[Closed] Heya... So.. Fat bikes??

Budget?

Definitely a ton of fun, I did the same went sensible on the build kit and used the rolling fatty package from on one as by base package, upgraded to carbon forks which I think was worthwhile given the improved aesthetics and weight.

Would also recommend drilling the rims and changing to specialised tyres 2.5 inner tubes.

Absolute hoot whatever model you end up with

Biggest improvement to performance on a fatbike is decent tyres and tubeless - so that usually means avoiding O-O Fatty wheels and tyres. People having more joy from a Calibre Dune in this respect.

Do it. 🙂

1500 max.. Plus was taking advantage of the cycle2work scheme..
Had a look about and there doesn't "seem" to be anything that comes close on terms of value to the on one.. SRAM X01 groupset... Dropper post... Pre drilled El guano rims.. Guide RSC brakes.. And Bluto forks?.. Seems a lot of bike for £1500.... Unless I'm missing something obvious..

Lol.. El guano.. Guapo!!..

A couple of questions that you might want to consider before splashing the cash?

Do you want to run 4" of 5" tyres?

Do you want the option to run a suspension fork or is rigid going to be all you want?

There are no right (or wrong) answers to either question, but it does help to narrow down the options a bit.

The obvious bit being you're getting it from On One. 😉

1500 quid gets you a Surly Wednesday, much better wheels and tyres. It'd be cheaper to source a bluto than a good set of tubeless wheels and tyres. Run the rigid fork through the winter and see what comes up in the classifieds if you feel the need to add some bounce. The Wednesday will also take wider tyres.

I have the OO Fatty Trail you've described above. I'm not sure when your C2W scheme runs out but it will probably be worth waiting until they have one of their regular sales. I got mine with the reverb, carbon bars, guide brakes etc for £1,100.

Not sure why people think its so difficult to get the el guapo and floaters tubeless. I'm the least mechanically competent person going and managed both in about an hour. I just split a 24 inch tube and then poured the stans in, popped to the garage and used their pump, straight up. The rear hasn't needed to be touched in 4 months and the front only went down when I dropped onto a fireroad with both wheels locked up and ripped a knob off upon landing.

Ekul was that with the xo1 groupset!!.. Bloody hell that's something like 800 quid on its own!! 1100!! Wow...

Also never having been on a fatty I'm not sure exactly what's best for me.. But where I live I can't see much ever getting snow.. Or sand.. So mainly trail use and just dicking about in forests.. So I'd reckon the 4" would be plenty fine..

Also.. Being on the wrong end of 14 stone.. Weight saving isn't a huge deciding factor... Maybe if I ever get back to a whippet like build.. I'll consider shaving weight off the bike instead of me..

chivalry - That wasn't with the XO1 unfortunately. The way the deal was working was 35% off the basic model as a full bike, but I noticed when you upgraded any parts it was also 35% off them, so I added the reverb, guides and carbon bars. For some reason it wouldn't let me upgrade the drivechain though. But with the levels of grip it gives I quite like having the granny gear to see just how steep you can get up!

Mines never seen sand or snow either but I love mine for trail riding, loads of grip and its just fun. Still keeping up with my riding buddies on it and once you get it moving it just keeps going. Surprisingly good in the air as well, really stable!

I have been at this lark for about 12 years now and had some very good bikes for example a Turner Flux (straight out of Interbike in Las Vegas) and some utterly shit ones - Intense 6.6 anyone ? plus plenty of decent bikes like my Trek Fuel 9.8

I have never had more fun and ridden as well as I do today on my Canyon Dude rigid but please don't go 1 x 11 unless the big cassette cog is 45t or more or you are a genuine racing whippet. My Dude is 2 x 10 and thats allows me to get up silly inclines even loaded with bivi kit.

ps you will be frightened by how fast you can go on one

Phew.. I wouldn't have been able to buy it on principle knowing it had been sold for 1100 quid previously... Lol.. So.. Given the X01 kit.. 1500 seems a bargain still..
Someone mentioned the fact its a on one was the downside.. Are they known for bad build quality/poor aftersales.. Or just not well regarded?.. Seeing as most everything on it is very good quality kit.. Basicly the only part that's on one is the frame?.. So it's either the frame or the company that's the problem???

ps you will be frightened by how fast you can go on one

I'll second that, 55mph off road so far on mine! Which is a Cube Nutrail. 4.4" tyres, bluto forks etc. Picked it up barely used second hand for £900, you can pick them up new for not much more.

