[Closed] Hora's new frame time. My word its nice.

looks nice 🙂

*awaits "will a Foes shock fit my new frame?" post*

The photo doesn't do it justice. It also comes with a low BB shock mount already fitted. I am genuinely excited. I've not been like this over a frame for a very long time.

new bikes are always ace, some acer than others.

I'll look forward to doing a critique of your garden shortly 😉

I'll give you 150 for it when you sell it next week.

Nice. I love custom Ti hardtails.

Which chinese factory did you supply your measurements too, to get them to build your titanium hardtail, in the end?

Oh.... hang on a minute? 😉

They are great bikes , what are you planning to use it for?

I'll give you 150 for it when you sell it next week.

Why not invest in the Enduro frame that I'm selling then? 8)

They are great bikes , what are you planning to use it for?

Everything. I only own one bike.

Nice. I love custom Ti hardtails.

Nice. I love custom Ti hardtails.

It will make a great phat bike!

I'll take it for a tenner...

[i]I'll take it for a tenner...[/i]

and to think I didn't believe those rumours when I heard them.

what are you planning to use it for?

Riding the mile down to the Marble Beer House where it will look ridiculously out of place, nestled among the fixies outside 😆

I'll take it for a tenner...

Riding the mile down to the Marble Beer House where it will look ridiculously out of place, nestled among the fixies outside

*deep American voice*

[b]Appearing sooooon, in a classifieds section near youuuuuu[/b]

[i]This is a large[/i]

Who are you and what have you done with Hora?

doesnt this have the same or nealry the geometry as the enduro you are selling.

plus the enduro is a lighter frame??

oh, I'd do THAT for free with Hora... I've heard that it's all smoke and mirrors anyway...

Good god no please don't tell me he has bought a bike that may be the right size for him!!!!

lord help us all.

*is sure Hora will make up for this next time by buying a 14" jump bike at a XC weapon* 😉

[i]Good god no please don't tell me he has bought a bike that may be the right size for him!!!![/i]

we'll have weeks of what stem length/can I run a layback seatpost back to front as my TT is too long threads 🙂

doesnt this have the same or nealry the geometry as the enduro you are selling.

plus the enduro is a lighter frame??

SssssHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At the risk of opening a right old can of worms: what forks are going on it?

Is that the horrible Poo brown colour? Thats what my Enduro was like before I stripped it.

What size shock does it take? I have a Monarch+ on my Enduro and it feels great, I have tried DHX Airs and Vanilla RC's but the Monarch+ is the best.

[i]what forks are going on it?[/i]

Rigids, for chuckability

what forks are going on it?

I'm selling a 09 Enduro BTW not the earlier one.

Poor hora, he's had the enduro a year now but you're all still ribbing him.

Do they have any more for sale Hora?

I_Ache- can you run the same eye-to-eye/stroke on the old Enduro as the SX? What length etc is yours? I'll keep a lookout for a Monarch+ as well then

Do they have any more for sale Hora?

Is it one of these?

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Loved mine. Even managed 36 miles in the Peaks one day on it. I did have to go and lie down for a week afterwards tho. It was SO MUCH fun DH, rather less the other way.

Coil shock FTW.

It's Brown isn't it?
It looks Brown to me..
It is Brown, noooo can't be..

Wot size weels? Them small 26" jobbies or a grown up Mans 29"

I've some brand new Bonty Carbon 720mm bars and a ritchey 80mm stem that would go on that nice like.. init.

Please God, no white rims.

Get a gert big ****-off GNAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR coil shock on it!!!!

No shock = warranty frame, not NOS. Not that that really matters.

Binners if I could afford it'd be ti.

If anyone sees any shocks for sale along the lines of:

8.75 x 2.75 (2nd choice), 9 x 2.75 (preferred) or 8.5 x 2.75 give me a shout? 🙂

Im sure its not far off 09 enduro geometry but a lot heavier!!

plus these frame bob like a bitch to, my old one had a dhx5 on it and still bobbed around.

what are you trying to achieve hora??

Renton I've ridden both that gen SX and the Enduro I've got now- I never really got on with this Enduro- always top-heavy feeling. The older SX does bob and doesn't climb brilliantly but its just soooo much more planted and inspiring for a average rider like me.

fair one like !! i really liked my 06 one but just couldnt get on with the weight of it !!

should build up quite nice though !

Hell, Hora you must have legs of steel!
I had the Enduro from that vintage when I lived in the Peak, and found it bloody awful to drag round, specially in the winter- a full build of that SX with a coil and TST2 must be going to come close to 40 lbs! Good luck with it though.

