[Closed] hmmmm tyres

Tony, us mortal riders have none of those issues as we're not that fast. On a serious note, had similar issues with RQ's, both burping and mis-shaping that I've gone back to tubes for anything where gravity plays a hand!

Tony, My Mountain King bead ripped slightly on Monday on the FoD Blue route letting all the air out - very disappointing as it's not even that old or heavily used.

I'll be really interested in what comes out of this as getting slightly disappointed with Conti reliability on the tubeless front as this is the 2nd one to go.

Just a thought, tried specialized tyres?

If you've tried Conti and Scwalble tyres, it's Maxxis next.

As you've had issues with two different manufacturers can't really blame rim fit I guess.

I'm really getting on with On-One Smorgasbord and Chunky Monkey. Not lightweight though

Really? A "tyres" thread?
What is the world coming to (ret.) 🙁

Oh and "Maxxis FTW!"

I'll be really interested in what comes out of this as getting slightly disappointed with Conti reliability on the tubeless front as this is the 2nd one to go.

Black Chilli Baron up front and a normal cheapie £15 one on the back of my Meta 5. Never had an issue running the tubeless on my Flow EX rims. Tight as hell getting them on/off though.

Not sure what Specialized have that fits the bill tbh, Butcher does it all apart from the fast rolling bit but they don't have a really fast rolling, tough tyre as far as I can tell. No SX Captain 🙁

Will say it again until everyone listens, not cool, not trendy, but ace! On-one chunky monkey. Grippy and VERY tough sidewalls, seal tubeless so easily

On-One Smorgasbord and Chunky Monkey here to.

Maxxis for sure: Minion front, Larsen rear, I'll let you have a roll next time 🙂

Danielgroves - Yeah, it's only been my MK2 in 2.4 which I've had an issue with, My MK2s in 2.2 have been fine for a lot longer.

What is mis-shaping?

Issues with Hans Dampf? 😮 Everyone keeps telling me how they're the best thing ever and I keep thinking about them as I'm told grip is great and tough sidewall so considering for alipine use without the need for full on DH tyres.

Hmm. I've been pretty happy with the Maxxis stuff to be honest and never have issues with them tubeless. The all too common Minion and HR combo. Though mainly it's the Minion DHF I like. Just slices through crud, keeps a straight line and grips well enough for me. Cornering some argue about due to the dead zone between top and side but not had an issue. The HR at the back, maybe not the greatest but just acts as a workhorse and powers through crud and rolls/corners well for me.

Friends have had issues with Minion/HR tubeless on UST rims though, but I've not (this is running the non-tubless ready that pretty much is tubless ready). Maybe different rims make the difference, or just that I stick 3 to 4 cups of sealant in.

Also had recommendation to go Minion DHF front and back (rear reversed), and that from people who like shredding the gnar.

Things putting me off the Hans Dampf... some reviews saying no good in mud, that they're draggy, they apparently wear fast especially the trailstar which is recommended up front, and the cost.

the rq's deform an kink on landing and cant be reused. the hans dampfs burp and shred too easily.

has to be able to handle singltrack and airtime

Fast rolling ardent, destroyer of trail minion (lakes tested).Ardent Fr Minion Rear for me as it's heading into winter here. Minion HR combo far too strange mixing round/square tyres for me.

Just switched to an igniter lust 2.3 front and Larsen lust 2.0 on back. Seems a pretty awesome combo so far.

mike, i mention that in the post above you 😀
my mate nolan had his front rubber queens do the same on sunday off a drop resulting in a crash

Issues with Hans Dampf? Everyone keeps telling me how they're the best thing ever and I keep thinking about them as I'm told grip is great and tough sidewall so considering for alipine use without the need for full on DH tyres.

Hmm. I've been pretty happy with the Maxxis stuff to be honest and never have issues with them tubeless. The all too common Minion and HR combo. Though mainly it's the Minion DHF I like. Just slices through crud, keeps a straight line and grips well enough for me. Cornering some argue about due to the dead zone between top and side but not had an issue. The HR at the back, maybe not the greatest but just acts as a workhorse and powers through crud and rolls/corners well for me.

