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So, I'm no fan of them - but even I'm a bit miffed that this hit-and-run by an ebike is front page news on the grauniad.
I'm assuming that all the other hit and runs that occur today by cars will be put on their front page?
Anyway. I'm not surprised that the first ever hit and run on a bike I've heard of was an ebiker* 😉
*may not be serious
*may be serious
*pick one of the above and rage suitably 🙂
Bloke has handed himself in apparently
Was his ebike illegal hence not hanging around ?
I wonder if the fact that he ran, rather than helped, is down to the fact that cyclists are getting a panning in the press?
If you're know you're going to get dragged through the courts for an accident then you're more likely to scarper. And with the press looking to jump on cyclists at every opportunity they get...
I'm not a fan of e bikes but surely that part of the story is irrelevant as if the person had been hit by a normal bike at the same speed the outcome would have been the same.
if the person had been hit by a normal bike at the same speed the outcome would have been the same.
well ebikes are generally quite a bit heavier than normal bikes so have more inertia. The story says the bike was found abandoned which would suggest that he was riding a stolen bike which would perhaps explain why he scarpered
but surely that part of the story is irrelevant as if the person had been hit by a normal bike at the same speed the outcome would have been the same.
I'm guessing that had the woman hit not been ....
The pedestrian was named locally as Cichane Sakine who arrived in the UK 20 years ago. She is said to be well known within the local Turkish community in Dalston and friends have been visiting her in hospital in Whitechapel.
... etc.
Had she been president of the Dalston pigeon fanciers club ... or 'recently recovered from ...', owned a budgie it would also be somehow 'relevant'.
The rider was bleeding from the head and appeared dazed, but left the scene after a couple of minutes, Garba said.
It's possible he was concussed in the crash.
The pedestrian was named locally as Cichane Sakine who arrived in the UK 20 years ago. She is said to be well known within the local Turkish community in Dalston and friends have been visiting her in hospital in Whitechapel.
I find the reporting of this information in the article abhorrent. It is purely being included to provoke the reader's bias.
I find reporting this information being used in the article abhorrent. It is purely being included to provoke the reader’s bias.
Worse (IMHO) ... it is there to create as nasty a set of responses as possible.
More clicks.. more advertising.... more hatred..More clicks.. more advertising.... more hatred..
well ebikes are generally quite a bit heavier than normal bikes so have more inertia
Only about 10 lbs. My morning dump is more than that, it’s not a big factor when you add in the rider.
Only about 10 lbs.
10 lbs is 10lbs...
but you probably mean Kg instead of lbs...
http://ebiketips.road.cc/content/advice/advice/why-are-electric-bikes-so-heavy-578
But do we know if the rider had emptied his bowels that morning? He could be full of shit.
Ok, according to that article, worst case it’s closer to 20 lbs added. I weigh about 200, my Capra about 32, so maybe 252 instead of 232?
Overall maybe 10% extra weight.
But what if someone is a more normal weight, and most people don't commute on a heavy mountain bike, so the percentage difference is larger...
What do most people commute on?
Drac
What do most people commute on?
A 45lb lump of pig iron bso in my experience.
I've only seen 3 e-bikes on the roads this year and all of them have been "chipped"/modded to go faster. It's going have wide ranging consequences for all cyclists.
What do most people commute on?
ultra light weight road bikes whilst wearing lycra and trying to get KOM of course.
As per others cant see the additional weight being worthy of note. My laptop and power brick would easily balance things out.
Question is whether it was modified or not.
I've seen several none appeared to be chipped.
If you’re know you’re going to get dragged through the courts for an accident then you’re more likely to scarper. And with the press looking to jump on cyclists at every opportunity they get…
I can't remember who it was who actually wrote this in an article on road.cc (?) a couple of years ago. Hit someone? **** off sharpish. Don't hang around, don't give your details.
The piece was tongue in cheek (in fact it had a big disclaimer at the end of it) but it had plenty of parallels with cases where the cyclists had ended up with far more serious consequences than if he/she had been driving a tonne of metal such as fines totally out of proportion with what a driver would get.
