Can anyone explain the hope sram mix match makers to me please?
Obviously the right hand one is self explanatory for use with sram shifters
But what’s the sram left hand one for? Assuming everyone has dropper posts now and no left hand shifter?
Reason I ask is I have a pnw loam lever which is MMX and goes straight on to my sram brake
But does this mean the sram left hand mount will work directly the same with my pnw loam lever mmx? Or do I just need to buy a standalone lever for the pnw?
But if it doesn’t work I can fathom out what exactly the left sram ones for?
The LHS mount is to direct mount the dropper Lerner in the same way as a shifter on the RHS.
But what dropper lever is it designed for is my question? Any mmx fitting one or the hope dropper lever or a sram reverb lever?
Ultimately should my mmx fitting PNW loam lever strap straight on to it?
Anything matchmaker compatible should work.
If you had your lever attached to a sram brake before then chances are good you’ll be able to attach it to a hope matchmaker mount just the same.
There's loads of mmx clamp compatible levers, literally 10's of them. A quick look says your lever should fit onto it.
But what dropper lever is it designed for is my question? Any mmx fitting one or the hope dropper lever or a sram reverb lever?
Ultimately should my mmx fitting PNW loam lever strap straight on to it?
Just like on your SRAM brakes you'll need a left hand MMX adaptor for your Hopes. MMX is just the generic SRAM name for Srams mounting system and works with most SRAM shifters (L & R) plus as above, dozens of dropper remotes, including PNW.
Perfecto It means I can run it all together
I did think that would be the case, but wanted to check - it’s currently all setup mmx both sides so I’ll just buy both hope left and right ones and hopefully all things equal they should strap on the same
Thanks guys overthinking it but wanted to check
Any reason why my sram hs2 200mm and sram 200mm mounts won’t work with the brakes?
These are the thicker rotors although I do have 2 centrelines I can use worse case
If not means another tonne of money - hoping to just get away with buying the brakes and strapping them on till later on in year
Mounts and rotors will be fine. You can however get issues combining non hope mounts with hope floating discs (for further down the line should you ever change).
Any reason why my sram hs2 200mm and sram 200mm mounts won’t work with the brakes?
Hope E4 callipers can clash with some brake adaptors, not had the problem with X2 callipers so far and don’t have any V4. Can’t see any problem with discs
Thank you folks appreciated
I’ve just heard back from pnw they suggest the mmx loam lever won’t fit to the hope sram matchmaker?
Haven’t explained why, not sure why it wouldn’t if all mmx are created equally to fit a sram mmx! Annoying if it doesn’t I’ll have to buy the standalone clamp
I’ve just bought some hope mounts to be safe but will try the sram rotors first to save any further expense
Anyone got a clue if the Tech 4 lever blades for Tech3 master cylinders?
Installed my Tech4/E4 brakeset at the weekend, replacing Tech3's. Took them for a good test down various steep fast and rooty local tracks on Sunday. First impressions: Both initial bite and power seem stronger than the Tech3, modulation is still good though. I'll need a few rides to recalibrate my inputs and responses accordingly. Overall first impression is very good.
For reference, to keep the comparison with the Tech3's fair, I used the same pads.
oscillatewildly
I’ve just heard back from pnw they suggest the mmx loam lever won’t fit to the hope sram matchmaker?
Yeah, it's an odd setup, I wanted one but decided against - see below, the bikeyoke one does fit, the face with the two boltholes slots into the space on the adapter, which has a step either side (if that makes sense, you can sort of see it in third pic). The way the face with the two bolts is angled on the PNW lever doesn't allow it to slot in, a bit of filing might fix that, but the lever might not end up in a good position.
hmmm not sure then - ive ordered it now so will see but also ordered a standalone clamp just incase
do you know if the wolftooth one mmx will work with it then?
Couple of washers in the slot on the matchmaker might sort it?
do you know if the wolftooth one mmx will work with it then?
99% certain it won't, the Wolftooth MMX clamp is designed to mount straight to the lever doing away with the stock Sram adapter, I've emailed wolf tooth to ask if they're planning to make an adapter for the Tech4 levers, will update if and when I get a response.
thanks - damn it seems unlikely that this pnw will work then
so far i know 100% the bikeyoke triggy mmx one does fit, but cant find one for sale anywhere 🙁 ive used one before and its a good lever too so not a problem switching/selling my pnw if i can find a triggy
the latest fox transfer looks similar to the triggy so should work also
FYI The On-One dropper remote fits fine with the Hope direct mount.