Hora its a 222 xx 66mm (8.75x2.6") so looks like it will fit but give you around 156mm travel.

plus these frame bob like a bitch to, my old one had a dhx5 on it and still bobbed around.

Of course its going to bob like billy-o with a DHX 5 on it, its a DH shock (the name gives it away) its not designed to be firm when pedaling up a steep fire road.

FWIW mine does bob a bit but with the compression on full it is almost locked out. As it is a 3 position compression leaver i can easily flip it round to open if I want. I normally just leave it in the middle setting and the bike is great.

vinnyeh- I had a medium new shape SX trail that I bought and sold on for a trip to the Alps last year. I'd have kept it if it had been a smidge lighter or longer but.... I climbed it from Edale to the top of Mam Tor on the road without stopping. I was VERY SLOW though. Just turning the cranks 😆

Cheers I_ache- if you see a similar one give us a shout. The search starts 🙂

Just so I can put up a gratuitous pic here is my Enduro of the same era. I think the 05 and 06 SXs were identical apart from the shock shuttle but the 07s were modified with thicker tubes and more travel.

My Enduro is about 32lbs with Air Lyriks and shock, I don't mind riding it all day but it is certainly more suited to rough DH blasts than slogs over a moor. I would take it over a moor if I knew the DHs warranted it but I have the BFe for longer rides. Plus I can still nail most of my mates DH when I'm on the BFe 😉

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How much are you hoping to spend on the shock Hora?

Loved mine. Even managed 36 miles in the Peaks one day on it. I did have to go and lie down for a week afterwards tho. It was SO MUCH fun DH, rather less the other way.

Weakling! I've done 40+ in the Lakes and not been completely dead on my pitch, same/similar build exept for an air shock.

you need to sort the drainage on your lawn out I_ache.

Loved mine. Even managed 36 miles in the Peaks one day on it. I did have to go and lie down for a week afterwards tho. It was SO MUCH fun DH, rather less the other way.
Weakling! I've done 40+ in the Lakes and not been completely dead on my pitch, same/similar build exept for an air shock.

Oi I resemble that remark 😉 I think it was 36lbs. And it had a DHX on it. So pedalling was basically half forward/half up and down. It is the only time I've beaten all my mates down potato alley and Hagg Farm tho 🙂 I also managed to ride that cheeky Vertigo trail without monging myself.

It was bloomin heavy tho. No amount of MTFU made we want to repeat that loop 😉

wwaswas thats the pond at the bottom of my garden.

Have a look at this Hora, very cheap as its an older one. Loco would be able to tune it if needs be.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290804706544

Ideally sub 139.

A mention to slowrider of this Parish. He offered me a free 200x57 DHX5 coil but the cost of adjusting it would cost c200+spring cost :O

Still that was a lovely thought. Top bloke.

Awesome bike, seven years ago...

Awesome bike, seven years ago

Awesome bike seven years ago= Awesome bike today

Mine was pish. Climbed like my downhill bike, descended like my trail bike, absolutely pointless thing. I guess it might have made some sense a few years ago when trailbikes were mostly not as good as they are now? On the plus side, this one's a nicer colour than mine.

On this occasion, when Hora sells it in 3 weeks, it'll be the correct choice 😉

On the plus side, this one's a nicer colour than mine.

whattt! the colour could be worse?

Poo brown's a brilliant colour for a bike! Mine was the incredibly dull grey-green.

er, i've got an (get's calculator)...

8.75" x 2.75" shock - it's an old fox vanilla RC, it had very little use, then got serviced/pushed, then used twice, and now it's sitting at the bottom of a very comfortable drawer.

i've even got a couple of springs - a 400 and a 450 iirc...

tempted?

Head angle looks a bit steep.

Or slack.

Either way, it just looks wrong.

ooh, that reminds me to finish getting my old enduro of similar vintage (2005) back up and running, just need gears for it and then its done.

Loved that bike - feels a bit heavy in comparison to the mojo HD that replaced it though.

PS - I give it 3 months until the chainstay cracks.

Awesome bike 7yrs ago versus £1400+ for a Rocket etc.

Let me think about that. Sorry no. I dont have 1400-2000 for a new frame thats 1lb lighter.

I'd rather spend the money elsewhere. That frame was CHEAP and it certainly isnt worth well over 1k to save 1b is it?

ahwiles email in profile

I've a 400lbs ti spring that would fit a Fox shock. But if you email me for details and I send a long detailed email back at least have the manners to say thanks, but no thanks if you don't want it. Mmm'K?

m'kay 🙂

No email?

Heres my old enduro !!!

