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Let's get all excited and list which shop, what fork being specced and any special bits of interest and also where it's first 'proper' ride is going to be!
I'll kick off:
JE James
Lyric U-turn 160-115 1.5 steerer
All my groupset from my old 575 including Hope Pro2, Stan's Crest rims, Syncros Point'n'Chute 2.5 tyres, New X-7 2x10 drivetrain with SLX 22/36.
First proper ride probably back side of Jacob's Ladder in Edale.
Is there any anticipated delivery date on these frames as yet ?, read somewhere about loads of delays ?
Importers are promising first week of June, I'll be badgering them for a DEFINITE shipping to store date.
Waiting until they get a bit closer but pretty much decided on one now tbh. Also got most of the kit, planning on-
Silver mega in medium
Fox 36 vans
CCDB
Hope tech v2's
Hope sp pro 2's running flow rims.
Will hopefully be ordered from I-cycles in the not to distant future 😀
I'd be interested to hear what they all weigh when you've got them built up.
I thinking what to replace my 2005 enduro with in a year or so, and these look pretty good for the money, but I want it a bit lighter.
I think claimed frame weight is about the same as my 575. I got that down to just over 26lb with some Conti Supersonics (awful tyres!). I put the Syncros tyres back on, adding 1.5 lbs in the process and some other heavier duty bars, stem etc. I'm thinking around 29-30lb with Lyrik. If it's slightly heavier I don't mind.
I ordered one untill i got fed up of waiting, Mid June or something like that now, hell 2012 bikes will be out shortly after that, i canceled mine 5 weeks ago.
I'm sorely tempted, but off to the alps in august and have nasty feeling it would not be here in time.
I was going to order a 2011 Ragley last week, dispite reassurances this would be the last of the numerous delays, found out they have been further delayed until June... is there a link between Rags and NP here ???. Regretably had to spend my £400 notes elsewhere.
Anyway dont want to put this thread on a downer as I love the Rag / NP brands, and hope for all concerned that they turn up sharpish and will surely be worth the wait. Hate to think though how much business has been lost through these delays, I know of 2 others who have purchased other brands as they cant stomach the number of failed promises and the fact they cant wait until half way through the season for their new steeds.
I'm very interested in one, however won't order till they are finally available. Too bad it has been delayed so long.
Also still undecided on the size.
I was going to order a 2011 Ragley last week, dispite reassurances this would be the last of the numerous delays, found out they have been further delayed until June... is there a link between Rags and NP here ???
Different factory, and different team handling each project. Entirely unrelated in that way.
The longer they are in coming the less the temptation for me...
Nice article on Pagey's prototype in the new Dirt mag. Looks good but I'm a bit worried about that seat angle - my old MC Battery was similar - climbed fine despite its really hefty weight but felt as though I was falling over the front 😕 .
That said . . . raw frame with white forks and red/white kit . . . mmmmmm 😛
I canceled my Rag frame back end of Feb after all the delays, then i thought i quit liked the NP Mega frame, but quickly turned against that one when that was too delayed, from now ill be staying away from anything to do with the Rag/NP link.
Was told the Ragley May arrival was definatly going to be it for the troof frames and the Bluepigs would be here after that, Looked on Hotlines website a few days ago and noticed the troof frames wont be here till June now, but the pigs will be here mid May!!! total ballsup if you ask me IMHO.
Should do what all successfull companies do and introduce there bikes early, its alright saying our 2011 bikes will be available in 2011 "how novel is that" fair do's but now look what has happened, when your 2011 models come out other companies will be launching there 2012 bikes! 😆
Well, I still have my 2007 575 which I will ride up until then, I have Hotlines on the, er, 'hotline', if they put delivery back any further they risk all the dealers cancelling their pre-orders. They have been accepting dealer orders from the first batch so I'm pretty confident they'll arrive in time, Hotlines do not want a load of very pi55ed off bike shops as they have too much at stake!
Why you all so excited about ordering frames you've never ridden? 😕
or have you?
Yeh, I don't get it either.
same reason people will post "OMGZ! this r teh bezt frame EVAR!" after one ride around the car park when it does arrive
Freecaster working for you?
No. me, neither 🙁
yup, its gone tits
GW - MemberWhy you all so excited about ordering frames you've never ridden?
You try getting a test ride on a small frame, regardless of manufacturer . . . yeh, I know the Nukeproofs are not available yet.
