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Something like a 90's/early 00's good quality road or audux bike for a 6fter?
Typing road bike into ebay just brings up too many hits for a newbie. Any road forums??
Budget? Upto 350ish
In all seriousness, unless you're after something that 'looks' old (i.e. skinny steel), the you'll find that modern lower-end bikes are probably better. I read Chris Boardman saying that his sub-£1000 bikes are better than the stuff he did the tour on as technology had moved on so much.
If you want something that 'looks' old, and I can't blame you, I love the skinny steel look, you need to be looking at pre-90's really.
I love the old steel look 8)
In which case, by a frame and build it up with modern bits. There's tonnes on Planet-X at the moment...
Type 531,853 ,columbus into ebay that will bring up old steel from time immemorial.Then try some of the classic names ,Colnago ,Merckx,Pinarello .Also go onto the London fixed gear single speed site ,go to classifieds and look under ebay finds on craigslists .Some very nice stuff turns up there ,just google LFGSS !
Type in Peugeot Road Bike into eBay and ignore anything that is tagged "retro".
Or Trek, but they were into Alloy at the time.
Around that era manufacturers were into Alloy so you may find the task, tasking.
Hora, try looking at the classifieds in Cycling Weekly.
Indurain won the tour in 93 on steel !
My road bike is a 1997 Lemond Buenos Aries (Trek era)
[url= http://www.bikepedia.com/QuickBike/BikeSpecs.aspx?Year=1997&Brand=lemond&Model=Buenos+Aries&Type=bike ]853 frame and full 105 etc[/url]
Fits all my needs and rides really nicely... it looked quite old-skool BITD when I bought it 😐 ... but now I love its looks more 8)
Worth looking for Lemonds on ebay.
Must take a picture.
I would look at a Koga Miyata for a 6 footer plus, there's a guy on LFGSS that specialises in only these bikes,
Some of the tubing this company used is simply stunning, on some of their 90's stuff they had barley twist tubing and wishbone rear ends as well as a full Shimano 600 gruppo !
The frame steel was Japenese but the bikes are from the Netherlands
I love them, they did some MTB's at one time too they are also quite desireable on the Retro Bike site ?
Enjoy,
Jap steel? look for good Ishiwata 015 is very light ,my low pro is 017 and that copes with my 99kg(on a light day )
that budget is meager for what your asking....
[url= http://www.steel-vintage.com/ ]take a look here[/url]
Yes...Wow! Pity I missed it: http://www.lfgss.com/thread108641.html
Glad you found that ,there is some truly great stuff on there
Heres a few to get you going:-
[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Claud-Butler-531-Reynolds-Racing-Road-Bike-/290937850575?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item43bd3f4acf ]Claude Butler[/url]
[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Claud-Butler-531-Reynolds-Racing-Road-Bike-/290937850575?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item43bd3f4acf ]Raleigh[/url]
[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Eddy-Merckx-TDF-Single-Speed-Road-Racing-Bicycle-Bike-23-Fixie-Cool-/121134032537?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item1c3426a699 ]Eddy Merkx[/url]
[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KOGA-MIYATA-EXERCISER-ROAD-RACING-BIKE-BICYCLE-CYCLE-STEEL-FRAME-SHIMANO-105-/111084603581?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item19dd2888bd ]Koga[/url]
[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vintage-classic-Lemond-racing-road-bike-/151068674239?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item232c6508bf ]Lemond[/url]
A guy at work has a pristine Raleigh Winner that he might part with for £350
Raleigh Winner ? isnt that a cheapy made of hi ten steel and budget components?
my colleague had a 90's ridgeback with friction shifters , shimano groupy . he stuck it on ebay and Ridgeback contacted him and swapped it for a brand new ridgeback hybrid. rrp £749.
With the greatest respect to steel and its devotees; can any steel bike be as stiff torsionally yet compliant vertically as a modern carbon bike like a Roubaix? I doubt it.
I know this is an extreme example but my brother and I once borrowed an old skool skinny steel tandem by a well-known maker and it was terrifying; it felt as if the two of us were sitting at opposite ends of a farm gate.
Great budget road bikes are available from Decathlon. Triban 5 has alloy and carbon and could be upgraded into a really nice ride.
