[Closed] Hope 10-44t Cassette

Four aluminium sprockets? I'm out

Larger four sprockets machined from single aluminium billet

XC? Yuck.

Let me know when they're doing an Enduro version.

Emma Chisset?

They missed two opportunities on this one:
- either license the XD driver
- integrate the freehub in the alu sprockets, it's not like it will ever fit any other brand's hub

10-44? That'll do nicely.

Nice machining. Recently went 1x11 XT on my Spitfire build, and opted for DT Swiss hubs over Hope so that's me out. Shame, as I wouldn't mind being a guinea pig for everyone else.

Quoted as March availability!

Was there any mention of which year?

That's what, half a pound lighter than XT in 10-40 with more range? Begs the question of how ridiculously expensive is it going to be?

273g is light isn't it?

Gonna costa lotta?

Fits onto a unique freehub. Available for both our Pro 4 and Pro 2 EVO hubs

😯

How have Shimano managed to make their latest cassettes so heavy. It really is quite an achievement. New XT is a good chunk heavier than Sram's 4th tier offering?

That it needs a separate new freehub kind of loses the USP versus SRAM cassettes

Surely its [b]Unique[/b] Selling Point is that it's a 10-44T cassette?

I wonder whether they'll sell the two halves separately.

license the XD driver

Is it an open (or licenceable?) standard? I'd presumeSRAM are happy for manufacturers to make wheels for their cassettes (SRAM hubs being rare) but more protective of being the only game in town for 10t cassettes.

Four aluminium sprockets? I'm out

I guess it's a question of fitness, at 18-19 I was wearing out the <22t sprockets first and 11t looked like something from spirograph, the bigger ones looked untouched. Now as a chubby almost-30 it's the big gears that go and the 11t looks untouched. I suspect if I went back to my teenage years I could happily have run 4x aluminium sprockets, I doubt I could have afforded it though!

thisisnotaspoon - Member

Is it an open (or licenceable?) standard? I'd presumeSRAM are happy for manufacturers to make wheels for their cassettes (SRAM hubs being rare) but more protective of being the only game in town for 10t cassettes.

E13's cassette (9-44) uses the XD standard

They already make an XD freehub for their hubs don't they? Presumably there is some reason why they preferred to go with a unique freehub for this cassette though.

honourablegeorge - Member
Four aluminium sprockets? I'm out

What would you like them made of?

Speeder - Member

What would you like them made of?

Steel. Alu cogs just don't last. They're ok fr the lowest, sit-and-spin-gear with lots of teeth, but lower down the block, when they have to deal with a bit of power, they just fall to bits.

The more I look at this, the more I think just how far ahead of the game SRAM were.

They showed off XX1 in May 2012. Three and a half years later, E13 have only just figured out how to make a 9-42 cassette that's 320g, even though the top four cogs are aluminium - that's 60g heavier that SRAM's all-steel 10-42 and it's €319 on the site I'm looking at, versus €229 for the SRAM one.

Meanwhile Shimano are doing the XTR with just the 11-40 range, but still heavier than either of the above.

honourablegeorge - Member
Speeder - Member
What would you like them made of?
Steel. Alu cogs just don't last. They're ok fr the lowest, sit-and-spin-gear with lots of teeth, but lower down the block, when they have

Are 28, 32, 38, 44 not sit and spin with lots of teeth..

Hopefully hope will sell the 4 alloy cogs as spares so you can replace them rather than the whole cassette..

honourablegeorge - Member
The more I look at this, the more I think just how far ahead of the game SRAM were.

They showed off XX1 in May 2012. Three and a half years later, E13 have only just figured out how to make a 9-42 cassette that's 320g, even though the top four cogs are aluminium - that's 60g heavier that SRAM's all-steel 10-42 and it's €319 on the site I'm looking at, versus €229 for the SRAM one.

Meanwhile Shimano are doing the XTR with just the 11-40 range, but still heavier than either of the above.

The sram xx1 has an alloy 42t cog.. which is replaceable..

Seems they've made the spacing at the high end very close to they can advertise the 20% figure. I think something more evenly spread would have been much more useful, maybe 10, 12, 14, 17, 21, 24, 27, 31, 35, 39, 44 would be more useful for a lot of enduro mincers.

I doubt I'll be buying one anyway, given that you can get a sunrace or praxxis cassette for under £80. This Hope thing is bound to be at least double that.

Goldigger - Member

Are 28, 32, 38, 44 not sit and spin with lots of teeth..

Not really. I did plenty of out of the saddle on my alu 28t, and it disappeared in half a dozen rides

http://www.hopetech.com/eurobike/

Reading that it appears that the alloy cogs are a add on to the 7spd DH cassette.
Also says that the 3 or 4 (10 or 11 spd)
alloy cogs are replaceable.

