[Closed] Glentress Etiquette Guide

"That kids is known as a grade a bellend, you'll meet a few in your life"

Loudly

I hope your kids enjoyed their day!

Stick in spokes usually does the trick.
Bloody trail warriors and on the blue as well.Karma will take care of them when they try out some serious stuff. 😀

well said mate

Don't get this at all, always happy to encourage any kids out on a trail.
We saw something similar at Swinley about a month and a half ago three or four of us stopped at the top of one of the blue runs as there were a few young kids ahead going slowly, two bellenders came charging through shouting at us to clear the trail, we responded that there were kids ahead but they were obviously on a charge and flew through, when we came through a bit after one of the kids was pushing her bike along, no doubt having been forced off the trail by the bellenders. One positve was the quiet admirable and highly unusual string of expletives Mrs Kilo fired off at them as they barged through 🙂

Poor show, need pics or video to name and shame! I like to think most mtbers are good people but unfortunately some massive bellends out there too.

Very poor show. I like going fast as I can on the blue at Llandegla but it is strictly with the proviso that I only hammer it on sections with decent visibility and which are clear. It's inevitable you'll catch (or be caught) by others on any trails, a bit of awareness and consideration is all you need really.

It's a good point by the OP that many riders may be on or beyond their limit/comfort zone so some allowance for the fact their attention is rightly focused on the trail rather than whether anyone is approaching from behind.

I prefer it when people do not stop, but move across at a convenient point to get past. When I am close to being caught I tend to move across and give a hand gesture to let the faster rider know that I've seen them and then give them as much room as possible to complete the pass. Less confident riders may not wish to try and go 2 abreast though.

A few words of encouragement/appreciation to faster or slower riders as you pass each other is entirely appropriate. Tell that kid they have a nice bike and deserve a malliot a pois!

Guess the etiquette is:

"Strava does not trump civility"

I was at GT last weekend for first time in nearly 2 years. It's quite handy for me and 10 years ago was there a few times a month. It was this type of behaviour that put me off, plus fuel and parking etc. I was pleased to see loads of kids on the trails but was very aware of the the fully armoured weekend warriors chasing Strava on the swoopy blue bits 👿

Maybe we could have a trail centre bell end shame thread?

On the last 1km I came up behind two ladies and a 4yr old(?) And I was amazed at his age etc etc.

The trail warriors are there because they are scared of natural unpredictable trails.

That's fairly pathetic. Shame we can't shame them using the Strava flyby feature, as I can't imagine you were bothering.

It was this type of behaviour that put me off

To be fair, and in the interest of balance, this behaviour is by far the exception rather than the rule. The overwhelming majority of riders are polite and encouraging.

^^^^ frank, I'd love to agree with you but in my experience of riding there I'd say majority yes, but not overwhelming. I love seeing new riders, old and young on the trails but just don't get why some folk have to go for max gnarr on blue trails at weekends.

I got pointed at and laughed at on the GT blue going back down to Peel by a couple of gnarrrpoonists because apparently my rucksack was too big. I'd just finished guiding a ride and was pootling back down. Not sure why folk need to judge what others are doing. They seemed like the sort of ass hats who would buzz kids on the blue.

Tom - to be fair, we all like a laugh at you now and again x 😀

Glentress attracts a certain type. I find it a VERY strange place to ride on the 2-3 times a year i go there. I'd happilyblock a blue to stop the tits crashing past the wee kids ahead.

I have been on the recieving end of this as well, we even offered to let the group go first that were waiting at the top of the Blue run, who then tried to intimidate me into pulling over, I did when it was safe to do so then gave them a bit of abuse as they sheepishly cycled past, Knob ends!

On the flip side, I was at CyB a couple of years ago when my boy was about 10 years old, and the last hill is common to a few trails, including the new blue.

He overtook a couple of riders ambling up the hill, who pretended to be struggling. It made his day 🙂

To be honest most of the riders that are like that are pretty slow in the general scheme of things so clearly feel the need to belittle others.

I hope they read this thread and realise just how pathetic they are.
Hope you still had a fantastic day though and hope it doesn't stop them enjoying riding in the future

Had this once at the FoD with my (then) 11 year old daughter on the blue. Couple of blokes (it's always blokes isn't it?) pushed past and really shook her up as they went past. They then waited at the end of the trail, full face helmets still on.

I had a chat and they were both very apologetic. Didn't seem to realise that this wasn't exactly appropriate behaviour esp on a marked blue trail. Both took their helmets off and said sorry to Jess. So sometimes riders are just narcissistic a**holes and sometimes they just don't realise what they are doing!

