[Closed] Here's a dick on a Brompton

Bloke with Brompton is a c**k - riding like a tool as well as riding a Brompton
Bloke with camera is a c**k - Commuting videos! When was the last time he rode his bike and had some fun?
Both of them sum up most things that are wrong with urban cycling.

meh..

I'm not sticking up for him.. maybe the boy with the camera [i]is[/i] a nob.. who am I to judge?

But I am saying that avoiding confrontation for avoiding confrontation's sake [i]might not[/i] be the best thing to do..

sometimes I really can't help but call someone a **** if they're being a ****..
Is that bad..?

In paddy's opinion yes..

We should all walk around meekly looking away in case we appear sanctimonious.. let someone else deal with it..

paddy has judged that it's not our job..

well done paddy.. 😆

you can have a lollypop

Is that bad..?

No. Not at all.

I often shout "DICK!" at RLJers. Only to repeat it again as I then ride past them shortly after the lights have changed! 🙂

You hero you.

Well, perhaps this thread has helped a few RLJ'ers realize they aren't as cool as they thought they were.

imnotverygood, they're dicks. They may or may not know that, but they are, and shall remain dicks.

Perhaps more of us should remind them. Just gently opine, "Dick" as they RLJ.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs there was really no need to put it on youtube, that makes the guy filming a cock, imo.

So the guy on the Brompton was in the wrong, why not just make your point to him if you have to and then leave it there?

But of course balance to the Universe can only be restored if you get your argument on camera and put it all over the internet for everybody to see 🙄

Yunkie...

yunki - Member

meh..

I'm not sticking up for him.. maybe the boy with the camera is a nob.. who am I to judge?

You have no right to judge. You have a right to an opinion. Just like I do.

But I am saying that avoiding confrontation for avoiding confrontation's sake might not be the best thing to do..

sometimes I really can't help but call someone a * if they're being a *..
Is that bad..?

In paddy's opinion yes..

If you knew me you'd know how preposterous that is. Confrontation for confrontations sake is silly and pointless. And in this case, in my opinion, the confrontation was purely for the enjoyment of 'curds viewers. It served ZERO positive purpose.

But let's put this into perspective - I have a scar on face and a smashed tooth where a neo-nazi twunt attacked me with a kuckle duster after I stopped him harassing a young coloured girl. That wasn't a needless confrontation. (If you're interested, the nazi came off worst - hospital with a crushed windpipe amongst other sundries 😉 )

So no. I'm neither pacifist OR against confrontation. When it's needed. And in that case it was pointless! Can't you see that? That calling someone an idiot is simple fighting talk? It's not going to fix anything or help the original guy see that what he did was wrong!

We should all walk around meekly looking away in case we appear sanctimonious.. let someone else deal with it..

It's not his business to stop someone committing a civil offence! How you conflate this with "meekly looking away" is beyond me. The red light jumpers actions may or may not be foolish, but calling him an idiot does no one any good.

paddy has judged that it's not our job..

I didn't judge, I opined. Learn the difference. Although I'm tempted to cut you a little slack - the air must be hella thin up there on your high horse.

you can have a lollypop

Hmmm... I'm debating with someone who offers lollipops to strangers? Maybe it's a good thing I don't judge. 😉

imnotverygood...

Maybe it's made some of us feel *cooler*.

😀 😀

I always like the idea of stretching out my arm and clotheslining someone as they RLJ, no idea if it's even possible, but it would be teh awsum if one succeeded.

p8ddy = Son of Junky for teh epic copy/pasting!

(Anyone else notice the recent increase in * and * by way of swear filter avoidance? Not reporting it myself, as I don't really mind, but it certainly seems to be on the rise)

Njee, I've dropped a shoulder in to a fixie-asshat when a pedestrian. He was coming at speed towards a very busy pedestrian crossing, with no intention to stop. So I stepped in front of him and braced for impact. I am of a 'rugby' build. He did not win that one. 🙂

Simple fact - Don't ride like a dick and no one will call you a dick.

the video should be called a guide to getting knifed in London.

All RLJers are ****.

I've been on the receiving end of a RLJer: I was on green & cyclist jumping a red t-boned me. Result cost me a new front wheel. I didn't call them an idiot, that was wayyyyy too polite.

I see numerous jumpers, thru lights & burning pedestrian on zebras (who also shout choice words at disappearing idiots). I'd like to see plod stationed on some busy intersection doling out £30 on the spot fines by the bucket load. Call it an idiot tax.

Torihada, I'm pleased to say that there are increasing numbers of said patrols dishing out fixed penalties in That London at the moment. All good!

CaptainFlashheart...

I just wanted to give Yunki's post the attention to detail it deserved. Given he so maligned and manipulated the point I was making!!