True about budget bikes like the Tribans some of us just like the look of steel and how they feel .I have been thinking about a Triban 5 as its a bargain I know its loads lighter than my 90s Raleigh 531 with 8 speed Campag but I still like the old steel .I suppose its no different to still liking mk2 Golf GTIS compared with modern hot hatches
[url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/salsa-campeon-scandium-road-bike-dura-ace-ritchey-wcs-1 ]Link[/url]
Perhaps mid 00's but look's lovely, I've been tempted.
What 'Edric 64' said, although saying that my roadbike is a late 90's Concorde frame made from Easton elite alu,which is so much smoother compared to my Giant Bowery which is also alu and about 10/12years newer.
A old gas pipe steel frame like the cheaper Raleighs are not going to have a great feel to them compared to a higher end 831 or Columbus framed bike.
I still like skinny tubes for a road bike from a aesthetic but there are a lot of modern bike builders doing some great stuff for a price£.
Like 'Field'
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CTC Whole bike classifieds. They come up all the time.
Forget the classic Italian stuff; go for old-fashioned British. Harry Hall, Roberts, Mercian... Much better value. Since you are looking vintage, 531c is fine but for a bigger rider 653 and above are worth looking for.
+1 for Roberts, had one many years back.....awesome bike. You could also look for Fuquay. His steel road bikes were really nice. He built a TT bike for me....gorgeous. Wonder where it is now! Harry Hall were pretty good too, in a workmanlike, no nonsense sort of way.
High end, mint, £350.
Does not compute.
If I wanted an old high end steel framed road bike, i'd have to build it around a Colnago Master. £350 might get you half a frame for one of those...
[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Harry-Hall-racing-road-bike-shimano-105-/261235333896?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item3cd2d6db08 ]Harry Hall[/url]
[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graham-Weigh-Road-Champion-14spd-60cm-Reynolds-531-Steel-Full-Shimano-105-Group-/161051125000?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item257f652508 ]Graham Weigh[/url]
[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joe-Waugh-Columbus-Tubing-Bicycle-with-Shimano-105-24-5-Large-Frame-/321149682337?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item4ac60342a1 ]Joe Waugh[/url]
Also consider: Dave Yates, Dave Lloyd.
Personally... for real use I'd want STI type shifters rather than downtube... but for £350 something will probably have to give.
[i]there are a lot of modern bike builders doing some great stuff for a price£[/i]
Or not for much of a price£, like Genesis:
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Wwhathaveisaidnow - whathaveyoudonenow posting that link. Mmmmmmm, some truly lovely frames there.
Can't beat the look of a proper traditional steel frame IMHO.
Plenty of good advice above about what to look for but that budget is on the low side for a good 'un.
Cheers
Danny B
i'd love one of these:
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it's a new bike (it's a specialized allez steel), they're cheap, but you can't buy them in this country...
That Genesis would look better with a traditional paint job and without the hipster white embellishments !
On one did a trad steel look frame called the Lincolnshire poacher you might find one of those
We'll have to disagree about the Genesis paint job, I think it looks cracking.
Using Ebay search filters it's not that hard to find stuff
eg. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-premiere-vintage-racer-/300924079314?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item4610790cd2
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I'd scuttle across to Retrobike instead of Fleabay. There's all sorts of nice stuff popping up there.....
Its crap tubing though carbolite is gas pipe the op wants high end steel
It the way the panels re done for the lettering Im not keen on on the Genesis.Move it to the seat tube and move genesis down the down tube and add a bit of coachlining for a 50s look !
I bought this of here for £110 as a cheep commuter
http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/my-dads-claud-butler-shortly-to-be-for-sale
Added chromoplastics, modern tyres and brake pads, some stiffer wheels and new cables and it's great 🙂
For you'r height and budget, get a low end cannondale off ebay, 56cm, CAAD4-CAAD8, it'll probably be 9speed though. Unless you want to use it as a commuter in winter in whcih case get something with mudguard clearance.
Did you notice the "eg."?
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I'm just saying, that this [i]Typing road bike into ebay just brings up too many hits for a newbie.[/i] isn't strictly true.
Rather like that genesis.
I still have my old 531 pug frame road bike from the late 80's. Mostly sits on the turbo now. Thought it'd be nice to do it up and ride it a bit but compared to today's bikes it just feels slow and heavy. Some decent wheels and a better group would probably improve things considerably.