They just copied one of these:

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On a serious note though I'm struggling to work out what problem this Hope thing solves.

Interesting to note that at the cyclocross worlds yesterday some of the front runners,were still running doubles including one SRAM rider.

Ah - but just wait for......

EnduroCross!!!

Now there is a new branding opportunity for the 3 Peaks if ever there was one 😆

Should of made it to fit the Sram free hub, so i'm out !

Hmm - accoding to Factory Jackson, the Hope DH cassette is £150, XC is £175.

So does that mean the replacement Alu sprockets will only be £25 🙂

New freehub needed too.

dragon - Member

On a serious note though I'm struggling to work out what problem this Hope thing solves.

Same problem as the Hope cranks, bars etc solve- some people just can't get enough Hope logos on their bikes.

On a serious note though I'm struggling to work out what problem this Hope thing solves.

Well its better than Shimano since it ditches the old fashioned freehub design and has a 10T sprocket which gives a huge increase in range for only 1 less tooth. It also has a an extra 2 teeth on the top sprocket so altogether this probably has the biggest range of any cassette out there. For those still sitting on the fence it might prove to be a genuine like for like replacement for a double ring setup with no loss of range (depending on your ratios).

So compared to the cranks which offer absolutely nothing yet are still selling I think its a winner.

£175! No Hope of that going on my bike.

£225 for cassette plus freehub, but that may be easier to swallow if they decide to offer just the Alu sprockets as a spare part.

Interesting to see that they are getting into carbon "woven in the North in old cotton mills" too. Could make for some interesting new objects of desire for my dandy horse.

Does anyone spend £175 on a cassette?

Does anyone spend £175 on a cassette

I guess they must do, CRC list half a dozen different cassettes at that price or higher and I don't suppose they hold stock for fun.

Standard XTR cassette is a ballache - there's lot on web about the three, near identical ratios toward the smaller end of the block - so I'm itching for change, and a 40+ spinner would be good, but at £225 for the freehub and cassette, that's too steep to be grinding through the local grit and mud.

The alternative from memory was the cassette replacing the freehub for Hope hubs. Integrated pawl seats into the aluminium sprocket machining and presumably a couple of bearings in there.

Guess hope decided that there were savings to be made once you've swapped over to the shorter freehub.

maybe should have tried to use their SS freehub body?

digga - Member
Standard XTR cassette is a ballache - there's lot on web about the three, near identical ratios toward the smaller end of the block - so I'm itching for change, and a 40+ spinner would be good, but at £225 for the freehub and cassette, that's too steep to be grinding through the local grit and mud.

SRAM GX - 109 euro for cassette and chain. And from these pics, it's 4g lighter than XTR, with a 10-42 range to XTRs 11-40.

Yes, you'll have to bite the bullet and change your freehub, but I reckon GX and freehub is still cheaper than XTR

SRAM are miles ahead, really

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Where is the Sram GX cassette and chain 109 euro?

Cheers

99.95euro on bike-components 😀

Cassette and chain here... it's even gone down a tenner since I got mine.

https://www.bike-components.de/en/SRAM/XG-1150-Kassette-PC-X1-Kette-11-fach-Verschleissset-p47071/

The cassette on it's own is 105 🙂

https://www.bike-components.de/en/SRAM/XG-1150-11-fach-Kassette-p43639/

Thanks hadn't heard of bike - components before, was looking on bike discount etc

Cassette and chain here... it's even gone down a tenner since I got mine.

Grabbing one or two as spares at that price might be prudent.

(I wish I was prudent)

Are you sure that's the GX one as even Sram say it is almost 400 [url= https://www.sram.com/sram/mountain/products/xg-1150-full-pin-cassette ]https://www.sram.com/sram/mountain/products/xg-1150-full-pin-cassette[/url]

My X1 (XG-1180) was 314g, claimed 315 (outraged!) but then it's double the price, came on the bike but might replace with GX when it wears out for the 80g or so penalty as half the price

Just weighed a GX in the shop and it was 392g

That must be an X1 pictured - X1's have alu 42t sprockets, while GX's are steel.

That's definitely a GX pictured as its pinned on every sprocket - On the x1 the last 3 sprockets are machined.

Weight is less than stated though - maybe the scales are off?

Aluminium sprockets don't last?

Is that just the wrong aluminium then? Surely the chain ring is aluminium? The tension at both ends of the chain is the same. The chain ring is always in use. If the sprocket larger than the chainring it even goes round less often. So my assumption is that wear in the system is dominated by the chain ring wearing and causing chain growth, which then destroys the cassette

That's definitely a GX pictured as its pinned on every sprocket - On the x1 the last 3 sprockets are machined.

Weight is less than stated though - maybe the scales are off?

Good point.
There's an OE PG1160 IIRC, maybe it's that? GX with an alu 42t?

