cross-country MTB Series rankings may also claim an elite licence.[/i]

It seems the rider needs to 'claim' their Elite road license, I read that as it not being automatic.

Anyway, back on topic - 3/4 cat circuits racing here I come!!


 
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First race back on the road bike on Sunday, great to be back but was kinda disappointed! Def felt it in the legs during the end despite it being a short one, I've really only be riding for an hour and half max all year.

Anyway, it was windy as ****, a few riders went up the road but got reeled back in, at one point 2 were up the road and a team mate had a gap and seemed to be getting closer so I exploded off the front and bridged over to him and told him to come with me, was riding for maybe 3-4 more seconds when he shouted he was ****ed so I just sat up too.

Last lap came and a beast got off the front and solo'd for the win, mighty impressive!! To be honest I didn't even realise anyone was up the road 😳 thought it was a proper bunch sprint!!

Finish straight is a fairly horrible one, 90 degree turn off the main road and a good enough gradient that you know it's a hill with 3 distinct kicks but shallow enough that drafting is key, I tried desperately to not get boxed in (as I said prior to turning off it's a main road and people were starting to take risks crossing the white lines far too much) but did anyway and came around the last corner fairly far down 🙁 still, at least I got the Strava KOM for the finish (kinda, it's shared (ewe), same time as last years winner who incidentally got 2nd this year!) that's all that matters right... 😉

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2/3/4 for me on Sunday, 66 miles and pan flat.

Should be quick, and a probable soaking looking at the forecast!


 
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Yeah I've been a 3rd for a couple of years but for some reason got a 4th cat licence this year - someone obviously reset a database somewhere!

That is odd, I'm still a 3rd, and I've not done any road racing for years.


 
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I'm in only my second ever road race tomorrow in Sheffield (it's a circuit at Forge Valley, 4th Cat only) and the nerves have started already! Lasted 25 mins (of a 40 min race) on my debut at York Sports Village a few weeks ago before being lapped out, but came away more enthused than disappointed. I'm hoping that tomorrow will be a bit more of an even field, as the majority of the stronger riders who were obviously better than 4th Cat, but racing beginners like me, will have progressed to their own level now, leaving us 'pure 4ths' to our own devices. I suppose I'll find that out tomorrow...


 
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Forge Valley (Sheffield) Circuit Race
Unfortunately the pleasant dry weather that I set off in this morning had deteriorated into bleak rain by the time I arrived at the track, although the relatively sheltered position helped to keep the wind mostly in check.
It wasn't a full field of riders that took to the start line, but you can only take on what's put in front of you! I didn't have time to put any deep thought into my tactics for the race, but it soon became apparent that the rather unusual banana shape of the circuit wasn't going to suit my riding style - with 2 narrow straights and a virtual roundabout at each end making overtaking difficult and no chance to get the pace up for any length of time.
One thing I did really want to do though was stay in the bunch for as long as possible. In the event that proved to be easier than anticipated as the soaking track and tight corners meant that once the stragglers had been despatched off the back the 10/11 up front ended up in one long line most of the time. Unfortunately though, I didn't have the confidence to give things a go on the front to try and stretch things with a long punt for home as my legs were still a bit heavy from last weeks exertions. So, despite my lack of sprint, I sat in and hoped that a decent position on the last lap and a bit of luck would see me through. At the bell I was sat comfortably in 3rd, hoping to get round the first roundabout unscathed and planning on a dash down the outside on the back straight to get me into the last roundabout in front and then the rest would have to get round me on the finish straight to take it. The bell sounded and the whole bunch came over the top at once!!
After that there just wasn't the time and space to recover position. As suspected, my lack of sprint cost me and I couldn't make up places on the last straight, finishing in 9th place.
On the positive side, that's my first couple of points in the bag and I got them on a circuit that didn't suit me, in lousy conditions with heavy legs. I've also gained a little more experience and felt like I was at least competitive.
Onwards and upwards!


 
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One thing I did really want to do though was stay in the bunch for as long as possible

Good plan and that is my Racing Objective 2. You want to aim for staying in the TOP THIRD of the bunch if you can.