I'm sure there are some lovely classics out there that ride brilliantly, but I'd doubt you'd get one for that budget. So as has been said, for that price a modern budget bike would probably be a better ride than an old bike.
I have found narrowing by tubing ,ie 531 etc works quite well ,or Reynolds,Columbus ,True temper can bring up good results and less gash stuff ,501 will pop up though so its not perfect!
I picked this up for £400 a while back, Columbus SLX tubing, diamante chainstays, mint condition Campy Chorus... Was a proper bargain and is a very sweet bike to ride, fits me perfectly 😀
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The weight thing Is mainly down to lighter modern kit ,unles you go really high end with carbon the steel frame will be a pound or 2 heavier at worst .Its fairly easy to get even 531 sub 20 pound with good kit on .Which is significantly lighter than mine is currently
That DeRosa is nice ,its the old school paint jobs that I really like.
I picked this up for £400 a while back, Columbus SLX tubing, diamante chainstays, mint condition Campy Chorus... Was a proper bargain and is a very sweet bike to ride, fits me perfectly
I know- I remember your first post on the bike. I was very envious. This sort of thing would be heaven.
The weight thing Is mainly down to lighter modern kit ,unles you go really high end with carbon the steel frame will be a pound or 2 heavier at worst .Its fairly easy to get even 531 sub 20 pound with good kit on .Which is significantly lighter than mine is currently
Yup reckon this is true, though it can get expensive quickly and there may be limits. I found most of the weight to be in the components on mine (BB and cranks for example will likely weigh a tonne if they are original.) Then there's the wheels. Then there are things like seat post (which might be some weird old standard diameter and really limit choice of lighter replacement) and saddle. Then there's quill stem and bars.
I did work out that I could get my old 531 well under 20 lbs, though it would have cost me a few hundred quid to do so (wheelset, chainset and BB, etc.)
Oh and depending on the frame you may need to spread it to take a modern rear wheel. Not really a problem but you may need to do some hanger bending to get indexing on the shifting working properly.
Retro road bikes are lovely, but they don't ride then same as modern plastic/alloy frames. I ended up selling my Graham Weigh Columbus SLX as it was rather flexi. Beautiful though.
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That Coppi that DezB linked to 8) Shimano RSX100?
One thought... having recently rolled my 1997 Lemond out of storage in the first few weeks of riding it I've had to replace all the spokes in the rear wheel. The tyres were replaced a few years ago when a friend borrowed it so they were good but the tubes were shot. Chain and drivetrain were fine and the cables only needed a lube. There was a problem with one of the shifters but a lube and fiddle sorted it... but I know the history of this bike and its been looked after through storage... secondhand bikes may not have had such an easy life and could require more cash thrown at them.
RSX is what you would expect with Columbus Thron it was a cheaper tubeset
Hora,
I picked up an old steel Harry Hall a couple of years ago for peanuts.
Columbus SLX tubing with chromed fork and seat/chainstays.
Mavic rims, Duraace hubs, mixture of Duraace & 600 with some later 105 bits.
£80 will spent! 😀
Ecky-Thump quit willy-waving 😀
The weight thing Is mainly down to lighter modern kit ,unles you go really high end with carbon the steel frame will be a pound or 2 heavier at worst
Yup, my 531c frame and fork weigh about 2lbs more than my carbon Wilier.You could still build it into a light bike if you wanted to.
Always keeping any eye out on here
[url= http://www.pedalpedlar.co.uk/collections/bikes-for-sale ]www.pedalpedlar.co.uk[/url]
[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/pashley-Vending-Tricycle-/221245321108?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item33833faf94 ]and enjoy ice cold snacks too[/url]
Hora is this any good 60cm c to top or is it a bit big looks nice right price?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bellabici/sets/72157633994443658/
Im 6ft2. It looks a good resto project
Edric 64 is that yours? The forks look like they've been walloped.
Here's one.........
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cost me £400
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Oldgit I thought that but the listing reckons not
Surprised no one has mentioned www.hilarystone.com yet! Personally I think a lot of it is over priced but I'm not up on old roadie history and I'm sure there is some negotiation room there.