I've added a few upgrades as the brakes weren't up to slowing you down from those kind of speeds. I changed the wheels to tubeless straight away, which was a piece of cake on the mulefut rims with schwalbe tyres.

One of the best bikes I've ever ridden.

Chivalry - I have an upgraded Calibre Dune in South Wales that you'd be welcome to try out before you take the plunge, if you like?

It's also about to go up for sale...
/stealth ad

Pb2.. Don't think there's an option on the xo1.. 32 front... 10-42 cassette..
..?

Sorry fadda.. Unless you take c2w vouchers.. Lol..
I can't complain.. My boss is happy with any length of repayment so atm it's looking like 2.60 a week.. Lmao..

Someone mentioned the fact its a on one was the downside.. Are they known for bad build quality/poor aftersales.

😆

Welcome to the forum... You'll have fun round here!

I dropped onto a fireroad with both wheels locked up and ripped a knob off upon landing

My my, we're a bit slow today. Just read that and nearly ripped a knob off! 😀

dont think you can go wrong with a fatty trail, plenty come up on fat bike selling page for around £650/700

i found the wheels and floater to tubeless with gaffer tape and sealant and a ghetto pump, didnt need the split inners.

ive had
moonlander
on one fatty
carbon beargrease
bucksaw
fatty trail

i enjoyed the fatty trail the most and still have one
youll love it

on one are a bit hit and miss with their quality control and delivery, but mostly ok

I'll be collecting in Sheffield store.. So 1 less thing to worry about
How tall are you.?.. Which frame size did you go for.. Do they come up large.. Small?.... Im just about 5,9"...was thinking medium?.. Thanks
In fact thank you everyone.. Been really helpful! .

Have a look at the Sonder Vir Fortis, sold by Alpkit.

I bought one recently, very close to your budget, carbon fram, 1 X 11 SRAM, guide brakes, Jumbo Jim tyres.

im 6.ft had a large and a medium trail, enjoyed them both.
for longer less technical days out i would have used the large
for more mucking about and trail riding, which looks like your type of riding i would have used the medium.
i sold them both because i wanted a silver in medium, and not in blue, i now have the silver in medium, and yes i know im a tart lol.

i would think a medium is the biggest you should get

Have bought loads of stuff from O-One and never had a problem.
Can recommend their Fatty from personal experience but would also strongly suggest that you go 2x10, not 1x11.
The latter means that you dispose of one of the fatty's funnest traits; it's ability to climb up anything steeper and more slippery than you'd ever think possible. Go with the widest bar you can cope with; you'll be glad of the leverage at high speeds.
Some things you'll ride slower than on a big bouncer; and on some other things you'll be faster.

Definatly no bigger than a medium.. Was wondering if the small might suit.. Or maybe a tad to small for 5, 9"..
As for the drive train.. No option for a 2 x 10... Could be wrong but the X01 it comes with is 1 x11 only.. .?
Thanks again everyone.. :o)

I'm 5'11" and have a medium; I had to add a layback seatpost for space, so you'll be grand on the M. I'd respectfully suggest that small will be too small.
1x11..? Pure marketing fashion.
Horribly expensive when it comes to replacing worn out parts too. Despite years of parts manufacturers pushing the market, the reality remains that in the real world where you have to pay your own money to replace worn cassettes and there are real hills, you're much better off with a 2x10.
I just can't understand why folk happily throw away one of a fatty's best attributes. On very steep or very loose climbs, nothing can get close to a fatty with a proper granny ring.
Plus, at the Angus Cycling Festival fat day last weekend, I watched several 1x11 bikes drop their chains when hooning through rooty forest; there's nothing magical about narrow wide rings and no way to pedal it back on if it does drop!