Hey, ordering is always exciting 😛
I mainly ride smalls. test rode a small before buying all mine. bigger problem is finding a small sprung for a 14st guy.
RagTi - MemberAnyway dont want to put this thread on a downer as I love the Rag / NP brands, and hope for all concerned that they turn up sharpish and will surely be worth the wait. Hate to think though how much business has been lost through these delays,
Probably far less than has been gained through internet hysteria, don't worry about it.
'I don't mean to be negative but...' Classic thread hijack!
All these negative waves man!
I Know what you mean...but a lot of the above has some relevence. Pre-ordering is fine if you have a date to work to, but these frames have been delayed more than the 6:52 to kings Cross!
All the bollox about not trying a bike before is....bollox, understndably we all dont want to take the no brain option (Orange 5) and have to take the risk on purchading something a little more left wing which understandably has far less opportunity for "demo".
These are frames only, and for 1k!, is worth the risk, anyway it is pretty much more the choice of finishing kit that determines the ride so tbh no risk at all.
or (alternatively) wait until they're out, try one, then decide whether to order or not - zero risk unless you absolutely have to have a frame by an unspecified date
Good idea, Ill drive 80 miles and test a bike too small for me ?. Last week my mate couldnt even find a 20" Orange 5 to demo, found a couple to sit on but thats about it.
I have never demod a bike in 20 years, expert reviews and simple geometry is all I ever needed
what mamaD said, so if anyone does ever get their hands on a small mega and fancies loaning it out for test rides.. 😉
RagTi... couldnt agree more. if all the frame figures and measurements add up then why do you HAVE to try a demo bike!? What the hell is a ride around a carpark going to tell you?
If the figures are what you are looking for the final odd tweek can de done with stems/bars/seatpost and so on.
If companies dont offer a test ride does that mean no one buys them?
Although i dont think anyone will be buying any Ragley or nukeproof frame the way they are carrying on as they will NEVER arrive so it doesnt really matter.
Be interesting to see a 7.5lb frame turned into a sub 30lb bike...
Well I've seen Mojo HD builds that claim to be under 28 lbs, and the Mega frame is a shade over a pound heavier, so would expect to see 30 lbs builds.
Many 'Claim'
RHSno2 - MemberBe interesting to see a 7.5lb frame turned into a sub 30lb bike...
Not that hard tbh, not sure why you'd think it is? My Hemlock frame's a little lighter but it's got coil lyriks in and I can still build it under 30lbs without anything too exotic. So a less lardy fork and you're sorted.
(disclaimer- as weighed on a cheapo fishing scale)
it wouldn't even be that difficult to build a DH bike under 30lb these days if you really wanted to but any full sus bike under 30lb just wouldn't last me, my hardtails heavier than that (4.5lb frame with as light a build as practical).
[i]it wouldn't even be that difficult to build a DH bike under 30lb these days[/i]
Lay out the facts on paper then.
and anyone's 7.5lb framed bike too.
I know how much my bike weighs and its a light (in class) 160mm frame.
I totaly agree, building one of these up sub 30lb would be a huge ask, my old Ragley TI hardtail had some expensive kit on it, and it was a realistic 26lb. My current blinged to the max! Ellsworth epithany comes in at a dead 27.8lb with a full on XC finishing kit, wheras my mates stunning AM upgraded Cube Fritz is a perfect 33.5lb
Spend 4k and you might ? get somewhere near, but anyway, who the hell in their right mind would buy an all out AM frame and then dress it in silk ??? :?:. AM bikes surely warrant AM kit, and that normaly comes with a few value added pounds
My 575 was built up with 'gossamer' kit and weighed a shade over 26lb. I got worried about breakages so added some stronger and heavier components. Still just under 29lbs. I run Stan's Crests tubeless with 2.5 tyres, Revelations, SLX cranks, nothing really weight weenie.
On the Mega arrival front, I have assurances that the delivery dates are firm and I'll be throwing my leg over a 'test' bike a week on Friday. My camera will be working hard, I'll post still and moving pics when I get them!
Hi Deveron
My mate is still deliberating over a Mega, regretably he was told the April(?) delivery dates were "rock solid", never mind firm. Also the demo bikes have been around for months now. For your sake I really hope they turn up in June.
ps: who have you ordered it from and who is telling you the lastest date is a firm one , CRC ?, just so I can let him know.
