Grumpy Mountain Bike Man YouTuber dog attack

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Not sure if this'll work but shit the bed he should send that video to the police. I dont think I'd have been as calm as he is. Not saying I'd have been fighting or kicking dogs, but i'd certainly habe been shouting a bit more!

Wow that was lightening quick Tom, it's YouTuber Grumpy Mountain Bike Man, that's his channel name. Sorry thought that was clear, my bad.

That was much worse than I was expecting from the description.

I've been attacked by a dog that ran out of farm & bit my calf about 50/60 miles into a 114 mile sportive. Not a fun experience. Damaged my clothing too.

How he didn't lose his shit I don't know.

Mental

Wait until they are both grown up.

Blimey, that's someone who shouldn't be allowed to own dogs, let alone have them off the lead in a public place. Horrendous.

To be fair, maybe they don’t like e-bikers?

There was talk of adding that breed to the banned list, they are basically attack dogs that need heaps of training and exercise. They must've seen John wick 3 and thought I'll get two of those just like Halle Berry. Vital martial arts.co.uk need vital dog training.

Website is down.

Frightening.

I have to say, I don't think I would have had as much physical restraint when the dog actually bit him.

How did he stay so calm! That one needs police involvement.

His description on youtube is worth a read. Not the expected sensationalist bollcks you usually get from youtubers.

He definitely needs to take that to the police. Shouldn't be too difficult to trace the owners. Scary scenes.

Those poor dogs are likely to be destroyed because the owners are irresponsible ****s.

As someone who has been bitten on bike rides, out walking and once skiing (that time I had to go to a French health centre), I'm quite scared of dogs.
Please understand that there are people like me out there if you are a dog owner.

Once a dog put its head through the frame of my mtbike and bit the bottom of my shorts. The dog was on an extendable lead and the owner did and said nothing, I was stunned. The bike was held between myself and dog as protection. A horrible experience for that mtbiker in the video.

Wow. Watching it in slo-mo a few of those dogs don't even have collars, which is a legal requirement. Also explains why they couldn't get them under control. Defo report that to the police, there's a few things there for them to discuss with the owners. I'd argue that that incident is a perfect example of 'dangerously out of control'.

Mali's/Belgian Shepherds shouldn't be owned by people who have no ****ing idea what they're doing.

There was talk of adding that breed to the banned list

What breed is it?

I've got to say, having been in a similar situation when a collie/sheepdog leapt a low wall, knocked me over and started to bite me, I was so shocked that I reacted in more or less the same way as the you-tuber, It's only later that I was really angry about what had happened.

Those poor dogs are likely to be destroyed because the owners are irresponsible ****.

A better option would be removal and pass them onto the Police or Military to see if they can be trained. Funny thing is there's never stories of retired working dogs attacking people, usually because their owners know how to handle them and they're very well trained.

I don't think civilians should be allowed to own these breeds until they can show the required level of competence. But then, you could easily make that argument for all breeds. 😂

Oof, that's horrible.
Hope he's OK. 🙁

What breed is it?

Looks to be a Belgian Malinois/Shepherd.

Its hard not to think about what would have happened if that had been a young kid on a bike.

Its hard not to think about what would have happened if that had been a young kid on a bike.

Another tragic headline no doubt.

Reckon it was this fella? www.facebook.com/vitalmartialarts

Top hit when you Google the mobile number.

Sensei Walter and Sensei Tracey will be hopefully getting a visit from plod. If this was a young kid on a bike the outcome could have been disastrous.

@sharkattack I was just doing the same! I genuinely do hope that fella has reported this to the police.

Yeah, they're Malinois, there's a few articles about them being the next on the list.
Sensei Walter and Sensei Tracey definitely need a visit from the police, these guys teach little kids martial arts, hope they leave the dogs at home when they do.

Typical dog owner, causes chaos because they havent trained their dog then just walks off after the incident with no comeback.

then says that all bikers are bad and its their fault because their dogs dont like bikes.

They clearly new something was wrong as they were shouting for him to stop before the dogs even appeared.

The thing that scare me most about that video was the fear in her voice right at the beginning when she said "please stop, please stop" to the rider (or perhaps the dogs). She knew full well what was going to happen, she was aware of the risk but still chose to walk her dogs off the lead.

These are the sort of people who are responsible for livestock attacks. They know the risk but don't care.

