[Closed] Here's a dick on a Brompton

Why bother wearing a helmet with the strap that loose?

Tosser, the guy filming should pushed him off.

In a way I feel sorry for people like that. I've known a few. They can't see it's their own behaviour that leads them into conflict and problems all the time. They just carry on crashing through life behaving like toddlers, from one crappy situation to another, totally unaware...

I love the way he's obviously in such a hurry to get where he's going that he jumps the red light, but then comes back to have a go because he was called an idiot (which he wasn't as the guy said don't be an idiot and not your an idiot) 🙄

The scary thing is that the bloke with the camera has got my voice. Very disconcerting.

[quote=bol said]The scary thing is that the bloke with the camera has got my voice. Very disconcerting.

Oh dear, my sympathies.

what a dick. hope he gets sideswiped by a truck

Both idiots if you ask me.

I know the law is black and white but you're a lot less vulnerable when you're moving and I actually think it wasn't a particularly offensive move. However, he is def a dick to risk picking a fight like that.

He's a knob and makes it harder for every sensible cyclist out there

I agree with this.

jambourgie - Member
Both idiots if you ask me.

[quote=gears_suck ]I agree with this. jambourgie - Member
Both idiots if you ask me.

+1
but the guy on the brompton needs a kicking, and I expect somebody will oblige.

crosshair - Member - Quote
I know the law is black and white but you're a lot less vulnerable when you're moving and I actually think it wasn't a particularly offensive move. However, he is def a dick to risk picking a fight like that.

Why is the guy filming an idiot? He just 'said what he saw'. A stoopid idiot getting drivers' backs up by making up the rules to suit him.

Yes, it was probably a perfectly safe manoeuvre but if it had been a car doing the same no-one here would be calling the filming cyclist an idiot.

Why is the guy filming an idiot?

More importantly, what the **** does America have to do with it?

Rest of the world thinks it's safe to turn on a red light. Just saying.

it was probably a perfectly safe manoeuvre but if it had been a car doing the same no-one here would be calling the filming cyclist an idiot.

But that's because a car weighs about two tonnes. Christ, does it really need explaining?

The guy filming is an idiot because he's calling a stranger (an idiot) an idiot. Arguing with the idiot, filming the idiot, and then posting a video of the idiot online and publicly calling him an idiot.

Rest of the world thinks it's safe to turn on a red light. Just saying.

Tell that to the pedestrians.

The fundamental point is if you want to be treated as an equal on the roads, then you act like an equal.

Rest of the world thinks it's safe to turn on a red light

bencooper +1.

How can you possibly expect respect from other road users whilst blatantly ignoring the law? Most (non-cycling) car drivers don't need much of an excuse to hate cyclists, and ploughing through a red light just adds fuel to the big, angry flames.

But that's because a car weighs about two tonnes. Christ, does it really need explaining?

Doesn't matter. If a car can't jump a red light, neither can a cyclist, a horse or a bus. The law applies equally and in true British fashion, no-one likes a queue jumper. It annoys folk. It means that the next cyclist they see won't be a human being; a dad, a son, a brother - they'll be an effin' red light jumping, queue-skipping bastard who doesn't deserve to be passed safely.

Can you really not see this?! It's not a massive leap of logic...

Yes, I do understand that argument. The last one that is, not the 'obeying rules for the sake of it' one.

I do feel it's a valid point of view. But it still panders to driver stupidity. A bit like the 'we should all ride submissively in the gutter lest it wind up some mouth-breather in a car'.

I certainly don't agree with your 'queue jumping' argument. Do you not condone filtering either?

I agree that obeying rules blindly, purely for the sake of it is a bad idea - sometimes they need to be broken for the sake of safety, or because they are just plain silly.

But... have you never seen a road sign (whilst driving) telling you that the lanes merge into one in 500 yards? Then 300, then 200... And still, there is some cock overtaking almost into the line of cones, just to demonstrate the size of his penis, which is such a very large and important appendage?

That ^^^ is how drivers feel about cyclists who break the unwritten rules of polite and sensible road useage. And a Brompton is hardly the vehicle on which to make such a point. Because they're ridiculous.