He overtook a couple of riders ambling up the hill, who pretended to be struggling. It made his day

If that was me, I was only pretending to pretend. Was almost certainly blowing up completely! 😀

Good on whoever it was really, though! Luckily, for every stormtrooper-asshat, there are many, many more nice folks out there enjoying their riding who will share a smile and share their love for riding with EVERYONE!

Absolutely shocking I would go ape shit if I witnessed these bellends giving a family a hard time.

Shocking and surprising.

Taking our 9 year old (on his own bike) and 4 year old (on a LOCT with me) round the likes of Dalby or Les Gets, and we've done it for a few years, we've never had anything but shouts of encouragement.

Have a "well done lasses, you'll be dropping your parents soon" from me.

Edit: we did once get advised we didn't want the red trail at Sherwood Pines - my apologies, I think we did.

Had a go at some guys doing this at the green at swinley, I was with my five year old boys. Their excuse was they were there with their kids, couldn't see the kids with them as they raced each other round though. I'm pretty mellow but was fuming.

People in general are massive bellends on the trail. Either people force their way past youngsters or they hold faster riders up and never go wide to let them through.

It's just about having a bit of courtesy for people, I'll always let XC riders through on the climbs because I know they enjoy attacking them. Likewise I'm happy to stop on downhill sections to either let a really fast rider through or give kids some space so they can enjoy their ride.

IMO with way trails are getting overcrowded they need to start building more dual type downhills or at least overtaking zones.

People in general are massive bellends on the trail.

I disagree. Most mountain bikers seem to love seeing youngsters getting their trail legs - in my experience.

Half of them want seem to want recommendations on what sort of kids bike to buy. The other half pass appreciative comments about whatever your child is riding.

Ok I may have over estimated slightly.

Been on the end of a full susser go-pro'd up on berm baby berm. Riding with our ladies, we were going at a casual speed. Gnarr-dude skids up behind, takes a dodgy off-piste line to overtake unnerving the girls looking like he'd take them out at any time and cuts back in front of them. He got a very telling off by all of us at the bottom.

Maybe it depends on where you ride IGM, I think a lot of the male strava/lycrad up crowd drive on crowded roads to get to crowded trail centers and then end up bringing their road rage to the trail.

You may be right. Of course when dad is a 16st ex rugby player maybe people just get a little more polite.

Aggressive Scotsman has also been used in describing me but that of course is untrue.

One of the few slightly negative trail centre experiences we had was at the top of Spooky Wood. One chap decide that 10yr old on Isla Bike wearing Lycra should not be thre - and told me so in no uncertain terms. Said chap set off on big Kona FS wearing body armour with his mates. (natch).

The chap stopped suddenly on first forest track at the end of spooky woods - only to be squeaked at by my 10 year old for stopping so suddenly in front of him....he had stuck to the chaps back wheel the whole way down. 8)

🙂 Matt, hope he was beaming embarassed

I've been to GT once and I'm in no rush to return.

A few folk here blaming Strava. I doubt that's the cause of people being dicks, instead it's just a means to an end for their self-fulfilment.

GT was busy today, and some knobs too.

Had one bloke try to get on my inside on Mushrooms, he didn't shout or anything and I was within a yard of my mate in front. He went down. I ignored him.

Then on Fala Brae Lower he did the same to one of the other guys I was riding with. No asking to pass or anything. And we'd already passed them as they sat at the start...

Seriously? Glad I [s]never meet[/s] have so far never met these dicks.

[s]Glentress[/s] Etiquette Guide

1. Don't be a dick to other people
2. See number 1

Sometimes humanity really disappoints me. The rest of the time it's only a low level, background feeling of disappointment.

Not just the adults that can be tools.

Was at GT the the wee man on his islabike cnoc riding the blue these obnoxious kids thought that shouting rider meant we should stop immediately and get out their way. Their parents were with them so not sure who was worse them or the parents.

I'm all for kids riding trails but they need to learn some manners or skills so they could pass at the numerous passing points.

v8ninety - Member
Glentress Etiquette Guide
1. Don't be a dick to other people
2. See number 1

Sounds familiar

Rule #43 // Don’t be a jackass.
But if you absolutely must be a jackass, be a funny jackass. Always remember, we’re all brothers and sisters on the [s]road[/s] trail.

Well, this is putting me off ever popping into GT if I'm passing. Never experienced or witnessed this kind of arseholery at any other trail centre I've visited.

Dicks have been dicks since time began, whatever electronics have appeared doesn't change that.

Gave up on Glentress during weekends about 8 years ago, due to it being too busy.

At that point there were dicks who pushed passed at a trail entrance while I was trying to give the girls in front a gap, sitting on their wheel asking if they wanted to go faster worked well to make a point.
Then the idiots pushing up spooky wood who didn't really get why it was a bad idea.
Chuck in the other idiots and it's not a new thing.