RHSno2 - MemberLay out the facts on paper then.
and anyone's 7.5lb framed bike too.
OK, this is 30.1 lbs. Cotic Hemlock (somewhere between 6.5 and 7lbs with the latest rear end), coil u-turn Lyriks, easton carbon dh bars, pro FRS stem, XTR cranks, double chainrings with a E13 bashring and Blackspire Stinger, X9 shifters and rear mech (medium), SLX double front shifter, SLX cassette, cheap chain, Formula Oro brakes (203mm front, 160mm rear) Roval Traversee wheels, Kenda Nevegal 2.35 front tyre, Nobby Nic 2.25 Evo rear, Charge Knife saddle, and the clincher- gravity dropper seatpost.
So fit a standard seatpost or a 150mm Revelation or even a Float 36 and you're sub 30lbs with weight to spare. No unobtanium, plenty of places you could lose weight in there. Strong like ox. The wheels are as light as you're likely to put on a Mega but a couple of hundred more grams gets you Crossmax SX or similiar.
Next?
Surprised at all the weight weenie comments above.
Don't think the mega has ever claimed to be superlight, and not really a frame for a weight weenie build. I'm sure like any frame it'll be built in many guises, some better than others, bit its never going to compete with the carbon super bikes. Then again, it doesn't cost as much either.
I'm more interested in how it rides, and based on the published geometry and suspension linkage, I suspect it'll ride very nicely ( This of course only relates to me, my style of riding and what I want from the bike)
Then again, I could well be completely wrong, but nothing ventured nothing gained.
RagTi, I've been on to Hotlines the 'importer'(part of CRC empire!) and spoken to 3 different people there. They all say the same date. I spoke to them today and they are assuring me that they're on the boat!. My Frame is on order via JE James (one of my many lbses!). Every store with pre-orders will get the stock all on the same day. I would imagine CRC will get them out to customers marginally quicker. No-one is discounting the prices so I ordered locally.
I've worked out (with use of 2 very short train journeys) that I can make Cut Gate (in a Southerly direction) my ride home from work, adding in 'The Beast' and other rocky stuff as it takes my fancy. That Mega will get a good testing!
I am no weight weenie but just fed up with manufacturers AND consumers living in a 30lb land of lies.
Having 4-5 150mm frames in the last few years I am just amazed people claim these weights (and pedals are part of a build, you can't ride a bike without pedals). Having seen two certain Cannondale pro's weigh their XTR kitted, XC wheeled, carbonised full builds to come out to be a smidgen over 30lb I just think you are deluding yourselves.
Am going off to weigh my bike now actually 🙂
So my 2011 s-works Carbon enduro with:
Fox 36 rc2, Command post, XT cranks, LG1, X9, Renthal stem, V1 bars, wtb ti saddle, crossmax sx wheels, tubeless WTB bronson/wolverine and Shimano Pedals weighs 30.4 lbs
Thats with a 5.1lb frame and shock and all my savings. Intrigued to see how other heavier bikes get nr 30lbs. You see my point?
Did you use particularly heavy grease on that build...? 🙂 A mate has the non carbon enduro and his build I think comes out at just under 31 lbs. Get the impression that most people must weigh their bikes on some seriously dodgy scales (including my mate).
Right, so what scales do I need to get to accurately weigh my 150mm bike? Seriously. 😳
I don't think it matters what scales you use provided they've been properly calibrated. My mate used a Park DS-1 at our LBS.
To echo the above comments, I kinda fancy a Mega to replace my Blur 4X but the 4X is such a good bike, I think I'll be waiting a bit to see what people think / read some reviews before I launch in and spend 'only a grand' on a brand new, unproven frame.
As for taking the no brainer approach and getting a Five (or Alpine to give a better comparison to the Mega), theres a reason. Look at the reviews. All excellent. I'd rather take the no brainer approach and get a proven, reliable frame with pedigree than something fresh off the boat thats had nothing but testing and some very good marketing by the CRC/Hotlines empire (which as a result has obviously gotten a few STWers creaming their pants).
Happy to be persuaded otherwise though... otherwise its a Maxle'd Five for me this autumn probably.
If you're selling the 4X then let me know 😉
If I do, it won't be until the back end of the summer so keep and eye on the classifieds / eBay!