I speak as a cyclist and a driver, and am mostly pretty chilled out about British roads after experiencing the chaos of Kuala Lumpur's roads.

Do you not condone filtering either?

Absolutely irrelevant. Filtering is legal. Jumping a red light is not.

In a way I feel sorry for people like that. I've known a few. They can't see it's their own behaviour that leads them into conflict and problems all the time.

Yup, if you call a complete stranger a ****ing idiot, it's likely to cause conflict 😕

Would you do the same if you seen someone crossing the road without waiting for the green man?

Hmm, I do get your point. Maybe I'm just too chilled out and need to get MAD 🙂

If I'm driving, I don't generally get too annoyed. If 'some cock' overtakes me because of something to do with his penis, well, whatever. I'm quite happy with my own.
As for lights, I always stop if I'm driving, but I don't get annoyed if some guy on a bike goes through ahead of me (benefits of riding a bike eh?). If I'm on my bike, I always stop at pedestrian crossings, whether it's safe to go through or not. I guess as some weird expression of respect to the pedestrian in general (only just realised that I do this). But that's my choice. If I'm sat at an empty crossing on red and some guy rides straight through, that's his choice. He's made his own risk/moral assessment. I certainly wouldn't shout 'idiot' at him 🙂
All other red lights I'll generally go through if safe to do so.

Harrumph. In typical bloody STW fashion, everyone agrees whilst trying desperately to find a reason not to.

That said, I'd happily harangue a cyclist riding through a red light. We don't have the privilege of deciding that because I'm on a bike, I can do exactly what I please. The rules of the road have developed through horses and carts, through to Hobby-horses, past Penny-Farthings, to motor cars and finally to modern bicycles.

I DO get annoyed if a cyclist nips through on a red light. Not because I can't, in my car, but because the 14 cars behind me see the cyclist doing it and rev their engines in preparation to teach all cyclists a lesson.

No need to get MAD, just uphold the rules and rail at those who don't - I reckon the guy in the OP was braver than 90% of those on here.

The really funny thing about the video is that the bloke on the Brompton gets upset about being called an idiot, and in order to complain about it he rides on the wrong side of the road back through the lights, thus proving the point.

Yeah but in the grand scheme of things, nothing's really happened here. Did it really require being brave? It's not like the guy in the OP is some kind of 'have a go hero' who's just brought down a mugger. I'm not even sure why I'm debating this, I'm just always amazed at how utterly outraged people seem to get at each other over the littlest things.

I think this Youtube comment pretty much sums it up;

...starting to think that being a self-righteous prick has less to do with being in a car, and more just otherwise powerless peons being on a road with no immediate authority and rules they can throw at each other.? Both people itching to tell someone what for, fancy themselves in the right, and both think it's a jolly good time calling each other names and arguing in the middle of traffic. Bravo.

Right, off to bed. Goodnight [s]****in idiots[/s] all.

😉

It's the STW equivalent of a row in a kebab house.

Breaking the rules of the road is pretty cockish but I can't help thinking calling strangers f@&£
Ing idiots and posting videos of it is even more so.

anyone riding a Brompton deserves a bloody thick ear.....imho 😀

IanW - Member
Breaking the rules of the road is pretty cockish but I can't help thinking calling strangers f@&£
Ing idiots and posting videos of it is even more so.

He didn't actually swear. He said don't be an idiot very different.

He's a knob and makes it harder for every sensible cyclist out there

If you want respect on the road don't brake the rules simple.

OK, I'll bite.
I don't see why my safety should depend on that. The guy is a cock, yes. It's a blatant charge straight through but he didn't send grannies diving for cover, didn't hospitalise a dozen kids.

I see hundreds of drivers breaking the law every day. RLJ, speeding, using handheld mobile phones, etc. No-one ever suggests that gives all drivers "a bad name". No-one says that all pedestrians have "a bad name" just cos a few idiots walk across on red. Why is it so acceptable to be this angry and hateful of one entire group of road users simply because of a few idiots? (and don't get me wrong, that was a properly cockish move).

In no other branch of society is this reaction tolerated. If I said that all black people "have a bad name" because I once saw a group of black people beat someone up, I'd be hauled up on race hate charges within minutes! (That's a true example, it was in Brixton (just to complete the stereotype) and I've never run so fast in my life to get away from it all!).