Then there was the family on the blue who stopped just after the bridge in the middle of the trail in the blind spot...

I think you can apply a lot of this to any trail centre during busy weekend hours. Hence we only really ride GT on evenings or very early sat/sun. Friday night is always a good time to go, seems a good crowd of folk around, then chips in Peebles after!

Then there was the family on the blue who stopped just after the bridge in the middle of the trail in the blind spot...

That seems to be a favourite spot for a picnic!

By way of perspective, I've been riding at GT for over 20 years now on and off, it's very close and convenient for a quick blast if I haven't got much time.
In all the time I've been riding there I've never once met anyone who wasn't polite, respectful of other trail users and quick with a friendly hello.
I do however avoid weekend mornings so that might have something to do with it, by abound 3-4pm you can easily ride round without seeing another soul.

I'd certainly agree that Sunday mornings probably bring out the more aggressive types there, based on observations over the last 10 years or so. If I'm taking my kids I try and avoid weekends...

not been to gt in a year or so but never ever seen behaviour like this and i've been there alot in the past...

The blue at gt is an odd one due to the mix of riders it attracts. I'll echo mikewsmiths post though, there was someone letting his 2 small girls play on the bridge and in the blind spot after it on Saturday. A mate who was riding up spotted a potentially very nasty near miss when a rider coming over the bridge nearly took both girls out.

Have to say that I had a fantastic ride round GT yesterday morning at 4am.

trusty - Member

The blue at gt is an odd one due to the mix of riders it attracts

GT blue is almost too good I would say. Other blue's that I've ridden don't tend to attract such a mix as experienced riders are likely to find them pretty dull. Gt, on the other hand, is great fun for everyone! The only other one I know of like it is the new blue descent at Comrie, which is bloody brilliant!

Cycling around Cardinham a few weeks ago I nearly put my front wheel in the potato salad of a couple who had decided to have a picnic directly on the trail. The looks on their faces were priceless, I had to spend a while stopping laughing before explaining the precarious nature of the spot.

I think Legend's right, GT blue attracts riders that wouldn't usually ride a blue. That doesn't excuse anything, it just explains why bellends choose it in particular to let their bellendery shine. And I reckon no surprise that the bridge attracts trouble too. (I had the picnic thing with a family on the berm- they just hadn't realised it was even part of the trail, they saw it as basically a wee raised bit near the trail. But I think maybe a wee sign there would be a good idea)

But as for riding at GT in general, I do it often, it never really feels [i]that [/i]busy to me. There's a wee bit of trail-centre-craft involved in judging when you start and stop but that's about it. It's no hardship to take a wee break halfway down a trail if you're catching someone is it?

It's no hardship to take a wee break halfway down a trail if you're catching someone is it?

WTAF?!?!?!

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2 pages in and we haven't even started tackling Euro Fluoro or too much body armor ?

My pet hate is the guys that see a lady person coming towards the trail head, all quickly jump on their bike and to get ahead of you, then proceed to mince down the trail like Julian Clary at handbag modelling convention.

My favourite picnic experience was on the North Shore in the free ride area. They must've been wondering why the tables were so long.

You should think yourself lucky you're allowed a bicycle at all, woman! You sully our trails with your chromosomes, and dilute our testosterone.

This is pretty rare on my local trails (Dalby) thankfully. Ride a lot with my two (5 and 10) and have trained them to pull over WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT and not before. Nearly always get a cheery pass. Last week I got passed by grumpy buggers though. They didn't push past but there was no acknowledgement that you'd gone to some effort to let them pass, and then they stopped just up the trail and we passed them again. They didn't like not being able to catch the 10 year old though.

Best one was when I was just out with the 5 year old recently and this guy on some old hack bike (but wearing a full face) was out with his son and didn't like waiting (although we'd just passed them earlier), so tried to ride past off trail, got caught in some brambles and fell over clipped in. He lay there wriggling and swearing and refusing any help whilst he extracted himself, by which time his (very embarrased) son had arrived and we rode on.

I was very pleased that the 5 year old found it as amusing as I did 😉

I suppose, I just don't get how any keen cyclist twists themselves up in a way that, when they see kids or families or first timers out for a bike ride, they think anything other than "That's awesome". If you'd rather sneer at a noob or consider a kid on a balance bike an inconvenience, you're a ****, that's all. You'd still be a **** if Glentress was closed to everyone but you. It's not like there's any lack of quieter trails in the area is it, if you're so gnar you can't share the blue with THE PEOPLE IT WAS BUILT FOR then **** off to the golfy or something. Except I get the feeling that the people who moan most about GT being too busy, never ride anywhere else, they're the same fannies complaining that the red is too easy while riding all the cheat lines on their 160mm travel bike.