My dog got attacked a while ago, the other dogs owners said "we usually try to walk him away from where there are other dogs." Well, not that day, they chose to walk in a busy area and take the risk. Not on.

This needs to go to the police ASAP.

I expect the site is down due to the amount of abuse they’ll no doubt be getting through the contact us page.

Its hard not to think about what would have happened if that had been a young kid on a bike.

That's the reason I lost my shit with the dog owner who's dog attacked me a few months ago. Well-used woods with dedicated/waymarked walking paths and MTB trails (Kilbean Woods in Falkirk) with adjoining housing developments. Plenty of kids use the area including my own young kids, but thankfully not at 7am when it happened.

This one needs referred to the police 100%.

What breed is it?

Belgian Malinois.
They're amazing dogs IF done right, they're very intelligent.

There's a guy on the Peak District MTB Forum page who has one, he uses it for bikejoring (where the dog tows the bike using a special harness). He posts his videos pretty regularly but he has also said that the dog has taken thousands of hours of training.

What breed is it?

Belgian Malinois? Similar to German Sheppard's / Alsatians at a casual glance, but taller/skinnier/pointier. They haven't been 'domesticated' as pets like GSD's so are very much working line attack dogs. The best description I've heard of them is "they need working, if you're not making decisions for them and telling them what to do 24/7 then they start making their own decisions and they're rarely good ones". A lot of owners take them to attack classes in the same way spaniel owners take them to "gundog training".

They do produce very cute puppies though 🤷‍♂️

Wow that's pretty awful and agree that it should go to the police. Kudos to the fella for keeping calm as well. In the last year or so I've had dogs trying to bite me whilst on the South Downs Way outside Brighton, it weirdly it never seems to be the dog owners fault. "They don't like bikes" is the usual excuse, then don't take them on a busy public bridleway then!!

Aye, I've been on the receiving end of those fur missiles on a few occasions, thankfully with the support of a very thick protective suit! Still ended up with bruises.

Not dogs to **** around and find out with from an ownership perspective.

it weirdly it never seems to be the dog owners fault. “They don’t like bikes” is the usual excuse, then don’t take them on a busy public bridleway then!!

That's the bit that gets me every time. If the dog can't deal with bikes, don't take it where there will be bikes... it's just bloody common sense isn't it ?

The thing that scare me most about that video was the fear in her voice right at the beginning when she said “please stop, please stop” to the rider (or perhaps the dogs). She knew full well what was going to happen, she was aware of the risk but still chose to walk her dogs off the lead.

In slight defense of reactive dogs, and as the former owner of one (who was never off lead in public), the number of absolute idiots who refuse to give you any space even when asked is far higher than the number of badly managed reactive dogs.

Sensei Walter and Sensei Tracey

Good job he didn't try n give em a slap then!

In slight defense of reactive dogs, and as the former owner of one (who was never off lead in public), the number of absolute idiots who refuse to give you any space even when asked is far higher than the number of badly managed reactive dogs.

This is completely unfair. Its your ******* dog, not theirs.

For future google hits: http://vitalmartialarts.co.uk/ unable to keep dogs under control.

That’s the bit that gets me every time. If the dog can’t deal with bikes, don’t take it where there will be bikes… it’s just bloody common sense isn’t it ?

Or keep it on a lead and close. I have to with my Grey, but not because she doesn't like bikes, she likes to run after quick things, and as she would bounce around like a plank there'd be an inevitable bike/dog interface.

Thankfully I have a few good dog parks nearby to let her off for her 5 minutes of zoomies!

Anyone have any idea where this took place?

Good job he didn’t try n give em a slap then!

This is completely unfair. Its your ******* dog, not theirs.

In slight defense of reactive dogs, and as the former owner of one (who was never off lead in public), the number of absolute idiots who refuse to give you any space even when asked is far higher than the number of badly managed reactive dogs.

Is this your way of saying that you used to have a dog that you knew shouldn’t have been taken out in public?

This is completely unfair. Its your ******* dog, not theirs.

If you can't respect peoples boundaries and personal space you shouldn't be outside either.

We had to give him up after having to come home from work to rescue the OH from the field* where some asshole of a woman was going mental at her for having an "out of control dog". Of course he's "out of control", you're stood there screaming and pointing at him and his owner, how the f did you except that to escalate? I wanted to punch her, the dog (and OH) was fing traumatized.