I don’t get on with the one up one at all I’d prefer to run standalone than run a one up lever 🤣
But Is that on a new e4 brake as the e3 mounts are different
I'm hoping that the OneUp works with the Sram mount as that's what I'll have!
Holy ****, thank christ we have standards eh? Imagine where we would be if folk just did as they pleased with absolutely no consideration for compatibility!
Thier hubs are second to none.
so annoying when every cross collides fitment wise, you'd think if they say mmx theyd be compatible across all mmx platforms!!
anyways looks like my pnw wont fit directly - so if anyone has a bike yoke alpha they wanna swap (or buy my pnw to fund a bike yoke) give me a shout! hopefully that will get everything all in one place!
fathomer
I’m hoping that the OneUp works with the Sram mount as that’s what I’ll have!
Yes, it does
oscillatewildly
I don’t get on with the one up one at all I’d prefer to run standalone than run a one up lever 🤣
Yes, it is crap, that's why I was looking at the PNW
oscillatewildly
do you know if the wolftooth one mmx will work with it then?
Wolf Tooth do a Hope-specifc clamp, but.....
https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/pages/remote-fitment-for-hope-tech-3-brake-levers
yep had seen that wolftooth one - too much hassle - pain in the arse, cycling industry strikes again
ive used a bikeyoke triggy before and got on well with it - so ill play it safe and get the one i know 100% will fit with the hope sram mount
I had a response from wolf tooth, tech 4 is on their radar but I likely to be a product released this year (verbatim quote)
oscillatewildly
ive used a bikeyoke triggy before and got on well with it – so ill play it safe and get the one i know 100% will fit with the hope sram mount
FYI - from your other thread - I have two bikes with Formula brakes, both set up with Triggy remotes on the Formula mixmaster clamp, work just fine (and SRAM shifters on the other side on both) - basically the same interface as Hope, the flat surface with bolt holes slots into the piece on the left, so they won't suit the PNW either
thanks @honourablegeorge
ive ordered a triggy alpha remote - will sell the pnw shame as its damn good!
least i know 100% this one will with the hope adapters on tech 4 e4 thanks for all the help, i would have been mightly confused when it all arrvied and didnt fit
@honourablegeorge thanks, I've just got home to a small envelope with Hope mounts in and the new Hope mount looks identical to the existing so I'm expecting it to fit.
What don't you like about the OneUp lever out of curiosity? Same for you Dave?
It just feels like there's a lot of play in it, not a positive feel, it goes from 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock with nothing happening. Just generally feels cheap and nasty compared to the bike yoke one.
@fathomer - i always felt it was incredibly stiff it didnt feel like it wanted to actuate without really pressing hard on it, i tried it on a few different droppers (fox,bikeyoke,one up) and all same, put a pnw/wolftooth on the smooth actuation was night and day difference! i dunno if i have a weak thumb but i honestly dont know how people use it
basically as above what honourablegeorge says
Fair enough, I really like mine 🙂
I thought my Wolftooth was a bit shit, I could never get it in the right place, was stuff to actuate and I snapped 2 of the plastic bushes they use to attach the lever! I learnt my lesson after the first and carried a spare.
I have today fitted some new Tech 4s, replacing my Tech 3s. Lever feels good/ solid so I think I'm lucky enough to not need a bleed. The pictures all made the lever look like a four-finger touring type, but it actually looks okay, certainly nothing like I was expecting.
I've fitted a new Wolftooth light action dropper remote to the left brake clamp. I bought the Shimano EV clamp version, and it bolted straight on - no need for an additional clamp. I actually bought the Shimano clamp but it's not actually needed. I had the regular Wolftooth lever on my Tech 3s and had to bore the hole out to make it fit, nothing like that this time.
The right hand Shimano EV clamp (11sp XT shifter) was a bit fiddly but went on okay. Won't get a ride in until Friday but expecting good things.
Just fitted mine today, hoses need shoertebing as they are a mess
Very nice in the flesh, easy setup etc
One thing, please tell me those brake pads don’t rattle like mad riding???? They are loose in the caliper and the spring moves all over the caliper too, even just bouncing the front end up and down it sounds bad!
Anyone whose ridden them please tell me they are quiet or these are gonna do my head In
Open the spring out. Think I’ve done that with every set of pads I’ve had to prevent the rattle
It’s like they are too small they literally move from one side to the other as far over as they can go
Bounce the front end they end up one side bounce it again they move to the other (whilst rattling)
I’ll take them out check it out
“ One thing, please tell me those brake pads don’t rattle like mad riding????”
Not noticed it with my E4 or V4 calipers and my bikes are pretty quiet.
It’s rattled badly round the back just pulling front wheel up and dropping it… sure it would be noticeable riding if they seem this loose?