After my Masters outing, I was thinking of racing the Hillingdon BC West Thames 3/4 on Tuesday night in lieu of the club ride. But I've been warned that now points are up for grabs, standards are down...

So it will be my first E123 of the season. I raced one last year that was so hard I could barely walk the next day! Smooth and fast (29 mph average), which means, based on current (un)fitness levels I'm going to suffer.


 
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any idea how our OP got on at Bonty 12/24? results are out but it didn't say Kryton57 in the results (i don't know his real name :oops:)


 
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There's obviously a story there, he DNF'd after less than 8 hours...


 
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Got the soaking I expected in the 2/3/4 this morning, 66 soggy miles including the neutralised first lap after a motorcycle outrider took an unexpected left hand turn with the bunch cruising along at 30mph towards the correct turning half a mile up the road.

Cue much confusion and carnage with bikes, bottles and riders scattered all over the road. Managed to keep it upright despite my brakes barely working in the soaking conditions, really thought I was done for but just found a gap to squeeze through.

Commissarie bought the now split race back together and restarted, break stayed out and I got back safely in the bunch.

Quite a few crashes today, happy to get back in one piece!


 
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A nice story with a positive ending for TSA, good work that man.

I hadn't realised 3/4 at Hillingdon was now giving points, it'll be a shame if it has lowered the riding standard because it was pretty good when I went a few weeks pack, especially compared to how it used to be!!


 
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So it will be my first E123 of the season. I raced one last year that was so hard I could barely walk the next day!

Prescient. 44+ km/hr average. Managed to keep top third for most of the race. Broke myself bridging to an unsuccessful breakaway. Then watched the peloton ping past as I just managed to hang on. Recovered and back near the front chasing the (now successful) Elite breakaway, which we never caught in the wind. Boxed in with five to go, never got very close to the front and had a little left at the end to pass a few stragglers at the back of the bunch. Mid third and very pleased (and sore).

98 Points in the red and an average HR of 175 for 65 minutes. 😛


 
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I popped along to Hillingdon last night and rode the now point scoring 3/4 race as Thruxton wasn't on. I had a great time but unfortunately I think adding ranking to the race has made the racing a little negative because as per a lot of 3/4 racing a lot of riders are keen to chase down but then sit up (thinking that they'll do a little better in 'sprint' if they don't work now!!), it ruins the flow of the race and causes potentially dangerous concertinaing.

All that being said I really enjoyed working hard to keep the speed of the race up and attacking at crazy times - it was a really good workout but I just wish other guys would commit and pull hard!

I hope you're all enjoying your scraps on the tarmac!


 
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Adam, that sounds frustratingly familiar!

Back to testing here. Though I think only about half a dozen races left for me now this season and not on super fast courses either, bit of a shame.

Then I think it'll be some scrapping in the mud at brass monkeys just to keep me sane over winter.

Then it's time to think about some goals for 2016 🙂


 
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Good luck with the TT's!

There is racing at Hillingdon on most Saturday's over the winter or come and race the Wessex league, time trialists seem to have the knack of being good, especially those with a bit of mtb in their history!! NRC always seem to have a reasonable turnout too.


 
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Thanks Adam. Wessex league is very appealing (as was your Summer CX) but don't currently have a CX bike. I could go have a conversation with Mr Banjo but with a new TT bike also on the shopping list it would likely get me into trouble! I think I'll stick to the brass monkeys plan but will check out Hillingdon over winter too.


 
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OK, advice required. Since my first race I've been doing TTs for the last couple of months and getting faster steadily, but struggling to find ladies 2/3/4 races. I've got one entered for September but there doesn't seem to be anything at York (the closest closed circuit).

I've found a 2/3/4 race but it's a bit more of a step up than I was hoping for at this stage. It's 2 stages on the same day - the 2nd is a TT which is absolutely fine, but the first is a 42 mile road race. That's rather more serious than 40 minutes on a closed circuit. Is that too much of a step up or should I just go for it and hope that other people get dropped too...


 
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Is that too much of a step up or should I just go for it and hope that other people get dropped too...