Cheap & cheerful, I can't fault my Voodoo Wazoo. £500 from Halfords, all I've done is buy a shorter stem, carbon bars & better tyres, £100 all in at Planet X sale.

I reckon I'll invest in a dropper or suspension seat post & maybe a set of forks next year, we'll see. Blutos are a crazy price so possibly a set of the new RST Renegades.

Although the plan for it to be my winter bike I've been riding it non stop of late unless I know I'm going to be doing really technical stuff.

Edit.... it's not a light bike but its me that needs to shift the weight more than the bike does.

The most fun bike you'll ever have. Bloody marvelous inventions 🙂

Love my Charge Cooker Maxi. About £800 I think from Evans a couple of months ago on sale. SRAM 11 speed, decent wheels and tyres.

Stuck a dropper on it (that I had anyway) and in going to chuck my XT brakes on as I don't like the stock brake levers. Other than that it's ace. I originally wanted a bike that could take a Bluto. However with a rigid fork on I don't see the need for the Bluto, it's handled everything I can throw at it.

Top fun.

+1 for going rigid - half the fun of a fatbike is proper cranking it up everything and then hanging on for dear life on the downhills!

Yeah, I'm glad my Dune can take a Bluto as it's a good option, but I like it rigid so I've not gone there yet. Maybe next year some time.

One thing I'd say is, don't scrimp on tyres- bad tyres can ruin any bike but much more so with fatbikes, by and large you do get what you pay for here.

I love my fatty. I bought one with a 170 rear hub which limits me to a 4.4 tyre. If I bought again I would go for a 190 or 197 hub. What about a Felt DD 70. Apparently a nice bit of kit except the rim won't go up tubeless.

chivalry - Member
1500 max.. Plus was taking advantage of the cycle2work scheme..
Had a look about and there doesn't "seem" to be anything that comes close on terms of value to the on one.. SRAM X01 groupset... Dropper post... Pre drilled El guano rims.. Guide RSC brakes.. And Bluto forks?.. Seems a lot of bike for £1500.... Unless I'm missing something obvious..

Do it!! I did, haven't regretted it at all. In fact I haven't touched my 456 ever since 😀 An absolute hoot!

I've been more than happy with mine rigid though its taken a little getting used to again after so many years on a full sus. But after Sunday's first ever spin down some local fast technical (cliff edge) single track on the fatty, I found my arms & hands aching. I normally only ever go down that particular trail on a full suss.
It's given me food for thought. Maybe Renegades next year, can't afford Blutos.

thanks loads.. defo getting one.. lol..
as for the people saying about the 2x10 ... ive looked and there is just no option for it on the X01 set..
Suppose i could strip the X01 off and sell it.. lol... although i must admit im curious how good it is at 800 quid! most expensive groupset ive ever used! lol
ad for the tyres ive heard alot of good things about the on one floaters? or should i be possibly looking at something else ? 🙂

if its any consolation,,, its been so long since i did any real excercise,, cant see my climbing anything for a while thats so steep it would need a granny ring.. lol... just looking at a steep hill will probably be enough to make me get off and walk 😀

Chivalry - I have a small trail X01 if you're anywhere near Bristol & want a spin 🙂

slowboydickie - Member

I love my fatty. I bought one with a 170 rear hub which limits me to a 4.4 tyre. If I bought again I would go for a 190 or 197 hub.

Yah, I really feel like bikes that won't take a 4.8 are getting left behind- some of the best rubber doesn't come in smaller sizes and if fat is good then fatter is better, right? I still have some 4.0s but I need to run higher pressure in them and it's all just generally less ridiculous.

If you want a fatbike for sensible utility reasons then different rules apply I'm sure but if you just like dicking about on stupid bikes then more is more. Love my minions.

just out of curiosity oink1 ... how tall are you and hows the small feel? 😀
if your running the X01 groupset then its the 1 x 11 .. ? how is the lowest gear for climbing? miss your granny ring? 🙂

chivalry - Member
just out of curiosity oink1 ... how tall are you and hows the small feel?
if your running the X01 groupset then its the 1 x 11 .. ? how is the lowest gear for climbing? miss your granny ring?