I’ll take the pads out tomoz and try pry them apart more like above see if that helps
Are you sure that they aren’t just oscillating wildly? 😉
🤣🤣👏👏
Any more reviews from users of the old Tech3s?
I love everything about the Tech 3 E4s that have been on my main bike for many years now (with various other brands on my otherbikes).
Look cool. Feel ace. Been super reliable. Made nearby. Light-ish. Adjustable.
But the one niggle I've always, always had - they just don't have enough oomph!
Its sounding like the Tech4s might have been made for me...
I was going to ask in a similar vein, has anyone with Tech 3 E4s tried the new pad compound with Tech 3s?
First ride out on mine last night, and there is a marked improvement. Can’t confirm it’s the 30% hope claim but definitely felt more powerful. Could just be the pads having more bite (I’ve always used their organics as they have better feel) but I think it’s a little of all the changes combined. I’ve had two years on my Tech 3s riding the same trails and last night I found I was having to back off the brakes a little. Wasn’t expecting much difference to be honest, so pleasantly surprised.
I was going to ask in a similar vein, has anyone with Tech 3 E4s tried the new pad compound with Tech 3s?
Haven't seen the new pads available anywhere yet, I'm on v4 but haven't seen E4 either.
The pads aren’t actually new. Galfer have had them for years. https://www.rushcycles.co.uk/m63b0s674p9246/GALFER-Hope-Tech-3-Tech-4-E4-Race-Pro-Competition-Pads-%28green%29-FD465G1554T
I prefer the reds. The greens are a bit less predictable at times. The purples are meant to be good though and worth a try
Ahh, cool cheers. Might give them a go in my V4s.
I tried the purple pads briefly, didn't think that much of them - as they're design for ebikes they seemed a bit harder to get heat into.
Galfa greens are good, but they do wear quicker
Won't be an issue for me, my V4 pads are about half worn after 1500km...
I prefer Gorilla Enduro Pro to Galfer Green now.
Does anyone know if the easy bleed kit is the same on the tech 3 and new tech 4
They look similar and I’m sure have the same size reservoir top cap can anyone confirm please?
You'll need the tech 4 bleed cap - https://www.rushcycles.co.uk/m63b7s331p12388/HOPE-Tech-4-Bleed-Kit-Cap-HTT0019
Ah excellent spot I was just gonna buy the full tech 3 kit (as I don’t have one) so good spot may as well just get shop order me a full tech 4 kit
Had a look at the new brakes up in Fort Bill at the weekend. They are really lovely things. I've always been convinced that the levers look too long, but in reality they aren't that much longer than my Shimano ones. Had a little squeeze in the display bike at the Hope stand. They felt very nice.
They are certainly going to be a serious consideration when I need new brakes.
Tech 4 E4 users how much power do you think they have? Comparable to XT 4 pot? Or would I need the V4 caliper for that?
I Changed to Tech 4 E4 from XT 4 pot. After they bedded in, they feel a fair bit more powerful, but with tons of modulation. Much better in my opinion.
Tech 4 E4 users how much power do you think they have? Comparable to XT 4 pot? Or would I need the V4 caliper for that?
You'll get varying answers to this, purely down to how different hope and Shimano brakes feel.
Come straight off XT 4 pots onto any Hope brake and it'll feel like they have no power. They do, it's just it's not the same instant "all of the power, all at once" feel of XT brakes. With hope, the more you pull, the more power you get.
Tbh if you're on the fence, just get the V4 - the beauty of them is that they're not grabby so you can modulate the power as needed. The old tech 3 v4's were/are mighty powerful when set up correctly, so I can imagine the tech 4s are even better.
You’ll get varying answers to this, purely down to how different hope and Shimano brakes feel.
Come straight off XT 4 pots onto any Hope brake and it’ll feel like they have no power. They do, it’s just it’s not the same instant “all of the power, all at once” feel of XT brakes. With hope, the more you pull, the more power you get.
Tbh if you’re on the fence, just get the V4 – the beauty of them is that they’re not grabby so you can modulate the power as needed. The old tech 3 v4’s were/are mighty powerful when set up correctly, so I can imagine the tech 4s are even better.
I found the Tech 3 E4’s to be rather under powered personally the Shimano 4 pot are way more powerful even taking into account pulling the lever more. I hear the Tech 4 E4 has a very light lever feel so that sounds like it doesn’t have to be pulled so hard on this version.
Posted 16 minutes ago
Interesting podcast focusing on the tech 4 changes
https://www.hopetech.com/news/tech-4-brakes-ep122-blister-review-podcast/
The new stainless pistons require less maintenance than the phenolic pistons, which is nice...