Friends have had issues with Minion/HR tubeless on UST rims though, but I've not (this is running the non-tubless ready that pretty much is tubless ready). Maybe different rims make the difference, or just that I stick 3 to 4 cups of sealant in.

Also had recommendation to go Minion DHF front and back (rear reversed), and that from people who like shredding the gnar.

Things putting me off the Hans Dampf... some reviews saying no good in mud, that they're draggy, they apparently wear fast especially the trailstar which is recommended up front, and the cost.

Why would you reverse the a DHF on the back? Never heard of that before. I've raced on DHF's (F&R) for years. I've got some Spec Butcher Controls on the trail bike, basically as they are a lighter, tubeless ready slightly evolved Minion, which is a good thing

I'm quite outspoken round these parts about my opinion on the Hans Dampfs (I think they are awful in short).

If you like Maxxis, and want something that will be fine for the Alps, just get the EXO versions of your favourite.

Not tried em tubeless but I'm really happy with my Specialized Clutch SX tyres. People say they dont roll very fast though but I've never noticed it being a problem!

I'll be going EXO when I have the cash to change. Blew both of my single ply non-tubeless Maxxis (ran tubeless with Stans) on an uplift @ FoD this week. Possibly due to too low pressure but the skinny walls didn't help for sure.
Will, hopefully, be trying a DHR II on the back (although they seem to be very good for front too) and a bigger Minion up front..

Hob Nob - Member
Why would you reverse the a DHF on the back? Never heard of that before. I've raced on DHF's (F&R) for years

I'm not too sure on the why but I know people who do and search around the net and there's much talk on it. From what I can tell the idea is it gives better traction under drive, but doesn't mean better rolling and has less grip(?) under braking. Or something like that.

Jedi - a suggestion coming from the Swinley FB group after pointing out this thread - Maxxis Advantage. To quote "Its light enough for the size, and grips well. Its got a big enough volume for his needs".

Wouldn't know myself and obviously tyre choice is subjective.

Butcher front and Purgatory rear for me, went up tubeless fine and survived Sierra Nevada rocks for a week. Decent price as well.

I'm going to try the new tubeless ready High Roller II when I can get hold of them.

Mis shaping is probably due to not seating correctly, bang some more air in and do it properly!

The new hans dampf supergravity tlr tyre carcass is a game changer. Its downhill tough for an incredible weight (950grams for a 2.35 which is more like a 2.5).

They're a pretty tight fit too. If they burped I would be amazed.

I've just created a premature end to my ride after burping a purgatory control, albeit 29er if that makes a difference, on a flow rim landing a tiny jump with the back slightly off centre so I wouldn't recommend those personally. Might wait and try the new maxxis dhr 2 as I believe they're now tubeless ready....even though the old ones blew up fine. Or might try one of the on one tyres for mucho cheapness.

zelak, same here. Nextdaytyres have the 2.3 tubeless ready's coming in either tomorrow or early next week. I've reserved a pair for collection

Wouldn't going full UST resolve the burping issue? Much more secure bead than TLR?

Hey wilko, top tip I will give NDT a call to reserve some.
Have you gone for the Dual or the 3C?
Maybe one of each?

Tony I'd have a look at the Specialized SX tyres. They're like 1.5 ply, not as slow as dual ply, much tougher than single ply. The single ply Specialized tyres go up tubeless really easily, I've had a Purgatory before, just ordered a Butcher (like a halfway house Minion - between 2.35 and 2.5 in size, between 42a and 60a in stickiness, but not heavy and not that slow). Looks like they don't do the Butcher SX anymore but Clutch SX is available.

Personally I very much like the 2.2 UST Rubber Queens but I'm not hitting anything anywhere near as hard as you! At the price of them I would not be happy if they buckled and died, I expect a £40+ tyre to last until there's no rubber left on it...

Clutch SX is not fast rolling but is pretty grippy, wouldnt use as a general purpose tyre as you can practically feel it slowing you down on anything but down.

Finances dictated 2 x dual compound. My usual tyres have always been 2.35 60a High Rollers front and rear anyway, so should be a good replacement for them

Jedi, consider these . They are an ok weight, roll amazingly offroad and on hardpack, clear mud, grip well in the summer and I feel as confident on the downhill sections as with High Rollers. They're tough too and wear really well. Only downside is they have a raised knobbles around the edge and I've found the leaning the bike right over on wet concrete can cause them to get loose.