Im about 5'7" on my right leg - 5'6" on the left (long story involving an MG metro and my ZXR750!) Haven't really tackled any major 'ups' on it yet but I can't say i've missed the granny. The small suits me fine 🙂 The only thing I don't like is the chainline but this seems to be the case with all 1 x 11 set ups.

Ouch.. You still ride?.. Got an old school bandit 1200 (with carbs!!!!) with 1 or 2 mods.. Keeps me in smiles... Lol..
Judging by that and what others have said.. At 5 9" the medium is looking perfect.. 😀

Sorry. I asked the budget then forgot to post back here. Anyway, looks like you've had plenty of feedback since.

You seem to have found what you are looking for too.

I did the search for a fat bike thing this time last year (including joining the really helpful UK fat bike site).
Although I wanted something very different. Old school/ traditional / adventure (or whatever you'd call it) geometry. So ended up with my Pug.

I'd recommend a decent tyre pressure gauge too as playing around with tyre pressures and seeing what works for you is part of the fun.

All the best with the new purchase when it happens. Enjoy.

Something not mentioned so far, if you change from SRAM stuff, to shimano, then the free hub will need changing as well...

I think...

Not cycle2work as far as I'm aware, but for £1469, I think the look and spec of the Canyon Dude CF 8.0 is lovely! 😈
https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/mtb/dude/dude-cf-8-0.html

Just noticed the 2017 Cube Nutrail has the new 4.4" Jumbo Jims, https://www.evanscycles.com/cube-nutrail-2017-mountain-bike-EV287448

I'm with Northwind, make sure whatever you get has clearance for 4.8 tyres, because 4.0 tyres are fun, but 4.8s are more funerer.

[img] [/img]Got the frame for £85 with a code off here!
Great fun but crap in mud. Runs specialized 4.8s with no clearance issues.

I'm with Northwind, make sure whatever you get has clearance for 4.8 tyres, because 4.0 tyres are fun, but 4.8s are more funerer.

Yes, I tested a Surly Wednesday (4") and an Ice Cream Truck (5"). I decided that the Wednesday was definitely the more sensible option, so brought the Truck 🙂

Arse... Lol.. Last minute decision change.. Found a 2016 cube nutrail race reduced from 2k to 1600.. 2x11 xt.. 4.4 tyres.. Bluto... Cubes Dropper post.. (they any good)..
I know it's a little dearer.. But I do like cubes!!!.. Opinions?..

chivalry - Member

But I do like cubes!!

Sadly, if it were me, that would be enough to swing it!

Then again, I'd be buying either a Wednesday or ICT if I were you, based purely on the fact I like Surly!

My main problem is its been so long since I looked at bikes I've no idea how comparable parts are to others..
I'm not one to buy a bike just on brand.. It has to be good value with good kit..
As far as I know the 2017 race is the same as the 2016.. But a rrp of 2300!!.. So if they really are the same I'm well happy at 1599..!
Absolutely no info anywhere on the RFR Dropper post though.. Annoying..
If anyone who knows there stuff fancies taking a peek at the 2016 nutrail race and offering an opinion of pointing out any flaws be much appreciated..!.. 😀

I'm not sure why people hate 1x11 when compared to 2x10.
In the tradition of giving biased advice promoting your own personal choice, I run mine with 30t chainring to an 11-46 cassette.
30/46 is more "granny" than the 24 front -> 36 rear you'd typically get with 2x10.
I don't really miss the high gears with that setup, I might if I was on a long flat piece of road, but I avoid that kind of riding.

Go for 2x10 if you want the range of gears, but don't do it because you miss your granny 🙂

Mudplugga. In depth tyre review please.
Do they self steer, do they go slideways when entering mud patches?

Had a quick look at the nutrail race...looks good. I wouldn't worry too much about the dropper post, most don't seem to survive the warranty period anyway. It looks a little short in the top tube (by current standards, at least) so make sure you sit on one to get the right size.
Wheels and tyres look decent. plus, you wont have to remortgage your home for a new cassette after a trip to the beach.