*Yunki - the above is meant in a jocular and friendly manner. 😉

the video should be called a guide to getting knifed in London.

by a middle aged gent on a Brompton..!?

bitch please

(Anyone else notice the recent increase in * and * by way of swear filter avoidance? Not reporting it myself, as I don't really mind, but it certainly seems to be on the rise)

I just type in the raw swears and let the forum software deal with it

If it helps p8ddy, I'm probably on your side of this argument too really 8)

3dvgirl...

the video should be called a guide to getting knifed in London.

😀

Yunki...

I just type in the raw swears and let the forum software deal with it

I did likewise but then revised. Didn't I read that hitting the swear filter was banning offence?

It filters very tame words, so that would seem insanely harsh. But who am I to judge?

by a middle aged gent on a Brompton..!?

next time it might not be...

Yunki..

If it helps p8ddy, I'm probably on your side of this argument too really

My only defence is that I come from an Irish family. For some reason arguing/debating is a national past time with them. I blame my father really. 😀

Did you watch the same video? Playing it cool would've involved flipping him the bird and continuing on his merry way, not coming back to a set of traffic lights declaring that he "takes great exception" to being called an idiot (poor wee lamb).

I dunno, if he'd just cycled off I'd have said he was a bit of a wet lettuce.

He comes back and rubs it in his face "im going to carry on doing it anyway"

yunki...

by a middle aged gent on a Brompton..!?

bitch please

I swear this is true - but a guy I used to work with rode a Brompton and carried a large screwdriver around with him because a motorist had noised him up and "he wasn't letting him get away with it".

He only stopped when I asked him to consider that the motorist might take it off him and use it against him. At which point he switched to pepper spray. Proper mentalist. And you'd never have guessed from looking at him.

Rightly or wrongly, I've always been wary of Bromptons since. 😀

p8ddy = Son of Junky for teh epic copy/pasting!

**** you [see what i did there] I am having a Ctrl C + V off now let me have some fun !

It's a straw man. And an astonishingly crap one.

You said it was not our job to administer the law and I gave another example of me not administering the law. How is that different from what you said ? How have I misrepresented or altered what you said? I have not i have simply applied it to another situation

"Idiot" was the cry,

That's not what I said. Again, it's another poor rhetorical fallacy. That red light jumper, jumping the light *may* or *may not* make him an idiot. That's up for debate.

Well done

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Simple fact - Don't ride like a dick and no one will call you a dick.

Obviously non of you ride cheeky trails. And it would be OK to call you a dick, if you did?

Wouldn't want to see anyone breaking the rules 😕

If that gif's not on the "gifs you can watch all day" thread, I don't know why not.

Wow.

If that gif's not on the "gifs you can watch all day" thread, I don't know why not.

Would be interesting to hear the story behind it!

I saw it on LFGSS Gif thread but don't know the story behind it unfortunatly. Maybe some dicks just being dicks ?

Would be interesting to hear the story behind it!

I think the one who ended up in the water had just jumped a red light...

Been around for years that one (hence the 90s kit!), looks really staged the way the guy jumps onto the wall.

Junkyard...

Junkyard - lazarus

Do you get good straw mans then

Of course you do. You get ones that aren't blazingly transparent and that actually seem to make sense. Yours didn't.

What is the best fallacious argument you know then

Yours. Apparently.

I'll ignore the ad hominem nature of your entire retort and go with it. I like playing with you. 😉

It's like you learnt some internet memes and posh terms but forgot to bother to find out what they meant.

Oh! Bitchy! And *some* internet memes? I only name one rhetorical fallacy m'lord!!

You said it was not our job to administer the law and I gave another example of me not administering the law. How is that different from what you said ? How have I misrepresented or altered what you said? I have not i have simply applied it to another situation

No you didn't. You compared harmful criminal actions (stealing a bike, and MY bike, the insult!!) with an unrelated harmless civil matter. No one was harmed, no one was hurt. Straw man. See it now? Don't worry, go back and read again, you'll get there eventually (I predict at approx 3am a dull lighbulb will flicker metaphorically above your head and you'll have that eureka moment)

it was you are acting like an idiot - what was your point about straw man?

OK. Sorry. Maybe if you'd construct your sentences in a coherent manner I'd follow your meaning better.

I know thats what I said

That's not what you say above? (Ref: See above comment about coherence)

I said that it was a strange value system that would call the law breakers behaviour up for debate whilst calling the non law breaker names. How is that a fallacy - why not the name the fallacy - should keep you busy on google

I was referring to you implying I was an idiot. So the fallacy? As mentioned above - Ad hominem. You seem to like those ones.

I love it when folk use terms they dont understand to appear clever- its ace you dont know how little you understand #chuckles and expects some more.

I guess my English masters must be a fake as well then? ha ha ha....Tip for the top, If you're going to be a smart ass, make sure you're smart as well as being an ass.

Another wee note - If you think an ability to identify rhetorical fallacies is "trying to look smart" you're not setting the bar very high.

Over and out.

...Tip for the top, If you're going to be a smart ass, make sure you're smart as well as being an ass.

Would that be, 'Tip from the top'?

Over and out.

