[Closed] High heart rate whilst riding - dangerous or not?

theoretical maximum is just that. yours could be much higher. how did you feel?

I start feel proper ropey if I'm operating anywhere near my max heart rate.

90% isn't that high for a tough but sustainable climb is it? I would expect to see over 95% at times if on a hard run, race or ride.

Do you know what your max is, you mention theoretical, mine is much higher, 191 at 40.

How have you measured your HR max?

If you're using the Garmin ones, it may be set wrongly....However, it's pretty easy to get and keep your HR up if you're just churning away at the pedals.

If you do the 220 - (your age) thing, my max is 164. My real max is 188 (the highest I've seen on a ride this year), and I've been on some multi hour rides where my average is above that theoretical max. So if you are worried I should be terrified.

The theoretical maximum HR are just that - theoretical, useful as a starting point but can be quite a bit out, perhaps anywhere up to +/- 20BPM. The (very) simplistic 220-age is way too low for me for example, on one local hill I can sustain an HR of 8BPM above that figure for over a minute and still feel like I've got something left in the tank (might just be vapours!).

In your case the value is obviously wrong as typically you should only be able to hit that value for a few seconds. The best way to determine your MHR is by testing, which might not be that pleasant 😳

My max HR is above 210, it doesn't worry my, I just try not to go there too often.

I used to push myself till I was seeing stars (around 189BPM) but that was 15+ years ago and I really can't be arsed any more. I'm sure you'll know if you're working too hard. As others have already said, 220-age is only a guide, everyone's different.

I've only worked it out with the 220-age rule, and the fact that I haven't seen it go above that number on the few rides I've been on.

I felt ok whilst riding at that level, but after a steep climb I stopped at the top and felt quite light headed for a few mins

Kinda good to use the 220-Age calc but it's only a guide.

Start off with it, then ride hard whilst recording and then see where you are with it.
Thresholds innit.

As is you'll find a good place once you get into it and recording rides, over time you can add intervals into riding to see/match/improve fitness.
T'is all about tracking and monitoring, but you do need a good place to start and the 220-Age thing is at best a start point only.

http://home.trainingpeaks.com/blog/article/joe-friel-s-quick-guide-to-setting-zones

Someone who knows more about all this than most suggests that 220 minus age is as likely to be wrong as right.

Is there any research done on consistent high HR and long term effects on health?
I'm a high-beater (max 204) but also have poor VO2 and a high resting HR (55) so when racing or on climbs I expect to see a high HR. I have good blood pressure, if a little low and am genuinely interested in this.
Oh and WRT the 220 thing. I'm 36, so it doesn't work for me either.

Max heartrate bollocks is just bollocks that has no value or purpose. There's nothing wrong or particularly unusual about having a heart rate substantially different from these silly formulae. Mine used to be way lower than the 220-age formula, but is not changing as I age so is slowly getting closer.

55 is not a high resting rate.

Mine was at/over 95% for an hour during a CX race yesterday, and normally during CX.

@shedbrewed

Compared to the general populace 55 is a low to very low RHR. A couple of years ago I had an ECG as part of a pre-op and the monitor went crazy as my RHR was below 60. Apparently they regard anything below that as "abnormal" - Miguel Indurain with his 30BPM or whatever it was would be regarded as a Vulcan on that scale! 😆

The only thing that I've seen regarding cycling heart work rate and long term health was about racing cyclists when they retired in that they had to ease off the workload in a progressive manner rather than just stopping otherwise they risked heart problems.

I only ever look at my HR when I'm doing specific zone training, ie going long and slow, so I monitor it to make sure I don't exceed about 70% of my HR max. (for me that a range between 125-150) or doing maximum effort reps.

the rest of the time, I don't really care much at all

That's an interesting article jameso - maybe that was my LTHR as opposed to my Max HR.

I'd love to know my VO2 max and max heart rate - are there places where you can book in to get this stuff professionally measured? Not for any sort of training program, just out of interest really.

It's 220 - your age then plus or minus 20. So quite a variation.

I have a low HR compared with my peers but when at similar fitness levels and running up a hill, for example, our % of max is the same. The actual numbers are relatively meaningless.

220-age sits in the same pile as BMI. Useful for those who sit in front of the telly, eat far too much and consider 20 minutes walk as vigorous exercise.

220-Age is complete pony, ignore it. Hitting max HR is more of a mental thing than a physical IMO.

Miguel Indurain with his 30BPM

In the recent interview in Cyclist magazine he notes that this quoted figure was a bit off a one off due to slightly odd circumstances and that normally it was a bit higher. Still its fair to say he didn't have a high resting HR, but then neither do most highly trained athletes.