I see the way of thinking that gets people to that point. I just think extrapolating the behaviour of one **** onto a group is an even worse thing to do.

User_removed- studies have shown that filling up a filtering lane results in all the traffic getting through faster with less congestion so the people going all the way to the end of the filter lane are the sensible ones. I bet you're one of the arrogant knobs that block both lanes like a road warrior.

2am, on your way home from the airport, you get to a normally busy roundabout whose traffic lights are timed for peak traffic. Do you all sit at the now pointless set of red lights??? I know what I do.
What happened to cyclists dismounting and pushing their bikes through a red on the pavement too, or is being a Ped just too uncool these days 😀

Nobody died. Move along.

To be honest I wanted too see the light jumper smack the whiny voiced toss pot in the face. Both dickheads, just for different reasons.

what kind of sad to55 pot rides around on his bike, filming other cyclists, doing stuff wrong?
I would have ripped his camera off his head, and smashed it on the ground. nicely tho........ 😀

Since we've moved on to filtering, I wrote this on my blog last night:

Filtering – the practice of passing a line of stationary traffic on your bike – is often advised as good practice and even officially encouraged with advanced stop lanes and other road markings. But is it?

This thought was brought on by an incident today – I was driving a bunch of frame parts to the powdercoaters so using my car. On a dual carriageway I passed a cyclist, courteously giving him a whole lane. A few hundred yards further on there was a red light. The cyclist approached, and with no other traffic on the road he passed my car and stopped in front. Then, when the light changed I had to pass him again.

No big deal? Yes. But annoying and discourteous. He gained nothing apart from one car length.

When I cycle, I rarely filter – it just seems rude to squeeze past cars which will just have to squeeze past me in a minute. We all, as cyclists, find it silly and annoying when a car squeezes past then gets stuck in the next traffic jam. But cyclists who filter through free-moving traffic do the same thing.

So am I saying one should never filter? No, of course not – one big joy of commuting by bike is that you’re free of traffic jams, able to move at your own pace. But more judgement is a good idea – don’t automatically squeeze to the front of a queue, if we want to be treated like traffic we should behave like it, and that includes being “fair”.

What ben said.

Too many cyclists think they own the road. Filtering should be done selectively.

Too many cyclists think they're hardcore road warrior couriers.

Crosshair - I said

Filtering is legal.

Ben: agree 100%, good blog. I only filter if I can see that the way ahead is sufficiently busy for me to have an advantage. If it's a clear road, I'll ease up, wait for the queue to start moving and slot in as it gets up to speed. It's for my own safety too - every time someone overtakes it's one more chance for them to hit me. The fewer overtakes, the safer my ride!

To be honest I wanted too see the light jumper smack the whiny voiced toss pot in the face. Both dickheads, just for different reasons.

To be honest I wanted tooooo see the light jumper and whiny voiced toss pot both realise they were wrong, hug strenuously and go for a coffee together for a weepy reconciliation of world-views.

New rules for traffic lights: go when the light is the same colour as your jersey. (Pro tip: don't wear blue)

While the guy filming the whole incident is a muppet for putting it on line I doubt he had the camera there for the specific purpose of catching other cyclists. More so for evidence when a London bus knocks him off the road.

The long and short of it is that there was no safety issue with the guy on the brompton stopping at the lights and he illegally crossed the red light and shouldn't have. Rules be rules people and bending them is okay but breaking them isn't.

Would have been funny for them to have some silly fight moment akin to the one in the inbetweeners movie.

If it looks like a dick, sounds like a dick & acts like a dick, it's a dick. He's a dick.

I once had a similar confrontation, but the dick in question was riding the wrong way along St Martin Le Grand in central London, which is 4 lanes wide and one way. Dawinism in action.

Crosshair is right on the car point. You are supposed to use all the lanes until they merge not create a 2 mile queue then have a hissy-fit because someone drives properly.

(i am aware this point has been done-to-death in previous threads!)

But... have you never seen a road sign (whilst driving) telling you that the lanes merge into one in 500 yards? Then 300, then 200... And still, there is some cock overtaking almost into the line of cones, just to demonstrate the size of his penis, which is such a very large and important appendage?