And the new green pads are NOT galfer pads, interesting.
I'm keen to try the stainless pistons. (On my stainless bike 🙂 )
That was a good listen! Some very interesting tech info.
Review of them here
Agree about the greens wearing & squealing!
Also glad wasn't just me, had the air bubble under the cap that would migrate to caliper when upside down, I've bled hope brakes plenty but never had to redo it 3 times to get it right, maybe it's the longer reservoir?
https://off.road.cc/content/review/brakes/hope-tech-4-e4-brake-review-10103
I found the Tech4 unbelievably easy to bleed - but I am a reverse bleed fan.
Another Tech 4 user that has switched the green pads in favour of the standard organics. Even riding in the dry they made more noise than other pads I’ve had with Hope brakes. Weird. Great brakes though, love mine.
Can anyone tell me how effective the bite point adjustment on the Tech4 levers is please?
If you wind the BPA it as tight as possible, what's the minimum free stroke you can get in your lever, i.e. the number of millimetres that you must pull the lever before it starts biting?
Measured with fresh pads and discs 8-10mm
Can anyone tell me how effective the bite point adjustment on the Tech4 levers is please?
Can't give you measurements, but the BPA definitely does a good job. Unlike some other brands, it actually moves the leaver, thus pushing the piston on the master cylinder. I've managed to get the stroke on mine quite short, and still be able to adjust over the the lifetime of as set of pads, to keep the throw the same front and rear, despite the difference in wear rate.
Measured with fresh pads and discs 8-10mm
Thank you for taking the time to measure, that's really encouraging. Have you ridden them with the fresh pads and discs or is this immediately post-install? I only ask because I tend to find that the bite point "relaxes" out slightly after a few rides.
Can’t give you measurements, but the BPA definitely does a good job. Unlike some other brands, it actually moves the leaver, thus pushing the piston on the master cylinder. I’ve managed to get the stroke on mine quite short, and still be able to adjust over the the lifetime of as set of pads, to keep the throw the same front and rear, despite the difference in wear rate.
Also very encouraging! The best I can maintain on my brakes is about 20mm and it just doesn't feel sharp enough for my liking. (I know I'm being fussy 😅)
apparently trickstiff make the green pads
https://www.mbr.co.uk/reviews/disc-brakes-products/hope-tech-4-e4-brakes-review
I only had a short ride on the road to start bedding them in and get a feel for them. Not much bedding in required with the green pads. They felt quite sharp immediately. Looking forward to testing them properly this week.
I've had mine a while now, including a a long weekend in the Tweed Valley, a week in the Alps, the Ard Rock over the weekend and numerous Peak District rides. Their fantastic, so much so they make the Tech 3's on my hardtail feel a bit shit!
When they're easier to get hold of, lead time coming down all the time and should be normal by Christmas according to Hope, I'll be getting another set!
Has anyone who DIDNT like the previous tech 3 e4/v4 combo ridden these new tech 4 brakes? and if so could you offer your opinion on them?
PSA - wiggle have the V4's back in stock currently (most places are out of stock) and if you've got the platinum discount they're £184.80 per end which is the cheapest anywhere.
I've got a set of black and silver on the way (one of 3 sets they had in stock...) 😁
Couldn't resist buying up some parts for my next build whilst they're a) cheap and b) in stock.
I only ask because I tend to find that the bite point “relaxes” out slightly after a few rides.
I was on a coaching session at FoD yesterday and Katy shared a tip on this with me. She said that all the racers running Hope as well as the Hope team used to do this on a regular basis, basically before every ride. In my head I questioned why it was needed but did t want to be pedant for a change 🙂
Take a flat blade of some description, screwdriver, knife etc. wind out your bite adjustment as far as it will go, push the pads away from the pistons with the flat blade, while doing so pull the brake lever to expand the pistons into the void created by moving the pads.
She did this on mine yesterday and immediately the bite was better. I asked if it required a top up of fluid but the answer was “not normally no”
Might just help with that relaxing issue
Is anyone running the new levers on the V4 calipers? I've recently heard a few people say they prefer the E4 including the boss of a huge demo fleet of posh bikes. Then this morning on Adam Brayton's bike check, even he's running the E4.
What's wrong with the V4?
Huh, that's interesting. As a tech 3 V4 user I can shed no light, however I always wondered what the point of the E4 calliper was as it's only a little bit lighter than a V4.
Wild pondering here, maybe if they've upped the power by 30% (or whatever) both the E4 and V4 are now more than enough for some people so they make the choice on feel?