[i]Did you use particularly heavy grease on that build...? A mate has the non carbon enduro and his build I think comes out at just under 31 lbs. Get the impression that most people must weigh their bikes on some seriously dodgy scales (including my mate) [/i]
Probably. Its a live in Alps build (Coil forks, dh bars, heavy pedals but everything else is not heavy). Bathroom digital scales but have weighed other bikes on 'real' scales in shop and same weight (but secretly hoping they are wrong as it would make me lighter!)
RHS someone else has already built a TREK session with boxxers to under 30
my lightest full sus is 37lb ( 4.5" travel 8.5lb coil sprung frame with pikes & light but proper DH build) goes up..well..as well as any 37lb bike with a single 36T and DH geometry. not what it's for tho, eh?
just for example, the chain device on the session weighed half what yours does
'can' and 'normal people can' are different 😉
I've no idea how "abnormal" you are RHS but if I really wanted to I'm sure I could manage removing all the durable DH parts and bolting silly lightweight parts onto my 40lb DH bike to bring it down to 10lb lighter.. I'd consider myself fairly "normal" and I can (not that I would)! 😉
none of the parts you listed on your cannondale are anywhere near the lightest in their class, it'd be easy to knock 5lb off your build, and no.. I don't really see your point
FWIW your cannondale is almost exactly the same weight as my hardtail, a 4.5lb dirtjump frame which was built for strength and durability. if lightweight was your goal with your build you failed miserably.
My point is the Mega build is NOT going to be lightweight or anywhere nr lightweight. So you saying, 'Yeah...someone somewhere made a bike under 30lbs but I don't know any details' is kinda lame.
Tell me where I can shave 2250 (5lbs) grams off my heavyweight build (that I coincendently race in such races as Mega/Enduro Series) and then tell me (and the other Mega builders) how much that will cost please. Then you'll see my point of 'realistic weight'.
minus 98g for the amazingly lightweight Chain Device gives you approx 2150g to go 😉
I actually know all the details of the TREK build I mentioned, but CBA either showing you a link to it or mentioning any more than one example to show how your mega bike is not even vaguely a weight concious build. I'd imagine searching google would find it if you really wanted to (but from the list of mediocre parts you use I'm guessing you wouldn't put that much commitment into your own build anyway) but if I'm wrong, do your own research, I'd bet every part you have could be switched to a lighter alternative or modified in some way to save weight.
cost shouldn't even come into it if you want perfection. Vouilloz ran custom a priceless shimano crankset for his first forays into mega racing. just because ?YOu can't afford something doesn't make it unrealistic
I would think a sub 30lb build would be easy enough, whilst keeping the strenght and durability to do enduros. My nicolai 'only' weighs 33lbs with nothing particulally light on it. So yeah sub 30lb would be easy
My Transition Covert (7.2lb frame including RP23) weighs 32lbs on a Park Tools scale.
Nothing light but nothing heavy either - Fox 36 RLC FIT, Pro2s, Mavic 521s, XT, SLX - etc etc
I have just finished building my 180mm travel 31 lb bike....alu frame as well and still about 2 pounds to shave off..
My Blur 4X weighs idontgiveashit lbs and it rides brilliantly.
That Trek is quite impressive - surely there are lighter DH frames out there too???
Gw. Keep up. I have a mediocre specialized.
Nasher is incredible. Nicolai etc but you are all just saying stuff. No proof.
Not sure when a custom valved fox 36 rc2 became mediocre though.
Anyhow, my 30ish lb bike climbed 800m very nicely tonight and i know that you are all full of shit 🙂
RHSno2 - MemberAnyhow, my 30ish lb bike climbed 800m very nicely tonight and i know that you are all full of shit
Ah. I was going to try and reason with you til you posted that. Instead, you can **** off. Call us liars to our faces some time eh. I gave you facts, full build and weight, you just give us insults.
The only thing lamer than this bitch-fight is the 16 pages of pointless slagging of that 29lb Trek.
All the weight weenie talk must be getting to me, now aiming for a similar weight as DaveyBoyWonder 😉
Since when has weight been the definitive indication of a good bike? That session may be less than 30lbs, doesn't make it a great all mountain bike does it.
Gee's commencal was one of the heaviest bikes on the dh world cup circuit last year and it didn't seem to hold him back at all. I'm sure with the kit and sponsership he has at his disposal he could easily have lightened the bike more if he had felt the need, and he's racing world cups at the top level.
Then again, maybe he needs some stw advice eh?
thv3 - MemberSince when has weight been the definitive indication of a good bike?