I was referring to this actually User-removed. No apology needed 🙂

I was expecting a fight, very disappointed.

But red light = stop and wait for green one, it really is that simple.

To be honest I wanted to see the light jumper and whiny voiced toss pot both realise they were wrong, hug strenuously.

Not really my sort of thing but fair enough.

I think it is ok to call the idiot an idiot because it at least disabuses him of the notion that everyone else on a bike thinks it is acceptable to RLJ. It is the idea that it is 'normal' to do this that gives idiots the sense of entitlement. If they think their peers regard then as stupid and selfish I suspect more would stop at red.

But red light = stop and wait for green one, it really is that simple.

The cyclist broke the law.
Now, whether you choose to be selective about which laws you obey and which you ignore for whatever reason, whether through ignorance or by choice, is entirely up to you but if you get caught then all the arguing and reasoning in the world doesn't change the fact that you broke the law and may have to suffer the consequences.

Jesus, i bet they both have vaginas.

cynic-al - Member

Too many cyclists

+1

I've got no time for RLJers, but I've got even less time for sanctimonious tossers like the bloke with the camera. Hopefully he'll annoy the wrong person sooner or later.

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crazy-legs has it. Just because one person behaves poorly doesn't make the whole group of similar users the same. This earning respect stuff and one person tarring the whole group nonsense is simply that. If people treat all cyclists badly because they see one doing something stupid it's a very easy argument to counter. Drivers kill people every day so all drivers are murderers. The sooner we knock that ridiculous talk on the head the better.

As far this incident goes. He jumped a red light, end of. He's an idiot for doing so. I've no idea why people think the camera man is an idiot. He hasn't complained about the bloke coming back to argue, he welcomed the confrontation. He knew what would happen and took the opportunity to try and educate the other guy. I do the same thing, some people come back to argue which is fine, some people ignore me, which is also fine.

dirk_pumpa - Member
Jesus, i bet they both have vaginas.

Blimey, isn't that rather discriminatory against women? 😯

The initial 'offence' was something and nothing TBH but coming back to remonstrate with the guy was pretty dick-ish.

Blimey, isn't that rather discriminatory against women?

Don't forget the blasphemy.

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Nearly a dick on a nearly Brompton.

Don't forget the blasphemy.

Have to admit, that did make me chuckle 😆

Guy on brompton clearly a dick, as are all cyclists that think its ok to ignore the rules of the road.

As both a cyclist and a driver I see a far higher percentage of cyclists in the city centre that think they can be selective on what laws they follow than I do drivers

this is how it should have panned out car v cyclist

If people treat all cyclists badly because they see one doing something stupid it's a very easy argument to counter

Beautiful in simplicity and principle, meaningless when you consider the "intellect" / "thought process" of the average driver.

The guy on the brompton played it pretty cool, I thought the other guy looked more of an idiot

"I see no problem, I'll carry on jumping the lights" Then he drops him, cool as a cucumber, leaving laddo whining on "thirty pound fine mate, thirty pound fine!"

It's london, he probably earns £30 in five minutes worth of work

If people treat all cyclists badly because they see one doing something stupid it's a very easy argument to counter
Beautiful in simplicity and principle, meaningless when you consider the "intellect" / "thought process" of the average driver.

^^^^^

Unfortunately there are generalisms in all walks of life - all BMW drivers are arrogant, all football fans are morons etc which are brought on by a small minority, but this one can result in a human being going about their day being killed.

People jumping red lights perpetuate the common feeling amongst the hard of thinking, that all cyclists are selfish twonks who don't deserve the protection of the law or any courtesy on the road. It needs to stop, to protect other law abiding cyclists.

Posting videos of it on YouTube doesn't help, in my opinion, either.

davidtaylforth - Member
The guy on the brompton played it pretty cool, I thought the other guy looked more of an idiot

"I see no problem, I'll carry on jumping the lights" Then he drops him, cool as a cucumber, leaving laddo whining on "thirty pound fine mate, thirty pound fine!"

It's london, he probably earns £30 in five minutes worth of work

Did you watch the same video? Playing it cool would've involved flipping him the bird and continuing on his merry way, not coming back to a set of traffic lights declaring that he "takes great exception" to being called an idiot (poor wee lamb).