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I think the maxxis advantage exo is a good suggestion, never had any trouble with them and they roll well enough and bounce off the rocks. No burping tubeless either. The 2.4 is a really nice volume too.

Also chunky monkey is great but slower than an advantage, made by maxxis with the exo carcass, so i've heard....

I'm loving my tubeless slant 6 front and block 8 rear combo, super fast on the flinty chalk and dry singletrack round my way, no burping as yet, I don't get that much air but they seem pretty sturdy, hassle free fitting with track pump too.

Might be a different story if it rains though.

i really rate maxxis advantages. light-ish, roll well, drift predictably and don't seem to pick up many flats with them.

grip the air well for whips and stuff...

they are seated properly and have 40 psi!

Just got some Bonty XR4 after reading good things about them - interestingly they are also features in this months Singletrack mag.

I use them tubeless on 26er American Classics. Went up first time with track pump, roll really well until you get to mud where they have grip but do drag as they are large 2.2 in rear and 2.35 up front. Run them at mid 30's psi to avoid rim dings as best I can.

Masses of grip in both wet and dry, hard pack or loose very confidence inspiring oh yes, they are pretty light all things considered.

All in all very happy - £36 each which seems pretty average these days.

What about the [url= http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/components/inner-tubes/product/review-eclipse-inner-tube-13-47295 ]Eclipse Inner Tubes[/url]? Halfway house between Tubeless and Tubes.

It's too early for me to report back on how they perform, except obviously lighter than tubes.. Fitted them last week on Hans Dampf's.

90 quid for 2 tubes???

Forgot to mention, the Xr4 team issue tubeless ready has reinforced sidewalls. That said having never knowingly run anything other single ply carcass I don't know how near a 2x ply it is.

issues with burping

What rim width and pressures are you running?

Having set up my XC (well.. do every trail in Squamish bike) on 20mm inner width Tricon 1550, no rim tape with 2.4 Mountain King II front and 2.4 X-King at 22+psi.. i determined that insufficient pressure and too narrow a rim for a tyre of that volume was never going to work.
Interestingly (to me) the Mountain King II 2.4 RTR on EX1750's with DT's rim tape at 20psi are faultless.. so.. rim with and volume being taken up by tape inside the rim is key.

I've reset my front at 28pi (still no tape) and no burps so far.. but pushed harder I fully expect to leverage the bead away from the rim at some point!
Rear had a tube in for yesterdays loonie race in Squamish.. but pinch flatted so damned if I do, damned if I dont 🙁

So... interesting article here...
[url= http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Tech-Tuesday--Wider-Rims-Are-Better-and-Why-Tubeless-Tires-Burp-.html ]Pinkbike wider rims for ust.[/url]

Hans Dampf front, Nobby nic rear and just phenom in the dry highland wilderness at the mo... Great combo..

If you can find a tread compound and pattern you like Bonty TLRs are pretty good tubeless.

Maxxis for sure: Minion front, Larsen rear, I'll let you have a roll next time

I also feel like there is a lack of choice of good tubeless tyres.

I had a lot of success with the WTB Bronsons.

Currently on Specalized Butchers and also liking those.

Always liked Maxis tyres but found the LUST to be dead horrible feeling. Never had much success with Contis or Schwables.

traildog - Member
Always liked Maxis tyres but found the LUST to be dead horrible feeling

Nice thing is many regular Maxxis seem to go up tubeless anyway. Tubeless ready in all but name. Though some manage to blow them off the rims anyway. Issue with the rims, style of riding, (rider weight 😀 ) ?

Following all the suggestions with interest on this.

Jedi - saw you on Wednesday and you mentioned the RQ's deforming - went to Chicksands the next day and lo and behold I have the front one deform on a small drop and now have badly bruised ribs!! Twisted it into an s-shape for quarter of it's circumference! I'm blaming you for teaching me how to carry so much more speed through the corners 😉

A little worried with my Alps trip only a few weeks away, don't want to agitate the ribs by hitting the deck again before or out there 😯