Who ever said it is? 😕
But, some people like light bikes and find them better to ride, so for those people if they can get the same results from a lighter package, that'll be better than the same results from a heavier one. I built up my Mmmbop with my Lyriks, 721s, and dualply highrollers and it felt like a big lumbering sack of s**t for instance, but with its regular kit it's a blast. (it might actually have been faster with the heavy kit, but it wasn't any fun for me).
But anyone who thinks light bikes are definitively better is probably an idiot. It's all part of a package.
Calm down dear.
My point IS that you CAN get a 7.5lb frame beneath 30lb but it would be a top end build with some durability compromises. So, people saying 'its around 30lb' is just wrong.
Everyone else has just gone off on some standard stw tangent. The trek has no relation to 99% of peoples needs/wants and is a case of making something light just because.
I forgot how touchy you people get. 'would you throw insults to our face?' have you been on an internet forum before?
P.s you didn't mention pedals in your build.
In the DH scene there was a time when everyone was trying to be a weight weenie. General conclusion was, that there was a point by which light was too light, as the handling of the bike went out the window.
Now 35-40lb seems to be the magic weight.
RHSno2 - MemberP.s you didn't mention pedals in your build.
Yup, forgot to mention those, it has HT Components Nanos on it- could easily go lighter but these are cheap.
"My point IS that you CAN get a 7.5lb frame beneath 30lb but it would be a top end build with some durability compromises."
And what [i]I've[/i] shown is that this is rubbish. Not that this was ever actually your point, it's just a rather pathetic backpedal- earlier on we were "deluding ourselves" or "full of shit".
Well thats just shows how diffrent people are that all do the same thing ( ride bikes )
I once used a orange 5 in Morzine for 2 days and whjat a complete pile of shite compared to my Cube Fritzz!!! also a lad i ride with got shut of his 2009 5 and he says it was the best thing he did ( get rid ) he now loves his new ride, then on the other hand people will probably tell me the 5 is the best bike in the world. Why do people believe what they read in mags, if orange spend £250,000 a year on advertising in mags and othert companies spend £5,000 who do you REALLY believe is going to get the best reviews!? its not rocket science.
i worked in the outdoor trade and dealt with companies such as berghaus and northface and loads of less well known brands, and we had more problems and more returns due to leaking and shite stitching with the so called big boys ( berghaus / northface ) compared with the likes of Montane / Mountain Equipment / Rab and so on. But what did 90% of people come into buy because its the best equipment money can buy says the likes of Trail magazine....... NOT. Who actauly get 74% of there advertising money from the likes of berghaus and northface. get a grip people.
Well done Northwind.
I am no weight weenie but just fed up with manufacturers AND consumers living in a 30lb land of lies.
I weigh my bikes with scales. That's how I come up with the figures 🙂
As for 5 being bad bikes - I really like mine. It did take me a while to get it sorted though. I suspect that some people expect a bike to be perfect out of the box, whereas for me it's simply a frame which requires careful building into a bike. If say it dives too much at the front and throws you off then it's unlikely to be the fault of the frame, is it? Things like stem, bar position, forks, fork setup and so on are all crucial and very personal. I like the 5 frame because it's stiff and the geometry suits the riding for which I use it. Oh and it weighs 27.5lbs 🙂
I have no idea if it's the best bike in the world, I've only ridden half a dozen comparable bikes. Some of which were also good 🙂
I didn't read the reviews before I bought my bike btw.
[i]Oh and it weighs 27.5lbs[/i]
Good for you. Five is a great bike. Lotta good bikes out there. I reckon a Mega will be too.
Pagey's "tough build" Mega at 30.04lb
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Helium in the tyres? 😉
Pedals? Calibrated scale? Men in black weird alien face! 🙂
That bike with the crappy orange Chinese parts and dull Monarch shock wouldn't last 5 minutes around here. Isn't the Mega just some fire roads and sheep trails anyway?
Hey walleater, that is one of the 'trolliest' posts I've ever seen! You are a troll, it's official, go and look up the definition in a dictionary if you're unsure.
You remind me of the man from Monty Python's 'argument' sketch.
I thought this thread had died ages ago, apparently only 2 of us have got one on preorder, the rest of the world seems to be in some sort of weight weenie handbag fight!
I'm still buying one, no-one's put me off! I rode Cutgate with my 575 on Friday. Now it's in the cellar getting ready for ebay...