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It weighed in at 36pound in the build you see

It was amazing in its day going downhill, totally confidnece inspiring but as I said an absolute ****t to ride up hill or xc !!

this is the newer enduro I had which is just like hora's

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This come in at 29 pounds in the build you see.

the angles arent to far off hora's new frame but what makes it better is the way the shock works which gives less bob !!

I didn't' get on with the 05 SX I briefly had but I put that down to the god awful 5th elephant shock...

I reckon it'll be good with a DHX, it needs to be setup as a mini DH bike...

Renton what happened to your grass.

The 7lb difference isnt the frames fault. 1.5lb between frames max?

The 09 Enduro for me is a sit on bike which is more a niggle for me. A good shock with a ti spring should help.
The older is sit in. Apparently the latest Enduros are more like the earlier version again. True? I read that somewhere

The weight of the 06 enduro killed it off!!!

Well here's my effort, I liked the Enduro so much I built up a stumpy!

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I know what you mean Hora about the top heavy feel, I cured that by putting the seat as low as it'll go for the downs. A pain in the ass but works really well especially with a coil shock.

I dont understand all this sit in the bike nonsense to be honest, surely its all down to how you have your bar and saddle height set up, the size of the frame etc??

That Van RC sounds like a good bet especially as it has been pushed. I had a Van R at one point and had tf tune the compression stack to give me a bit of a platform, it climbed quite well and sucked all the bumps up. Problem was I couldn't get the spring rate quite right and as with all coil shocks it doesn't have the little 3 point compression switch that I love.

johnners - Member
Head angle looks a bit steep.

Or slack.

Mine is about 67/68 which is about right for an all rounder if you ask me. Much slacker and the front centre becomes too long. Much steeper and it isn't as competent DH.

Having said all that and on the back of Horas comparison, I would love a Rocket with an RP23.

The shock shuttle mount says low/66.5 degrees on mine. On the spring rate how does it work- what should I aim for?

Why are you swapping? Presumably its costing you something, and you end up with the same travel and an almost identical geometry (same BB height, 0.5 degree slacker HT, longer chainstays/shorter top tube), but a fair bit heavier.

[i]Why are you swapping?[/i]

😆

pleader have you ridden both? The earlier SX is mucho like the later SX. The earlier Enduro like the latest with the Enduro inbetween not the same.

Or an alternative answer 🙂
....

Why am I swapping? Because it was there...calling me?

8)

what makes it better is the way the shock works which gives less bob !!

Well that's a surprise isn't it. The old one has a DH shock and the newer one has a XC shock of course it will climb better! It also has skinny 32mm forks that are at least 1lb lighter than the 36s A's well as narrow rims and more modern finishing kit. The two bikes are chalk and cheese! I could build my enduro at just under 30lbs but it would cost a lot and probably make it worse to ride.

Big bikes like these need a bit of weight behind them so they can ride big tough lines on actual mountains. Skinny lightweight equipment has no place on these bikes. Sit down and watch Seasons, Bearclaw has a SX just like Horas and he is properly shreading the trails on it. These are tough AM bikes not skinny trail bikes, they are designed so they can be slogged up a hill and hammered back down. They arnt designed to be whipets up the hills and minced back down them.

No, only the 2011 Enduro, but it does sound like a lot of people who have think the old one pedals much worse than the new one. If the weight feels lower on the 05 (presumably because of those big slabs of metal just above the BB), then couldn't you just fit a really heavy crank/BB/pedal to your 09? Would increase the weight and lower the centre of gravity, just like the SX will?

The difference is Bearclaw does his justice...mine will be mince-core(TM)

As for spring rate have a look on the tf spring rate calculator. You put the details in and it tells you what weight spring you need.

But thats the whole point isnt it....

There are a whole host or current bikes that will do the job of the bike Hora is going to build up that are lighter, faster and easier to pedal!

A bit like the enduro Hora had.

FWIW my old enduro was fitted with quite new (2009) wheels and finishing kit.

i ache ah got it. Ta.

Pleader if you put a coil on your enduro with a softer spring for DH plushness you too would see it pedalling instantly like a large sofa eating alot of your newtons into the pedals?

I really want to go for a ride with you Hora to see if you do mince as much as you and binners say you do.

Oh I do. I purse my lips 😉

Renton thats still 5.5lbs 'missing'!

it was all in the frame and forks mate!!

I would guess about 3.5lbs difference in just the frame, shock and forks between those two bikes. As Hora says the 07,08,09 are more trail orientated frames, hence the name Enduro SL. The 05,06,10 on are tougher harder hitting bikes.

Yes more modern bikes that do pedal better and have lighter frames are available but again as Hora said you will be paying at least £1000 more and upto £2500 more for just the frame. I for one are more than willing to carry an extra 1 or 2lbs and have enough money for a second bike.