Over means you are passing the conversation on to another party, and expecting it to continue and out means you are leaving. Which is it?
If you're going to be a smart ass, etc.....

Glad to see this is still rolling on.

*pulls up chair

So... When did the idiot's become dick's?

You compared harmful criminal actions (stealing a bike, and MY bike, the insult!!) with an unrelated harmless civil matter.

It's also not his job to administer the law or indeed lend approval to other peoples actions

it was you are acting like an idiot - what was your point about straw man?
OK. Sorry. Maybe if you'd construct your sentences in a coherent manner I'd follow your meaning better.

Ad hominem. You seem to like those ones.

I guess my English masters must be a fake as well then

This thread is the sad truth of what STW has become.
WHO CARES WHO IS RIGHT OR WRONG. LIFES TOO SHORT TO ARGUE.
Kiss your partner, go for a pint.

iolo, why are you here then?

Babysitting while shes out getting plastered.

Junkyard...

As any fule kno there's civil as well as criminal law.

turn the forum off...put some porn on then.

Whoooah, i appear to have joined this thread at the blowhards just arguing the toss stage. It makes me slightly relieved I'm at work tonight. Keep up the good work.

Junkyard..

That is called moving the goalpost here is what you said

As said previously there is civil as well as criminal law. You compared a criminal act with a civil one. Hence the straw man.

there you go that is the principle i applied when watching them steal your bike- i am really not sure how a fabricated thought experiment is an insult BTW

The insult was an insult, the straw man a straw man. Read back your original post, see insult, recognise ad hominem.

my "straw man" showed it up for the pish it was as sometimes, at least, you should do something.

Yeah, because insulting someone is "doing something". I'll bet the red light jumper will never do it again and will have seen the error of his ways! Or rather he'll away thinking 'curd is a self righteous ass that needs his neck punched.

I made no comment on it at all beyond pointing out you were incorrect in your statement of the facts as heard on the video

I return to my earlier point about being clear in what you write.

Its only an ad hom if you are not an idiot

Um... no it isn't. An ad hominem is argument directed at the person. I suggest you look it up (avoid wikipedia).

I originally questioned your values judgements - i never said you were an idiot - see point above about moving the goalposts.

Thank you.

you seem good at spinning a yarn so it seems it was not all wasted

And you seem to enjoy being disrespectful. Feel free to point out the yarns being spun though. Should be comedy gold.

Enjoy your night.

on 2nd thoughts, I am off to watch some porn......... 🙄

The guy on the brompton in the vid is an arrogant ill mannered idiot who risks giving us cyclists all a bad name - all the waffle about the law (or not) above misses the point

P8ddy, go and get some sex. You need it.

As any fule kno there's civil as well as criminal law.

You know what they say about a little knowledge being a dangerous thing? The fools might know there is civil law, but it appears they don't understand what it is.

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He's not a dick he's a c bomb

You compared a criminal act with a civil one. Hence the straw man.

The insult was an insult, the straw man a straw man

I return to my earlier point about being clear in what you write.

ad hominem is argument directed at the person

* its only an appeal to authority if the expert is not an expert in that field to save you some google time.

you seem to enjoy being disrespectful.

ffs get me some more tissues........... 🙄

ooooooooh Ton, you sapiosexual deviant you..! 😀

you said the law which encompasses both. I suggest you say what you mean next time.

I didn't equate theft to red light jumping. That was you. I said exactly what I meant. It was, and remains a straw man.

repeating the word is not an explanation - brilliant
was your masters Shakespeare was a great author because he was a great author

No, I was being purposely droll. You appeared to associate one with the other. I was just setting the record straight in as tiresome a matter as possible.

could you highlight the part that i said that confused you - I said nothing about it apart from to correct your error

Maybe you could clarify my 'error' first. In English. And in a coherent readable manner.

Nearly right as it's an irrelevant point directed at the person

No it's a point that's irrelevant to the argument but directed at the person, not an irrelevant point. A subtle but important distinction.

Ha ha ha.... fair play - good catch on the appeal to authority. 😉

Is that an ad hom or relevant

Acht... I got bored. I was just joining in.

What's all this 'the cameraman deserves a punch'?

If someone calls you a dick for breaking the law and you hit him, you've kindof proved him right. Hardly eye for an eye is it?

Finally, if the camera man tried the same stunt in Glasgow, I suspect he'd be a regular at A&E.

Donkey porn here too, how you doing Ton, changed hands at half time... ?

Maybe you could clarify my 'error' first. In English. And in a coherent readable manner.

How about liar, liar pants on fire ?
Clear enough for you?
There you go rebut that with the direct quote from my posting that led to your confusion.
You cannot, because I only mentioned it to correct your error hence you are left doing this.
i would look like an idiot now if you quoted it why resist - because its not true.

it's a point that's irrelevant to the argument but directed at the person

If it was relevant to the argument it would not be an ad hom would it. More words same thing. I note you opted to not defend your original definition 😆

Bickering and insults got this thread closed