Ok, according to that article, worst case it’s closer to 20 lbs added. I weigh about 200, my Capra about 32, so maybe 252 instead of 232?
Overall maybe 10% extra weight.
The point being what ???
Are you made of hard metal and welded to the frame ???
I reckon they've been desperate to get someone on that 'furious driving' law since the fixie lad killed that woman - that's why it's on the front pages.
Cichane Sakine who arrived in the UK 20 years ago. She is said to be well known ....
One of her friends said: ‘We are all praying for Cihan"
Not so well known that they actually know her first name eh?
"The point being what ???
Are you made of hard metal and welded to the frame ???"
I'd assume his point was mass at point of impact rather than weight of the bike.
Entirely relevent to the discussion really unless you frequently "ghosty" your bicycle down the street
'Chipped' more relevant than mass...
Are you made of hard metal and welded to the frame ???
Have we met?
<span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);">And I use 5 tens on vaults so pretty much welded on.</span>
That story links to this one
How come when I copper is hit he's "knocked off his bike", but everyone else is "in a collision"? Hmm.
I’d assume his point was mass at point of impact rather than weight of the bike.
Entirely relevent to the discussion really unless you frequently “ghosty” your bicycle down the street
You don't need to "ghosty" the bike to separate from it on impact.... after which it's no longer driving the point of impact.
All evidence suggests being hit by a car with a designed pedestrian crumple zone is better than being hit by the same car with bull bars...
I don't think the relevance is there but nor do I see why the relevance of the womans' birthplace is relevant either.
Not so well known that they actually know her first name eh?
Good to spot your impressive knowledge of Turkish shortened/familiar names ...
What is the familiar for Cichane then ???
Erm, is it... Cihan?
Shame by the time you have separated the impacts already happened .
Unless your bike has bullbars (and or a crumplezone for that matter )
The bike – an electric-assisted Specialized pedal cycle – was found abandoned
Specialized electric-assisted bikes, of the kind involved in Tuesday’s collision, range from just over £2,000 to almost £9,000
"Yeah, nah... I'll just leave this cheap bike here..."
Erm, is it… Cihan?
Honestly don't know but I'd put odds on it is 😀
Shame by the time you have separated the impacts already happened .
Unless your bike has bullbars (and or a crumplezone for that matter )
Most of my impacts I've separated from the bike well before the bike hits anything, with luck I've landed on my feet. Even if that doesn't happen it's still rather obvious to most people the two then separate and the mass of the rider is no longer driving the hard object.
This is all self obvious though ... the sort of drivel the media want when they mention she's of Turkish origin or it was an eBike....
Presumably you never picked up a cricket bat, tennis racquet or golf club.... or have seen the difference between letting go on impact and following through ? Breakaway Mass is used to limit impact damage in many fields. Again, this concept is familiar to anyone ever had to snap a log or knock down a wall etc. or for anyone who has piled their front wheel into the ground...
As I say, this is just the sort of argument the media want drawing in clicks... pointless defence of opposing parties.
Sounds like a nasty injury - let’s hope she’s ok....
That story links to this one
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/30/police-disgusted-after-bystanders-film-officer-knocked-off-bike
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I once gave first aid to a stab victim in a busy city centre street in broad daylight, didn't think he was going to make it. Two policemen were sitting in their car at the traffic lights in plain view, no other car in front of them yet they sat there waiting until lights went green before coming to 'help'. People were even running over to them pointing them to the stab victim but they couldn't give a shit, all they done was call an ambulance that had already been called and told people to move back. If the police want to know why people would rather film them than help, maybe they should look at their own behaviour first.
Daily Mail tick list.
Cyclist
Foreigner! (even if the victim)
e-bike
which clearly doesn't have insurance or tax
Hit and run (cyclist dazed and went home possibly not realising what's just happened, but clearly a monster and probably wasn't wearing Hi-Viz or a helmet).
Daily Mail tick list.
It's not only the DM .... sadly this sort of recipe is par for the course for media companies wanting to create ad-click-bait.