Adam@BikeWorks - Member
Just weighed a GX in the shop and it was 392g

That must be an X1 pictured - X1's have alu 42t sprockets, while GX's are steel.

Just been out to shed to weight the one I got from the Bike Components link above - it's 0.4kg on my bike scale, so the quoted 392g is probably about right - the pictured one is probably the OEM one above with the alu 42t, or someones been playing silly buggers

unless you are an hope/orange whore why would you bother. I'll take the extra weight and save £115 with my XT cassette.

Isn't it less than the top end sram ones loads of people defend the price of or am I missing something?

Certainly the Hope and SRAM cassettes are lighter than shimano like for like but does that equate to durability? Shimano stuff lasts me ages, how do the lighter SRAM cassettes hold up?

Xx1 lasting very well for me. Better than 10s XTR.

But isn't the hope one aimed at the top end? Not looked in to the figures but isn't it decent value compared to the top sram?

Sram xx1/x01 cassettes are available with heavy discounts. Hope stuff is rarely available discounted. This makes the sram comparable to the hope. Moreover the sram uses a freehub body available on almost any hub, and it's mostly steel.

I agree.... Sram really got ahead of the game with their 11 speed kit.

£175 is 229Euro - that's the exact price of the top end SRAM cassette on Bike-components.de

I am not surprised by the price of a boutique piece from Hope that has the USP of the biggest range at 10-44. I am (almost) surprised that the boutique price is competitive with a SRAM cassette.

I'm running a 1x10 setup with a 42T expander (on Hope hubs). If I'm going to be tempted by a 1x11 setup (and I can't run a 2x) then it will need to offer a larger range. If it were a bit lighter too that would be a bonus.

Shimano's standard offerings are a non-starter as they don't offer and more range than I have already (382%).

I could add a 45T expander to an 11 speed XT cassette to get a range of 409% but that's a fairly heavy option.

SRAM or Hope would both give a bigger range (420% for Sram and 440% for Hope). Weights and costs of both a similar and both would require me to buy a new freehub. There may be small differences in lifetime cost due to discounts and whether Hope offer the aluminium sprockets as a spare part on their own, but in practice the difference is small enough for me not to care.

Right, so the hope one is priced at the same level as it's obvious rival. Having had sram and hope in the past it would be an easy choice for me as sram is mince.

looks like e13 have rendered it obsolete before its out. Bigger range and it fits a 'standard' hub:

http://singletrackmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/diamonds-from-the-core-2016-part-2/

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£229 and I've still got to buy a new freehub for my Hope hubs on top of that! No thanks.

Reading all the horror stories from people trying to remove SRAM cassettes from XD freehubs I'm not too sure I fancy the XD design anyway. Although there is no guaranteeing that the Hope design will be any better I guess.

I don't need (or want) a 9T either, so 10-44 at £175 sounds like a better deal than 9-44 at £229 to me.

roverpig - Member

Reading all the horror stories from people trying to remove SRAM cassettes from XD freehubs I'm not too sure I fancy the XD design anyway

DUnno about that. You need to grease it and not ridiculously over tighten it. They come slathered in anti seize out of the box, so there's really only a problem if you're determined to make a mess of it.

sunrace mx3 11-42

was on offer for 40 quid from billys, think they are 50 now.......

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That's one hell of a range jump between 3 and 4! 😯

Price is in from CRC, £202.49!!

That's one hell of a range jump between 3 and 4

That CRC price £202.49 includes the new freehub required..
Cassette on its own is £157.49.

Can we assume the new freehub is just slightly shorter allowing the 10t sprocket to fit?
If thats the case, should be able to machine the old style down a bit..as long as its diameter is still the same.

Can we assume the new freehub is just slightly shorter allowing the 10t sprocket to fit?
If thats the case, should be able to machine the old style down a bit..as long as its diameter is still the same.

wouldn't you be machining the lockring threads away?
the outer bearing could sit further back also?

I've just bought the e-thirteen trs+ 9-44t from UBYK for £189. Will report back on it when it's fitted

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Seems a decent bit of kit - clever fixing method. Shifting not quite as crisp as the SRAM cassette, but still good and really nice to have that slightly extended range. No issues with the 9t cog at all.

I'm tempted by one of them when my current sram one wears out to also get the better range, slight concerns over some of the gaps but think it would be ok. I like that you can replace parts of it as well which should work well if you keep on top of measuring/monitoring

You'll have to replace parts, since so much of it is aluminium.

My Hope cassette has lost 2 teeth on a ride on Saturday.
It was on two of the aluminium sprockets.
Not very happy really, there is plenty of wear left on the cassette but it skips better than a bush kangaroo now.
Going try SRAM next!
Will try Hope for their warranty but dont hold out much hope as its busted teeth, probably wear and tear i guess.
Only 6 months old though and as i say plenty of wear left.