And he doesn't drop him, whiney-boy turns off.

I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely thought the law had been changed to allow cyclists to turn left at a red light. It was certainly discussed in the press that they were considering it, no?

My opinion, if it's being invited, is that the camera man is the jobsworth on this occasion.

If it looks like a dick, sounds like a dick & acts like a dick, it's a dick. He's a dick.

they are both dicks, I am a dick & so's my wife, do we get a prize?

I think some of the uploaders other vids should be taken a look at. He basically uploads every cycling or driving misdemeanour he captures on his helmet cam and on all of them passes the usual whiny voiced 'slow down mate' 'very careless riding mate' 'patience mate' 'stupid manoeuvre mate'. I'm surprised he hasn't got multiple scars from people smacking him one.

Well from my past experience of remonstrating drivers and cyclists, most of em are a lot less brave when they're not behind a keyboard or windscreen.
And I'm hardly an intimidating looking individual.

Well from my past experience of remonstrating drivers and cyclists, most of em are a lot less brave when they're not behind a keyboard or windscreen.

Aye, and mores the pity as far as he's concerned.

TBH - I find the camera man a sanctimonious ass. 2 cyclists, both gits in their own right.

He's entitled to his opinion, but he's not entitled to insult people. It's also not his job to administer the law or indeed lend approval to other peoples actions. In summary he's an ass. That the light jumper is a moron is something that's up for discussion, but that doesn't exonerate the web2.0 publicity junkie that's filming people and putting them on youtube.

The bottom line is that neither of these two people is representative of "cyclists". We are not a race or a homogenous glob any more that people who wear trousers or socks are. And anyone that bases their opinions of "cyclists" on the actions of one or two people (whatever that term represents) is a bigot, not too seperate to people like Tommy Robinson and his ilk.

Finally, if the camera man tried the same stunt in Glasgow, I suspect he'd be a regular at A&E.

I dunno..

I'm not condemning the actions of either rider..

He's entitled to his opinion, but he's not entitled to insult people. It's also not his job to administer the law or indeed lend approval to other peoples actions.

exactly like you're doing now then..?

maybe he IS entitled, why wouldn't he be..?
maybe that's what's wrong with society..?

It's also not his job to administer the law or indeed lend approval to other peoples actions

he's an ass. That the light jumper is a moron is something that's up for discussion,

Law breaking debatable but saying you act like an idiot when you break the law = ass, I disagree

Yunki...

exactly like you're doing now then..?

Exactly like I'm doing, by not doing it? 😀 I'm [i]expressing an opinion[/i] on a message board, I'm not confronting someone and calling them an idiot. As I said, he's entitled to his opinion, but how exactly is acting in an insulting and confrontational manner going to help anything more than getting him the flat nose he's always hankered after?

maybe he IS entitled, why wouldn't he be..?
maybe that's what's wrong with society..?

What, there aren't enough confrontational sanctimonious asses? Hmmm.. I don't think that's what's wrong with society.

It's none of the cameraman's business to pass judgement - the cyclist jumping the light doesn't affect him in any way. It has no purpose to insult the guy other than by giving him a ill gotten sense of superiority.

Who does it help? What good does it do? what positive purpose is there to calling the guy an idiot? That's right, none. Zilch. He's an ass.

Junkyard...

yes that was my defence when I stood there watching them rob your bike.

Because clearly the two are the same. It's a straw man. And an astonishingly crap one.

One is a protective act, the other has no purpose.

Now, if he'd ridden up to the cyclist and said "Someone was knocked down there last week, you might want to think before jumping red lights" I'd have a lot more sympathy. But he didn't. "Idiot" was the cry, and one designed more to give his youtube channel more emotive conflict porn, than to help road users or anyone else.

I think its your basis for this judgement that is up for debate

Law breaking debatable but saying you act like an idiot when you break the law = ass, I disagree

So do I. That's not what I said. Again, it's another poor rhetorical fallacy. That red light jumper, jumping the light *may* or *may not* make him an idiot. That's up for debate. Not the notion that breaking the law makes everyone an ass. Or an idiot.

Here here.