What the chances of the police not knowing an e bike can be modded and not looking at it before the bikes returned ?
Or even a bigger problem that although it's modded, you cannot prove or disprove it was switched onto mod at the time of the accident.
What is the punishment for riding a modded bike on a public road?
The current law does not work and is currently being drafted as we speak to rectify this following the fixie incident.
Seems strange he abandoned the bike. Was he wearing a helmet ? Was he injured? Was he dazed and confused ?
It's going to be an interesting court case.
I hope she recovers
What the chances of the police not knowing an e bike can be modded and not looking at it before the bikes returned ?
Or even a bigger problem that although it’s modded, you cannot prove or disprove it was switched onto mod at the time of the accident.
What is the punishment for riding a modded bike on a public road?
There is no reporting it was modded.... but it is something the readers can rage over....
Whether its got a mod in-use or not it's the same, and its driving/riding a untaxed, uninsured and otherwise illegal vehicle on the roads...
Seems strange he abandoned the bike.
Well not if it was stolen ??? Not that there is anything released on that either ....
Was he dazed and confused ?
According to the grauniad "witness of after the crash" he was dazed and bleeding...
Daily Mail readers must be in a daze.
Appalled that cyclists have claimed "yet another" victim but secretly happy about who was hit.....
I hope both rider and pedestrian are ok by the way.
The rider was bleeding from the head and appeared dazed, but left the scene after a couple of minutes
Does it really count as hit and run if he waited for a couple of minutes before leaving? I'm obviously not saying he was right to go, just think 'hit and run' may be a bit of a sensational description.
Chicane huh? Was he just going for The racing line?
It could be that said women just walked out in front of him and he is at no fault at all. He was injured but left later, doesnt seem like he did much of anything wrong apart from leave a name and contact details.
The law allows 24 hours to report an accident in a motor vehicle. Sadly the lady that collided with me did not. And nearly went to prison. Did the cyclist “turn himself in”, or report in the statutory allowed time after recovering from a concussion? Does the same rule apply for bicycles? Does being electric matter? Probably not.
I hope they both make a recovery.
And of course in other news, about 10 people lost their lives on British roads yesterday. And only last week a lorry squished another vulnerable road user on London’s roads.
Injuries on pedestrians by cyclists are insignificant compared with injuries from cars. And injuries from poor paving, of course. I’ve not seen any “hit by a cyclist- we can help” adverts on TV yet.
doesnt seem like he did much of anything wrong apart from leave a name and contact details.
From the linked article in the OP
The bike – an electric-assisted Specialized pedal cycle – was found abandoned on Approach Close in Stoke Newington
makes me think there may be more to this than 'man on e-bike runs over pedestrian'. Stolen bike maybe, that became<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;"> more serious than bike theft?</span>
If the report I saw - “[t]he suspect was arrested at an address in Islington, north London, after he contacted police late on Wednesday. He was arrested on suspicion of causing bodily harm, failing to stop and failing to report a collision” is correct, then the last two charges suggest the ebike is being treated as a motor vehicle.
Has anyone else seen the CCTV footage of the collision on The [s]Scum[/s] Sun website? Possibly available elsewhere, that's just where I saw it linked.
The guy doesn't appear to be moving particularly quickly and the pedestrian runs into the road in front of him. Looks like half a second of him wobbling one way and then the other to try to go infront of and then behind her, and then the collision.
Takes aside the running off and later dumping the bike...... wouldn't a better headline have been 'Woman injured after running into road in front of bike'
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7136632/cctv-video-dalston-hit-run-bike-crash/
wouldn’t a better headline have been
Better in what way ?
From an editor's PoV the 'best headline' is the one causes most bile and hatred and creates people having a go at each other in the comments.
A more accurate and public good headline might have been "Woman critically ill after being knocked down jaywalking"
he was going faster the one the bike infront but that person appeared to be labouring a bit so it certainly wouldnt suggest he was doing more than the 15.5mph limit or whatever it is. If it hadnt been him it may have been a car or motorbike with the way she darted out, particularly as electric cars and motorbikes get more popular and I have certainly see someone on a normal road bike going much faster than that.