Rant over, some people are assholes, some dogs are assholes, occasionally you get one owning the other and it's a recipe for disaster like that video.

*it tapers to a corner so if you go in and someone follows you at some point you're going to cross paths on the way back. Unless you, know, you pay the slightest attention to the instruction to give the dog a bare minimum of space. You wouldn't walk upto a stranger in the pub, look him in the eyes and start stroking his hair and not expect to get a slap, don't try it with dogs.

If you can't control your dog don't take it out. Not difficult to grasp. I shouldn't need to account for you owning a dangerous animal you have no control over.

Rant over, some people are assholes, some dogs are assholes, occasionally you get one owning the other - you said it

A dog must be under control in a public place. It's the law. End of.

Those clearly weren't and it needs referring to the Police.

He needs to rebrand himself, I'd have been a darn sight mire grumpy.

yep. Obviously this is hugely stereotypical, but IME 100% of “freestyle” karate/kickboxing club owners are nobs with seething pent-up-rage and short man syndrome, and just live for the opportunity of giving someone a “deserved” “slap”.

They're the UK equivalent of the US 2A nuts, probably own way to much military gear, have a weird obsession with the Army although never served a day, overuse the word patriot and phrases such as 'by rights' & 'I don't mean to be/sound {insert ism/ist}, but..'.

Mouthbreathers to a man/woman.

Typical dog owner, causes chaos because they havent trained their dog then just walks off after the incident with no comeback.

Is that really ‘typical’ of a dog owner, or are you just being a bit of a dick?

Unable to keep their website up too

I wonder why?

Really scary how on earth did he just keep calm and not try to kick / punch the crap out of the things? they were really going for him amazed he just stood there for most of it and stayed so calm. Ive had an german shepard go for me when I was running and had my wrist in its mouth a very very hard kick to the stomach saw it let go and a triad of abuse and threats about vet bills from the owner. I'm sure it was 'just playing' but thats not much comfort when all you can see is teeth coming straight at you

Can things like this be reported on behalf of the victim? Its in the interest of public safety after all

Typical behaviour from an irresponsible dog owner, causes chaos because they havent trained their dog then just walks off after the incident with no comeback.

My bold. that's what you meant to say right?

Can things like this be reported on behalf of the victim? Its in the interest of public safety after all

Yes. In the same way if you saw someone being assaulted you'd report it.

Wow. That's pretty scary!
My daughter (7 years old) is very wary of dogs & it's mainly because of people who don't realise that their dog might be scary/intimidating to others & let them run up to other people.
We've had a few incidents when out with my daughter, when a large-ish dog has come bowling over. I like dogs and am used to them. My previous behaviour in these situations was to try & re-assure my daughter, engage with the dog & be as relaxed around them as possible.
But more & more frequently now I pick her up to get her away from the situation. Having a full sized labrador/German Shepherd/spaniel/Whippet come haring up to you when you are only 4ft tall must be pretty intimidating.

That bloke was amazingly calm - it was almost like he didn't really click with what was happening at first.
As someone said earlier, you could hear the anxiety in the woman's voice saying 'please stop please stop' because she could see what was about to occur.

We had to give him up after having to come home from work to rescue the OH from the field* where some asshole of a woman was going mental at her for having an “out of control dog”. Of course he’s “out of control”, you’re stood there screaming and pointing at him and his owner

so your dog was out of control because the woman was screaming and pointing at his owner OR the woman was screaming and pointing at his owner BECAUSE the dog was out of control (and the woman was probably shit scared)?

Which came first? I've shouted and treatened people with dogs, but not before the dog started having a go at me for no reason apart from being in the same vacinity on a bike.....

Train your dogs or don't take them where other people might be, like outside!

The worrying thing for me is how long it takes the owners to sort the dogs out. Lack of collars clearly doesn't help.

TBF to the dogs they do look like they're interested at first, then I think the pack mentality kicks in and they get aggressive.

But yeah if they were my dogs, they would be on a lead all the time when out in public.

Ours is a big pansy but I'm always consious that as a reasonably large black dog people can be wary or scared of him.

I used to be the same as I got chased by a collie as a kid and had to take refuge up a climbing frame. Looking back it probably just wanted to play, but as an 8 year old you don't understand that. Only got over the fear when we got family dogs as older kids.

If you can’t control your dog don’t take it out.