True about RHR, I have a very low RHR too and had to go into hospital twice over Xmas period (for the same symptoms, but at two different hospitals) Both kept me in for 3 days due to not understanding I'm a fit lad and they thought I was having a heart attack...
I had to explain on more than a number of occasions to Doctors that I ride a lot and train intervals and such. Each Doc that questioned me didn't believe my RHR and thought I was having a heart attack...! I was a bit scared at first but once the symptoms became clear they both (hospitals) backed off the heart issues they thought I had and an endoscopy which revealed the truth 😐

@kevin1911 Possibly the first place to check would be a university sports department - they often advertise such tests. No idea of cost, etc.

@Dragon I read that interview, couldn't remember the exact figures but his RHR was very low by any accepted criteria.

Your max hr is your max hr, there is no right or wrong. You can work out your LTHR as a percentage of the max(roughly) or accurately by doing 30 minutes flat out, then taking 95% of the final 20 minutes.

As an example my max is 185 but my LTHR is 150, the second figure is the point at which lactate builds at such a rate I can only sustain the effort for 1 hour. It also forms the basis of my other zones.

I find all this stuff both interesting and useful in improving fitness.

btw you can select "auto detect max hr" in your garmin and will do a rough job of working out your zones from the maximum hr it records.

Things have moved on since Max HR because it is an unreliable measure. Threshold is much more useful to set zones. I'm 48 and have an observed MHR of 191. My threshold is about 175 bpm. This sets my zones. Calculator here https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/membership/article/20120925-Power-Calculator-0

I was going to ask how they actually measure max heart rate, but then:

Hitting max HR is more of a mental thing than a physical IMO

I think I would agree with this; however hard I would go when being tested somehow, if I was doing the same but being chased by a hungry bear or something I'm sure I could work that little bit harder!

Max HR through destructive testing? Hmmmmm...

[i]Not for any sort of training program, just out of interest really.[/i]

TBH the only thing it's remotely useful for is training programs, so unless you like shelling out for pointless medical tests, you really will be wasting your money.

to work out your max hr, warm up a bit, hit a hill or two reasonably hard, then take a sustained effort at one, when you think you given it all, go again and again until you are properly done.

Thats you max, repeat as often as you like itll be the same +\- 2/3bpm, its not in the head unless your slacker.

When I used to row, my coach used to say: don't worry about how high your HR is, only worry when it says '0'
I think the max HR test is based on sequential increase in output. i.e. bike up hill and increase effort say every 30 seconds (its not going to be a nice experience!). Always I would say go to Doc to get a check up before doing something like this.

OP what was your heart rate anyhow?

If I do the 220 - (your age) thing, my max is 170. My experienced max whilst riding my local trails (SDW near Winchester) is 187 and I often ride 90% of my rides at 90% of my max HR. My RHR is 45 and has always been very low even if I'm not fit.

I have a similar problem to whitestone and bikebuoy when I go to hospital as my low resting heart rate (which doesn't rise much when I'm in the ward) combined with a genetic issue where I run a high temperature all the time cause near panic. Apparently normal body temperature ranges between 36.1C (97F) to 37.2C (99F) but I run around 37.5C as my normal. Sets off multiple alarms when I get hooked up to a monitor.

Funky Dunc - seemed to get to 179bpm and not go any further. I'll maybe try to bury myself when I'm next out to see if I can get it higher 😯

Find a treadmill somewhere and actually measure your max heart rate, then you'll know. (Unless you fall off the back of the treadmill afterwards, you're not pushing hard enough).

Three minutes at "hard" pace, 30 seconds rest, another three minutes but keep increasing the gradient. You'll feel pretty ill afterward.

So to answer the original question that's not a high heart rate by any measure and no it's not dangerous.

Everybody forgets the plus or minus 20 when doing the 220- your age. It's a range which the majority of the population will fit into. That's all. Also, at max HR you will not die because your heart explodes just that your heart becomes inefficient at that point so you can't push your muscles any further.

Going at what I thought was a hard-but-sustainable pace (on the flat), my HR was at about 90% of max

What makes you think 90% is a problem? Why would you expect it to be anything else?

It's normal.

What makes you think 90% is a problem? Why would you expect it to be anything else?

I've read advice in several places saying that it's best to keep your heart rate inside 85% of maximum.

That depends entirely on who you are and what you want to achieve 🙂

Plus, measuring your max is quite difficult. It's not just your HR at the top of a big climb. You have to be in an extreme amount of discomfort, so much so that it forces you to stop. Feeling sick and/or quite queer may feature. Not just the normal 'oh I'm tired now I'll have a rest' that you get on rides.

It's also different for different sports - so your max cycling has to be measured when cycling, and so on.

first I've heard of 220-age having an error of plus/minus 20.

Pretty much makes it even less useful than it was before.......
(I'm at more than +20. Nearer +30 actually....)