When I was looking at fat bikes about a year ago there were quite a few traily fatties around e.g Scott Big Jon, Spesh Fat Boy, Mondraker somethingorother and the Nutrail (Nu-trail not Nut-rail lol

They were all pretty much the same easy to ride and prices that reflected the specs. Some of them even had the same drop-out sections and the only differences were things like QR instead of thru-axles and press fit instead of threaded BBs.

The Nutrail has 150/197 hubs (good) a standard headset a PF BB (groan) and a normal 31.6/34.9 seat tube so it's pretty safe. XT is XT. Bluto take it or leave it.

Shame it doesn't have 4.8" tyres because with fat bikes the tyres & wheels are everything and narrower tyres suck

Shame it doesn't have 4.8" tyres because with fat bikes the tyres & wheels are everything and narrower tyres suck

I have a nutrail, as previously mentioned and it will take 4.8" tyres. Nothing wrong with the stock 4,4" ones on mine though.

I could do with replacing the bottom bracket but not sure which width I need. Haven't got round to measuring it yet.

Pic of my Cube fattie...

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Those Cubes are very good. The dropper less so, I hear.

Hey zippy, yes front slips sideways in mud, traction is good on the rear, in the dry they are sticky as hell tho you can really crank the bike over.

I'm 5 9" and I'm on a medium, with 125mm dropper its only 1 inch out of the tube, large would be far too big for you

thanks all.. pulled the trigger on the cube race 2016 in medium... works out i pay 1280 with the ride2work,, bargain seeing as this years is £2300! ( how can they jusify a 300 price hike over last years when its exactly the same bike... madness!)
really lots of thanks for all the advice.. been really helpfull 🙂

Good choice, enjoy.

Nice

chivalry - Member
thanks all.. pulled the trigger on the cube race 2016 in medium... works out i pay 1280 with the ride2work,, bargain seeing as this years is £2300! ( how can they jusify a 300 price hike over last years when its exactly the same bike... madness!)
really lots of thanks for all the advice.. been really helpfull

Pics when it arrives or it didn't happen! 😀

Pics?.. I'm hoping someone is going to come and show me how to put it together!!!! Lol...

chivalry - Member
Pics?.. I'm hoping someone is going to come and show me how to put it together!!!! Lol...

Bars. ,stem.. Wait. what??.. , 😀

Bars. ,stem.. Wait. what??.. , 😀

Bah.. Can't get a picture up.. 🙁

If it has same width bars as came on mine you'll want to swap them out straight away.

First things I did with mine were swap bars for something much wider, swap brakes and convert it to tubeless.

Miles better now.

740mm bars..... Im now skint.. It's staying as is for a while.. Might have a look at tubeless if I can work out how that works with big bloody holes in the rims... Lol 😀
XT brakes no good??.. Seem to get good reviews..?..

Might have a look at tubeless if I can work out how that works with big bloody holes in the rims...

Easy. Buy a strip of the wide gorilla tape, wrap it round once, put valves in, add sealant and done. Takes about 5 minutes per wheel. Has held up for months.

740mm bars..... Im now skint.. It's staying as is for a while.. Might have a look at tubeless if I can work out how that works with big bloody holes in the rims... Lol

Interested by comment up there somewhere that fatties are no good on mud.

I always sort of imagined they'd be OK, can anyone elaborate?

I've long been considering one and recently been feeling the itch again.

Also interested in how they are on what we call baby skulls (**** tons of fist sized loose stuff) and moorland grassiness.

Ta.

Having seen PostieRich of this parish's somewhat effortless gliding *up* Garburn Pass from the Kentmere side, at least until the really steep bit I have to conclude that they are pretty good on baby skulls.

Moorland grassiness? you'll sink in less on the soft bits and the large diameter will help on the tussocky bits in the same manner as a 29er wheel handles them.

Mud: seems to depend on the tyre.

Interested by comment up there somewhere that fatties are no good on mud.

For the mud I've ridden I'll call it a draw.

Impatient now... Want mine.. Lol.. Are we nearly there yet????

They are prone to wash out when entering shallow mud patches at speed. I've not found a tyre or developed a technique to combat it yet.
They are monumentally fantastic in all other mud though. Last winter I actively sought out the muddiest filthiest bits I could find. Loved it!