I knew someone with a lab with some sort of mental disorder which meant it was a complete loon and could randomly snap towards strangers. Spent its time being walked at quiet hours and even then muzzled.
Those dogs definitely need handing over to someone who can care/train them properly since wont be long until they are a dangerous size.

We had to give him up after having to come home from work to rescue the OH from the field* where some asshole of a woman was going mental at her for having an “out of control dog”. Of course he’s “out of control”, you’re stood there screaming and pointing at him and his owner

Yep, been there with mrs_oab in uncontrollable tears and an owner telling her to calm down and ignore the bounding pair of hounds. We apparently were unfair to expect a dog to be called or popped on a lead for a few moments - and yet it was apparently OK for the muddy dogs to be leaping up at us and trying to lick mrs_oab's face. Our polite requests were ignored - and then of course as the couple and the two dogs walked on the personal, foul and discriminatory abuse was thrown.

Some people you just cannot fathom.

so your dog was out of control because the woman was screaming and pointing at his owner OR the woman was screaming and pointing at his owner BECAUSE the dog was out of control (and the woman was probably shit scared)?

I might be wrong, but further on his description he suggests that the woman had approached his dog and tried to smooth it, and the dog didn't like it.

Jesus, that's bad.
Those dogs need putting down. Pity that option isn't available for their owners.

Bad attack - from the women’s initial call out she knows they are out of ck trail and there could be an issue. On that basis they should not be off the lead - end of discussion. Ideally knowing they bite some muzzles would also be in order until the dogs are fully trained / safe.

I’m a dog owner (just about - she’s a small pathetic white fluffy thing with no aggression towards people or other dogs) so I get dogs can be a bit random sometimes - but in this scenario the woman already knew there would be an issue - so this probably isn’t the first time there’s been a problem with these dogs.

Since the covid lock down I’ve noticed a big uptick in dogs that have behavioural issues - my main assumption is they haven’t been socialised with other dogs / people and / or put through basic training due to the lock downs. Our dog was bought in 2016 and we did ‘puppy parties’ with her at the vets from very young so she got used to being around other dogs and people in an enclosed area. I then did a course of training to get her obedience up / walking nicely etc.

On my dog walks now there are some very aggressive dogs towards mine (who shows no interested in them and is quite submissive) - there’s a teddy bear looking thing that I assume is a cockapoo or similar - without fail it has a massive barking lunge at my dog so I give it a wide berth.

Then there are a couple of boxxers that almost pull their owners over trying to get to me / my dog.

Then there’s another even bigger hound - no idea what it is but it’s quite a scary looking thing that I literally cross over the road to avoid as soon as I see it. Again it’s straining against its lead to get at Molly and the owner struggles to hold it back.

Scary stuff - although at least all of them are on leads.

I might be wrong, but further on his description he suggests that the woman had approached his dog and tried to smooth it, and the dog didn’t like it.

Well that makes a bit more sense but the woman was probably still very scared. I can't be arsed with an argument though, Some dog owners just don't appreciate how scary it is when a dog is barking and snarling at you for what seems like no reason.

****ers in the video shouldn't be allowed to keep dogs though as they clearly can't handle them.

That is crazy dog owner behaviour. There’s no way they didn’t know their dogs could behave in that way yet they still let them off the lead in public. You don’t have to have a dog long to know what it’s going to do. The biker was amazingly restrained, I’d have gone mental, even as a full time dog facilitator. My GSPs are completely friendly but I still keep them from waggling around other people.

**** me that's a bit scarey.
Had a few incidents myself but nothing that bad.
Had a Ridgeback go for us once when out with Mrsstu. Pulled its owner over and she let go of the lead.
It then started biting Mrsstu's handle bars.😮
TBF she handled it really well and calmed the dog down herself while the owner was rolling around on the floor.
Not a single word spoken to us or the dog from the owner...

Unlike the owner of a collie the other week.
She took offence at me asking her to call it off and put it on a lead then after she'd reluctantly done that started telling me it was my own fault for being on a dog walking path. It's actually a core path so everyone is welcome.
Then she started filming me and accusing me of kicking her dog and said she was going to report me to the police...
I gave her my name but they never showed up.

Love dogs but some owner are worse than useless.

Vital Martial Arts don't like comments about dog discipline on their FB posts. They are busy taking down posts as quick as people comment on them!

Those dogs are not their scariest pet. Check out Jack!