I've read advice in several places saying that it's best to keep your heart rate inside 85% of maximum.

from personal experience, it's pretty much impossible to keep my heart-rate that low while i'm exercising.

(unless i'm consciously taking it easy)

Less than 85% wouldn't be "training" it'd be recovery, or commuting, possibly sightseeing.

Sightseeing somewhere flat.

first I've heard of 220-age having an error of plus/minus 20.

Pretty much makes it even less useful than it was before.......
(I'm at more than +20. Nearer +30 actually....)

There's a little info at the top of this page:

http://www.brianmac.co.uk/maxhr.htm

Not so much an error, just defining a range. Usefulness depends what you want to do with the info. Training - yeah, useless. To see if you fit in with a range that is considered normal within a population then very useful. You obviously don't. Whether that is a cause for concern or just that you're in the 5% outside that range is another matter 😉

I got a HRM when I was about 34/35. I used it a couple of times and my HR went up to 200. I read this might be a problem so I sold the HRM and din't worry about it after that. 🙂

I'd love to know my VO2 max and max heart rate - are there places where you can book in to get this stuff professionally measured? Not for any sort of training program, just out of interest really

Max HR is easy. Just push till you can't any more.

I did a lab test at my local uni last year to establish my LT and Vo2max - ramp test on a bike (excalibre I think) with a mask tracking breathe consistency and blood samples taken from your finger every minute. Interesting reading, but not really needed for an amateur. Cost around £120 if I remember right.

Trained based on HR for many years. I'm 37, Max is 202, regularly see 195-196, hour pace is somewhere between 178-83 all day pace is 156. Caffeine, illness, fatigue all make a difference so I'm just in the process of converting over to power

It's physically impossible to sustain your max heart rate for more than a number of seconds, therefore you have not attained it - if you are comfortable holding the high heart rate then it's not a problem

As mentioned really. You should do the LTHR test (have a look in Joe Friels Cycling Bible) for a good test about the HR.

If you want a good and true test, then you need to look at Power, as HR is dependable on too many variables. (heat, tiredness, hungover, stress etc)

Heart rate drifts upwards for the same effort over the course of a long ride so you can't rely on it.

BTW a low resting HR is Bradycardia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradycardia (usual Wikipedia caveats apply)

I've no idea what my max HR is.
On a typical all day ride (say 6 hours in the Lakes) I up to about 178 tops.
The average throughout the ride is typically about 151 but I can happily carry on all day at that rate.
Does this go some way to explaining why a sweat like a pig but don't feel out of breath?

No, not really. Lots of things determine how fast your heart goes, afaik.

55 is not a high resting rate.

Isn't it? Mine is 46 😯

@rocketdog I suspect you are being slightly mischievous 😀

I worked out in the middle east (oil industry not military) for a while and the crew were subject to having their heart rates monitored for a couple of weeks as part of some health and safety drive. One guy had a resting heart rate of 120!!

Measured at morning wake up, day time it's 55 normally

Ummmm after my recent research study using a watt bike in the heat I regularly topped out at 239/240 I'm now off to see a cardiologist! I'm 33 so closer to 220 plus my age!!

Interesting reading so far, thanks all.

From the NHS website:

What's a normal heart rate?

Most adults have a resting heart rate of 60-100 beats per minute (bpm).

The fitter you are, the lower your resting heart rate is likely to be. For example, athletes may have a resting heart rate of 40-60 bpm or lower.

You should contact your GP if you think your heart rate is continuously above 120 bpm or below 40 bpm, although this could just be normal for you.

Chap I ride with is of similar age to me, similar fitness, yet I can sustain a heart of around 150, he sustains about 180. If pushing it I'll max at about 170, he will top 200. We are very different build though with very different resting heart rate. I'm low 30's he is low 50's
I'm a solid 15 stone, he's about 11.

I haven't read most of the replies, however the 220 minus your age is complete gubbins! Would put my max HR at 184. I've recently been racing CX and for a 40 min race I average 188. My max is probably about 195 now (previously got it up to 201 when running).

I can also generally pedal along at say 180HR and hold a normal conversation with MR MC, however if he was at 180 he'd be dying!! I seem to always run a "high" HR.

If you are serious about improving your cycling or running performance then understanding and using heart rate zones (and even better power) is a must.

Start by googling, GCN and Vegan cyclist to get some user freindly videos then reading something like Joe Friels Cycling bible.

Had my max hrm done about 6 years ago. I could not go on. The world was greying out and vision tunneled. It was 204.

At the moment resting is in the 50s but putting my leg over a bike takes it to 90ish. With no exertion. If I sit still and breath to bring it down I can get it to 80 easily but not below. Guess I like riding my bike.

FWIW, last night I dug out an old notebook from when I used to care.