He also looked pretty bashed up himself and maybe he ended up leaving the bike somewhere as the front wheel was clearly buckled and he was probably feeling very crap if he had hit his head hard. Maybe he was trying to get away or maybe he was disorientated and thought she was okay or others were seeing to her. A lot of people probably don't realise you can seriously hurt/kill someone on a bike.
Hope all involved recover and there is no sinister back story (bike stolen etc). Hopefully it is a lesson to others to look properly before crossing and to stop and wait at the scene of an accident.
The law allows 24 hours to report an accident in a motor vehicle. Sadly the lady that collided with me did not. And nearly went to prison. Did the cyclist “turn himself in”, or report in the statutory allowed time after recovering from a concussion? Does the same rule apply for bicycles? Does being electric matter? Probably not.
As drlex alludes to above, the same does not apply to bicycles. There is no obligation to stop at the scene of an accident unless certain allegations are made - can't quite remember what they are. And in any case he did stop, and later went to the police anyway. It seems odd therefore that they are charging him with leaving the scene unless those allegations were made or the ebike makes a difference or - and I'm just speculating here - the police handling the case are ill informed cyclist bashing pricks.
Of course it's also possible that the ebike was chipped, in which case it's not an ebike, it's an unlicensed uninsured moped.
Jaywalking isn't a 'thing' in the UK (and quite right too) so it doesn't really make sense to use that term.
Edit: I think philjunior is right on that the 'leaving the scene' laws usually wouldn't apply to a cyclist.
Jaywalking isn’t a ‘thing’ in the UK (and quite right too) so it doesn’t really make sense to use that term.
I have to agree - whilst pedestrians stepping out without looking is inconsiderate and annoying, I'm glad that at least walking across roads isn't over-regulated in this country.
"is The man on the electric bike ploughed into the woman as she crossed the road when the lights were green"
Do they mean the traffic light was green or the crossing had a green man?
From that video it appears he is travelling at a normal speed in the middle of the road and she just walks out in front of him and he has no chance. Am I wrong in thinking she is in the wrong and he should be claiming damages from her?
I think the police have charged him due to the media coverage and cps will tell them there's no case and tell them to release him from caution.
Pretty much entirely her fault for attempting to run across a busy road, he seemed to try and avoid her and his speed did not seem excessive, certainly less than the motor traffic.
That video doesnt seem to support the original spin. Given the traffic on the other side is still moving and the vague view of the lights remaining the same it does look like the collision was entirely her fault. Not an offence on her part, since as others say thankfully jaywalking isnt illegal, but insurance wise and legally unless his bike was modified to be illegal or nicked he should be in the clear.
If it had been a car hitting her wouldnt have made even the local news.
Looks like she ran across on a green light (for traffic, not her crossing?)... If so he did nothing wrong that I can see.
I wouldn't have walked off that said, then again I haven't just had my head bashed onto the road.
If stolen, that's another matter entirely.
As an rta though, they were both just really, really unlucky. 😟
I’ve only seen 3 e-bikes on the roads this year and all of them have been “chipped”/modded to go faster.
How do you know? Did you ask the riders? Or just assume they were?
How do you know? Did you ask the riders? Or just assume they were?
Probably because they sailed past him going up a hill at 25mph while waving
And of course in other news, about 10 people lost their lives on British roads yesterday. And only last week a lorry squished another vulnerable road user on London’s roads.
I think Bristol had a rider go under a van,who was super lucky to have a doctor On the scene getting a coffe who got bystanders to move it and saved his life as it was choking him.
Pedestrian at fault, imo....
Cyclist, motorbike or car driver would have had trouble avoiding her the way she ran out, let alone a bus or lorry.
I think Bristol had a rider go under a van,who was super lucky to have a doctor On the scene getting a coffe who got bystanders to move it and saved his life as it was choking him.
After the doctor had been saved from choking by coffee did he help the cyclist? 🙂