GIOS I have one of these its a lovely ride
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Here are ours, a steel 80's 12 vitteses Peugeot, and a ti GT 🙂
Some more steel porn sites;
http://www.ebay.it/sch/Bici-da-corsa-/7297/i.html
http://www.hilarystone.com/frameset.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/18bikes/8658230245/
http://road.cc/content/news/77852-icebike-2013-volare-range-and-new-853-equilibrium-video
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I have two older steel bikes. A 653 Dave Yates from 1995 and a another Yates from 1998. The 653 is a little flexy but lovely to ride (hand built wheels Record 10spd groupset). The 853 is a fair bit stiffer, much nearer to the ride of my Carbon bikes.
Some cool retro bikes out there. I love mine and they are staying with me!
Far from top end but could be a cheap way to test the roady waters for somebody (possibly too small for the OP).
[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-Road-Racing-Bike-553-Renolds-Tubing-Richard-Virenque-/181164769410?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item2a2e430082 ]Peugeot Virenque[/url]
15 years ago (when I was a lad etc) I went out with the local roadies/triathletes on an ancient borrowed race bike. It was a 1970's thing with light wheels and kit but it looked like a POS with a red Hammerited frame and downtube shifter etc. I managed to stay with the fast group for all the long climbs but on the flats I was woefully undergeared and had to wait for the next climb to catch up. At the end of the ride it was commented that I needed a "decent bike". I bought my 853 Lemond the following week and stayed with the group on the next ride.
Some of the older stuff available is lovely as museum pieces but as with mountain bikes there is an age beyond which bikes become a bit less usable (IMHO etc).
[b]tinribs[/b] that Ritchey *swoon*
eviljoe - that Ti GT is sex on wheels!!! I love it. 😀
A friend rescued a near mint one of these from a council tip recently, lucky sod 🙂
Peugeot UO8
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eviljoe - that Ti GT is sex on wheels!!! I love it.
My Mrs had one of those Ti GT's and a matching MTB too, they were 'skip finds' from a mate of mine who used to work at GT in California 10 years ago or so, chucked because they didn't have frame numbers on them!
Sold for a pittance a few years back as it was always a touch big but god I wish we'd kept them!
😯 Skip find!!!???
My best skip find was a complete kids apollo bmx for the bairns!... Probably weighs more than the complete GT! 😀
If you dont mind stretching your budget(£499) for a new bike take a look at the 'Scout' from Bobbin bikes.
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Keeppedalling on Hilton St in the Northern quarter have one in(not your size though) if you want to see one in the metal.
@sas78 Yes it is rather nice... though you do rather feel the odd seatpost angle on the climbs.
@Blazingsaddles - I didn't buy yours did I? Would have been about 2010 I bough it on here
Steel is fine for decades my oldest is a 1947 Hobbs Of Barbican bought from Hillary Stone for about 90 quid
I have a late 70's LeJeune and my wife has a Serth Ifrikan Zini from the early 90s, both nice steel frames with original or period parts, both cost less than £300 to buy.
I just love using down tube shifters, takes me back to being a teenager on my Dave Marsh, bombing around Barnsley...
Meh...
I can't get my head around the love for old/retro steel frames. It's nice that people like them, but when I started riding, that's all there was. I had a number, both stock and custom, and they really weren't all that good.
I moved on to aluminium frames and never looked back, then carbon came along and things were even better.
I gave my last one away, a 753 custom job...
eviljoe, No I don't think so. ours was quite small and sold around 2008 I think.
I've had fancy Ali, it and carbon frames, silly lightweight bits and bobs on 15 lb bikes. I don't race, I can't justify having that sort of money tied up in a road bike that I only use when it's sunny and I fancy a spin, or on the turbo in the winter.
Plus I just like old stuff. Guess that's why I also own an early Klein, and have had 70s and 80s cars and vans more than modern stuff.
Each to his own though. If you didn't buy the modern stuff, the future retro geek wouldn't have anything to scour eBay for in 10 years time!x
It just takes a little time to find the bargains Somtimes
I've got a nos vitus alloy frame from the early 80s
It's very light and nothing remotely to do with crc lol
Just need to save a little more for some retro campy
So far I've got frame/ fork nos £50
Mavic screw on hubs and campy strada rims used but useable £23
Modolo bars £6