Averaged 191 over the 2 and a bit hours of an NPS, highest average on the second lap (193, also my fastest lap) lowest on the 5th (186, surprisingly enough, my slowest lap) Max on the race of 211, about 2 minutes after the start, topped 200 a couple of times every lap, pretty much at the same points.

Measured max back in those days was 213. Resting between 40 and 55, depending on various things.

Didn't get on the podium. 🙁

And I found the most important tool for doing MHR tests was a bucket.

GM, you should work out your average 191 in that race compared to a 213 max, and what you said about 85% being sightseeing pace. No wonder you didn't podium, you're only about 10 bpm over sightseeing for the whole race ; )

Mine is high as well

39 & overweight

Hows this 😯 (Was a race to be fair)

Distance 17.3km
Time 1:09:55
Elevation 314m
Max HR 211 😯
Avg 176 😯

I'd love to know how this compares as it does niggle me it's too high

Less than 85% wouldn't be "training" it'd be recovery, or commuting, possibly sightseeing.

most of my training is done at 75% of MHR, for me about 130bpm, I can stimulate a training load, without killing myself, and having to take longer rest periods. Lots of folk "train" way too hard.

tiger, if I'm running (racing) my HR will average in the high 160-170 something, so it's not that unusual. don't think I'd ever get to 211, but everyone's different.

[quote="jameso"]No wonder you didn't podium you're only about 10 bpm over sightseeing for the whole raceThat's the average. MTB races tend to have bits you can recover in, bits you go hard in and bits you feel like puking in. (FWIW, I was inside the top 10, and only a handful of minutes off the pace.)

And it was a slightly tongue in cheek comment.

[quote="nickc"]Lots of folk "train" way too hard.And lots of people spend far too much time bimbling around not training.

Most of my training BITD was fast road work/chaingangs/intervals over about 8-10 hours a week. Not much LSD. It suited what I was doing.

So dangerous ?

or

Ride on without worry?

Tiger6791 - Member

I'd love to know how this compares as it does niggle me it's too high

as a rough guide: if you reach your maximum heart rate, you've got a few seconds before you fall over, puke, and really don't want to stand up for a few minutes.

i'm 37, and this happens to me when i get to about... 187 (low 180's i can recover from while still running, high 180's require a bloody good sit down)

maximum heart rate is as individual as shoe size*, if it feels ok it probably is.

(*size 8.5 feet, 187 max heart rate. My equation for calculating MHR is shoe size x 10, plus 102. This is just as accurate as the good ol'fashioned 220-age)

I can easily be mid 170s during a strenuous ride. I have a mate who is a little quicker than me, and he''ll average about 150 on the same ride. He might see 160 during maximum effort. In contrast, I'll be at 160 if I go much above bimbling pace.

GM, it's still an average of 5% or so over almost sightseeing : ) but was meant as a comment on how averages and HR % levels are misread etc, comparisons to others fairly meaningless also. Averaging 85-90% for a while isn't going easy in any way and ~5% under that is still hard work.

Today I hit 198 doing hill reps (running)!!!

Does heart rate actually relate to performance?

I recently started using an HRM, I am pretty slow on the bike, may max was 195 and my resting pulse is 40-45 (I am 36). Theoretically these are pretty good figures and I do most of my riding at zone 4+, still not very fast!

Physiologically my heart must have quite good stroke, and my blood must be carrying sufficient oxygen, otherwise my resting HR would be high. This combined with the relatively high max I should be awesome...........unfortunately this doesn't seem to translate to reality 😥

It doesn't make much difference. There are sooo many variables. Your heart rate responds to what your muscles are doing, it doesn't drive them. So it depends on what your muscles are able to do; and how good [i]they[/i] are is measured by the clock 🙂

What people still don't seem to understand is that you max heart rate is just a facet of your physiology. It is what it is. This isn't like you blood pressure where high = bad. Some people have a high max, some low. It has nothing to do with your fitness or health.

Does heart rate actually relate to performance?

Yup. If you have a power meter, note your HR at a given wattage, Train hard and after a (variable) period of time you will note you achieve the same power at a lower heart rate. This assumes power is related to performance.

I put this together for a friend. Those interested in HR training might find it useful

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I do most of my riding at zone 4+, still not very fast!

I used to do that, I got a fair bit quicker when I started to slow down most of the time. The image above backs it up. Just riding fast al the time is ok for fun but not good for building your fitness, since riding fast is the stress you need, but the recovery period is where you get stronger. Riding fast all the time means you may not be getting enough recovery, and are rarely fresh enough to ride really hard. That's an often-missed link, I certainly missed it until taking some good advice on training methods.

^^Love the infographic.

this thread is the polar opposite to the other thread on training here today..... its like reading the daily mail round here.....

IMO this is the thread with the correct advice for getting faster.....