It's not hard to find the owners on FB I wonder if the mtb'r has reported them yet ?

Those dogs are not their scariest pet. Check out Jack!

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What a weapon.

 

 there’s a teddy bear looking thing that I assume is a cockapoo or similar

[sweeping generalisation] The little spaniel brown things that look like they've had a tight perm? They seem to be the most aggressive/badly trained dogs I meet., either that or it's a pretty popular breed and it's observation bias [/sweeping generalisation]

Vital Martial Arts don’t like comments about dog discipline on their FB posts. They are busy taking down posts as quick as people comment on them!

They do have a Google profile though:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vital+Martial+Arts/ @52.5690585,-1.3458261,17z/data=!4m14!1m8!3m7!1s0x48775a57aff80f47:0x64a1b189ee31fa29!2sVital+Martial+Arts!8m2!3d52.5690585!4d-1.3436374!9m1!1b1!3m4!1s0x48775a57aff80f47:0x64a1b189ee31fa29!8m2!3d52.5690585!4d-1.3436374

Vital Martial Arts don’t like comments about dog discipline on their FB posts. They are busy taking down posts as quick as people comment on them!

I am not one for public pitchforks like that - best use the proper channels for justice.

The new thing around here seems to be gang dog walking under the guise of some kind of 'club'. In actual fact it is just safety in numbers for irresponsible owners who might end up getting a dressing down from riders or walkers otherwise. The first you normally see is a couple of rapid medium sized collie-type dogs running and play fighting, then a massive ****er like a wolfhound lolloping around, then a pack of yappy terrier type dogs at the end. Oh, and bringing up the rear, a long way behind, a gaggle of smug-looking owners daring you to say something. There will be an accident one day - if it is me, I will be going down swinging.

Based in Barwell. Explains a lot.

@nickc - yeah the cocker spaniel / poodle cross type dogs seem to have a lot of energy and almost all the ones I come across seem to be barely trained at all.

We’ve got a bijon/ King Charles cross and she goes in spurts of energy but is less annoying in general plus I put quite a bit of time into getting her behaving acceptably for the most part. Still never cracked her jumped up at people coming into the house so generally shit her in the other room when new people come in until she calms down.

I think people often think you have to walk a dog for miles off the lead to tire them out - but 30-60 mins of intensive training (making them concentrate) is far more tiring for them.

generally shit her in the other room

I think that counts as negative reinforcement 😀

[sweeping generalisation] The little spaniel brown things that look like they’ve had a tight perm? They seem to be the most aggressive/badly trained dogs I meet., either that or it’s a pretty popular breed and it’s observation bias [/sweeping generalisation]

"small man syndrome" is a real thing, especially in dogs.

They don't get a complex because they're small (look at dogs play fighting, you'll absolutely see a terrier try and take on a Great Dane, or Rottweilers that are terrified of small dogs being loud, they have no concept of size), but small and/or "pretty" dogs body language gets completely ignored by people. Imagine if every time you got angry, people completely ignored it and continued to pet you, picked you up, dragged your lead around rather than resolve the situation. Contrast to a big dog, the first time they snarl at someone, the person backs off, the owner steps in, and everyone calms down. Which is why you get great big friendly Rottweilers and American Bulldogs, and Dashounds that go full Karren at everyone/thing.

Dogs breeds seem to find trends - Eg Huskies after game of Thrones. I'm not sure where Malinois came from but there seemed to be a recent spate of them.

Friends daughter has one - bought from a puppy farm during lockdown just before daughter got pregnant. It's destroyed the house as they can't give it the mental stimulation it needs. Thick headed boyfriend won't give it up as it suits his bad boy image. There will be an accident with child/dog at some point.

There are a lot of shit dog owners I try and make up for them whenever I can with my dog.

I’m not sure where Malinois came from but there seemed to be a recent spate of them.

Note: NSFW

Those dogs are not their scariest pet. Check out Jack!

Be awful if someone were to ask if that's good for fighting off dogs

Watching that as an ex postie I don’t think my defence would have worked there . I used to put my bike between me and the dog and run at them shouting and growling but in this case there’s just too many of them . A lot of people considered a standing joke postie being bitten , not funny in the slightest 😡😡😡😡
As has been said the panic in the woman’s voice at the beginning it’s clear she knew what was coming.

Those dogs are not their scariest pet. Check out Jack

🤣🤣🤣 Looks like a comedy sketch!