Only one way to find out. Definitely go for it 😀


 
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any idea how our OP got on at Bonty 12/24? results are out but it didn't say Kryton57 in the results (i don't know his real name :oops:)

Well, until a small "off" meant a recurring injury cropped up again.


 
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I've found a 2/3/4 race but it's a bit more of a step up than I was hoping for at this stage

I was thinking of doing that race too as stage races suit me but its quite a way to travel and I haven’t raced since I crashed in May because my shoulder still hurts. Stage races are a bit of an unknown if you’ve not done one before – in terms of knowing how your legs react to double stages in one day / getting your nutrition and recovery right between stages etc. This one is interesting with the RR before the TT which I suspect will change how the race is ridden. I don’t think anyone reaches a level where they feel ready to race as such – there’s always nerves about taking a step up esp in women’s racing where you are up against pros, excuses like not fit enough etc. If you want to do it then race it and have fun, set mini goals so you’ll feel like you’ve achieved something even if worst case scenario you get dropped.


 
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Anyone on this thread ever do Tameside at all? There's usually a 4th only each Tuesday night which I fancy a crack at. Other riders from my club (HDR) have had a fair bit of recent success over there, with several picking up wins and others accumulating enough points to graduate up to 3rd Cat.


 
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Urgh, Tameside is a horrible circuit IMO. Raced there once, never ever again! I take it Salt Ayre (Lancaster) is too far for you to travel? Its a much nicer circuit.


 
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I've never raced a Tameside so can't comment but I have raced a few times at Preston which may not be too far from you and the week night handicap is fast and furious but a good standard of riding.

HighG5, I don't know you region at all but some of our local circuits allow ladies to start with 4ths or 3/4 and if there's enough of you (10 or more) they tend to start a separate race for you. It might be worth enquiring at York, I can't believe they don't offer anything at all for ladies.


 
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They do sometimes (my first race was there) but the evening July series was juniors/men. I could race with the men but I'd be dropped fairly quickly (my OH got dropped when he raced and he is faster than I am...)


 
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Re the womens racing in Yorkshire I'm sure I saw an appeal by the organisers of some racing in Driffield(?) or somewhere East Yorkshire, basically saying that they never got enough women to enter the races, hence they were looking at suspending. I noticed only because an acquaintance of mine from around there is a great road rider and probably well capable of holding her own in Cat 4 or even higher, yet doesn't ride competitively.

Not really relevant to anything other than to say I think the more participation, the more motivation it provides for other female riders, which can't be a bad thing. Given the number of women in my road club and on the roads in general, it would appear there is a population being underserved by the current competitive structures.


 
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Yes, the race I did only had 9 entrants so I can kind of see why they don't try to squeeze a womens race into the evening events when time is limited and there is a bigger field for the junior/mens races. And I'm sure that if they did squeeze one in it would end up being too early for me to actually get there in time anyway...

It's actually one of the reasons I'd like to do the 2 stage thing even if I'm a bit out of my depth because if I don't take the opportunities that are there they might disappear too.

I may see the organiser tomorrow anyway (he does our club TTs) so can sound him out about how beginner friendly it is.


 
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I believe at Tameside that one week in every four they substitute the 4th Cat race for a female only?


 
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Hjghg5, if you want beginner friendly then try the 2/3/4 at pimbo in March / June, wide, flat & like a longer crit.


 
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Ladies can enter mens races one cat down. That said we have ladies racing E123 races at Hillingdon. There are also ladies races at Hillingdon every other Wednesday.

Enter and see how you get on. It's a very steep pyramid in ladies racing, so there is no harm in having a go.

I'm going to race at Paignton tomorrow night as I'm down seeing the family. Nice circuit where I did my coaching course last year. Twisty and technical so good for breaks!


 
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Our summer crit series finished last night, I've missed the last few but returned for my best result of the season finishing 2nd in the 3/4.

36 points for the season to date with 3/4 & 2/3/4 road races over the next 3 weekends before going away on holiday, then it's on to my first LVRC.

Really enjoyed my first 'proper' year racing & already thinking about next year, thread has been a great source of motivation...wish I'd have done all this sooner!