Yeah sometimes there's people doing daft things too but they're just daft, that's way less bad than being a ****.

yeah sorry - can I bake you some lovely scones to make up for it ? Or embroider some pictures of kittens.

If I wasn't such a shy and unsure of myself person I would probably shout at the knobbers... please help me, I'm useless.

I still don't understand why people feel the need to ride trials with hundreds of other riders. What's wrong with buying a map and going out into the empty countryside?

The only time I went to a trail centre I was disgusted at the bottles of pop from the cafe thrown by the trail side and after a couple of miles of repetitive zig zags and obscure forest I got bored and veered off into the hills for some real riding.

The only time I went to a trail centre I was disgusted at the bottles of pop from the cafe thrown by the trail side and after a couple of miles of repetitive zig zags and obscure forest I got bored and veered off into the hills for some real riding.

Oooooh - look at you - my new hero. 🙄

was someone letting his 2 small girls play on the bridge and in the blind spot after it on Saturday. A mate who was riding up spotted a potentially very nasty near miss when a rider coming over the bridge nearly took both girls out.

Hmm, careful there, you may well be describing me. I had to stop at the bridge as it was too steep for my girls to ride down (it is very steep for a blue, but that is another discussion). I left my bike on the side of the trial at the top of the bridge then helped my girls down from the bridge onto the trail past the bridge (there is no walkaround). When we were on the blindside of the bride a guy came accross full tilt and got a shock when he saw us. It was close and I can see how it looked to him but no-one was playing on the bridge.

Well, this is putting me off ever popping into GT if I'm passing.

Glentress is an incredibly friendly place, I live on the doorstep and ride there all the time - I've experienced this once or twice. It's not locals, it's people visiting - which could visit any trail center, anywhere.

Yep, you heard it here first. Assholes, coming to a trail near you soon.

Every trail centre has ****s, it's not just limited to GT. My thoughts are that you should always show other riders respect as it doesn't matter how fast or good you think you are there is always someone faster and better than you!

The only time I went to a trail centre I was disgusted at the bottles of pop from the cafe thrown by the trail side

and after a couple of miles of repetitive zig zags and obscure forest I got bored and veered off into the hills for some real riding.

The only time I went to a trail centre I was disgusted at the bottles of pop from the cafe thrown by the trail side and after a couple of miles of repetitive zig zags and obscure forest I got bored and veered off into the hills for some real riding.

Riding snob alert....

It's possible to enjoy both you just need to remove the seat post from your .....

It could have read I got so sick of the litter dropped by all the ramblers and after slogging up a wet grassy hill for an hour to find the singletrack was full of ramblers/sanitised I went back to the trail centre for some fun

mikewsmith - Member
'The only time I went to a trail centre I was disgusted at the bottles of pop from the cafe thrown by the trail side and after a couple of miles of repetitive zig zags and obscure forest I got bored and veered off into the hills for some real riding.'
Riding snob alert....

No, he's probably a mountain biker...
🙂

Franksinatra, these had been there for a while. The girls were stood on the bridge waving at riders below when I rode up and were still there when my mate pottered up at the back a few minutes later so had spent some time there. At least that's what it looked like.

ok, etiquette question.

let's say i wish to ride down a blue trail: i see some kids have just started, so i stop to wait for a minute.

some other riders arrive, i don't know them.

would it be dick-ish to suggest we all wait a minute?

If I'm waiting for some shower riders to progress and some other riders appear I normally let them know why I'm waiting so they don't bomb down and run into the back of the slower moving group.

awhiles - no not at all, that's what I would do.

some other riders arrive, i don't know them.

would it be dick-ish to suggest we all wait a minute?

as others have said, of course not, makes sense to let them know. The big question though is....do you then go off in front of this group yourself ? 🙂

Ah that's the bit I like, are these guys quicker than me. They've got expensive bikes but their helmets are in backwards, think I'll pop in front of them. Great trail centre guessing game .

Franksinatra, these had been there for a while. The girls were stood on the bridge waving at riders below when I rode up and were still there when my mate pottered up at the back a few minutes later so had spent some time there. At least that's what it looked like.

Not me! My girls were too distracted by their picnics whilst on the bridge to be waving at riders.

ainc - Member

...do you then go off in front of this group yourself ?

No. i've got 2 speeds; slow and slower. In almost all cases, i'll be at the back.

Does the etiquette guide cover the two arseh*les driving down from the buzzards nest car park trying to do handbrake turns in their Fiesta?