 
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I had a real confidence boost from the TT on Thursday. 6th overall out of 23 riders and the fastest time by a female club member since at least 2008 (which is as far back as the results on the website go). And that was despite getting stuck behind a tractor at the end.

Which won't necessarily help me when racing as the TTs don't involve accelerations etc, but at least it gives me a bit of confidence!

I also tried focussing on group riding skills on the club ride yesterday - we don't go amazingly fast but I paid attention to holding the wheel in front round corners and when taking a drink rather than my usual habit of dropping back a bit then chasing back on.

The finger is hovering over the entry button.


 
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Well I'm in at Tameside tonight. It's fair to say that the old nerves are starting to kick in already...


 
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Good luck Assassin and to HighG5, just do it.

No racing for me this week, damn work getting in the way! I'll be at Big Dog this weekend to make up for it though!!


 
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Well I'm in at Tameside tonight. It's fair to say that the old nerves are starting to kick in already...

Which race you doing?
I'm going to start my racing season (in August...) and do the 2/3/4 race.


 
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In the 4th only, straight after you. I've a couple of team mates in the 2/3/4.


 
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Am racing in the 4th cat tonight too. Keep an eye for me and say hi, I'll be racing in yellow Dinnington RC kit.

Good luck!


 
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Think we both raced a couple of weeks back in the rain in Sheffield? I'll be in grey/orange HDR kit.


 
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Aye, down at the forge valley 'torrential rain anytime of year circuit'.


 
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Big field in the 2/3/4 race tonight, maybe 36 or so. I started near the back - just how it ended up as we all lined up. Got caught up in a bit of a wobble a couple of laps in as everyone was jostling for position. Nothing major but it caused two slight splits near the back of the bunch, I got caught in the middle, spent 3 laps chasing then sat up and just waited for the other dropped riders. Together we caught a few other stragglers and formed a decent working group of 8 about half a lap down on the main field. Kept picking up stragglers as the main field shelled people out then eventually we got lapped.

Sat at the back of the main bunch until 3 to go then drifted off the back so as not to get caught up in their sprint.

Wasn't last and given that I've done zero racing so far this year (and not ridden Tameside for 2 years) it was more or less the result I expected. Will see what the weather is doing next week, if it's nice again I'll do that and hope to stay in for the full race.

Took me a while to settle into the rhythm of the track and get myself feeling relaxed, maybe now I've got that out the way it'll be quicker and easier to get up to speed next time.

My poor little 3rd Cat licence will have to stay at nul points for a bit longer...


 
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My poor little 3rd Cat licence will have to stay at nul points for a bit longer...

I shouldn't worry, mine's on one point. Cracking 2/3/4 race last week with 45 riders and a technical circuit. Cut up on the last hairpin meant I lost at least five places and finished top third (just) at 18th. Was going to race Hillingdon E123 but work got in the way tonight. Shortlisted for a Surrey League RR on Sunday, so we shall see.

Did you singlespeed it?


 
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Sounds like you were in the same working group as one of my team mates, Crazy Legs. Unfortunately I was busy warming up and only caught a couple of laps of the 2/3/4, so didn't get a chance to see if I could work out who you were.

The 4th Cat went pretty well for me in the end. I got dragged round at the back of the bunch for about 15 laps, finding it difficult to pick up places due to constantly getting the hairpin wrong and the bunch being quite big on the narrow track. I'd planned to 'go' early if I was feeling good and in a position to do so, but the first time I saw the lap board there were only 4 left. Eventually, with only one and a half laps to go, I saw an opening on the back straight and put the hammer down. From back of the bunch to straight off the front I was now committed for home. I hit the bell leading the way and managed to keep ahead until the final series of corners, where several riders came through on my inside. I clung on to the finish and came home in 6th place, which I'm chuffed with.
Well done to karlwoof who spent most of the race in the first 3 or 4, doing plenty of the graft up front. Sorry I missed you at the end and never got chance for a chat.


 
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Well done everyone, makes a fanatics read!

I'm looking forward to getting back into this. What's happening a Hillindon from Sept-Feb TiRed?


 
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