[Closed] Giant pull the pin on 26"...

Five values plummet? Err... Fives arent cheap in -------->

2009 anthem 0, snapped in April, stripped it down, took the frame to the dealer. He got an Anthem advanced 0 frame, fox floats rlc and american classic wheels back.

to say he was delighted is a tiny bit of an understatement.

[quote=bigrich ]2009 anthem 0, snapped in April, stripped it down, took the frame to the dealer. He got an Anthem advanced 0 frame, fox floats rlc and american classic wheels back.
to say he was delighted is a tiny bit of an understatement.

Well that is a good deal, if I hear Santa Cruz are doing that in 2018 I might have a serious go at hammering it 🙂

Bit worried Ive got a Giant Anthem X1, which is only just small enough for me. With bigger wheels would be too big!

Maybe there's another take on it....

The turner 5-Spot is seen as one of the best trail/AM bikes ever built, Turner replaced it with the Burner. The reviews of the Burner aren't as favourable as the Spot.

Does this mean an excellent condition Spot frame will be worth more, now that it's (soon to be) not possible to buy?

Turner still make the parts, and they're transferable between Sultan/Burner (apart from the Stays etc - but, they're unlikely to fail given the iteration).

Northwind - Member
core - Member
Why do people get peeved that their bike is discontinued? It won't make any difference to it,

Resale value is definitely a factor... A used Five lost about half its value the day they announced it was "obsolete", partly because new stock went straight in the sales and partly because fickle mountain bikers don't want the old model, even if yesterday it was the new model. If you bought a Five the day before they announced the 650b Five, you took a knee square in the assets.

Why does that matter? Well, for most people with a decent bike, the value of that forms a part of the budget for their new bike. If my last bike had taken a big hit on value, I'd not have been able to buy my current bike.

The other thing is just parts transferability- the wheels and forks in my hardtail have been in at least 4 different frames, but if I buy a new frame tomorrow I'll need to replace both (and again, the old parts are already worth less). So again it hits you in the wallet. And ironically, will probably mean I buy less bikes/bike parts for the forseeable future.

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Amen brother, not a truer word spoke on this forum, me and you speak a lot of sense! 8)

walleater, I'm not sure your premise is correct although TBH I haven't double checked.

IIRC from that article the new 27.5 frames have just as long a wheelbase. I would agree in that I found the Anthem 29er too long, but the Trance 29er is quite a bit shorter, and I suspect this was why so many prefered the ride of the Trance 29er.

I rode mine yesterday and I'm still just as happy with it. In fact I'm thinking these 3 measures Giant have come up with to market 27.5 are a load of BS, especially in claiming 29ers only have one advantage, when that factor results in a number of benefits.

" And ironically, will probably mean I buy less bikes/bike parts for the forseeable future."

Spot on with that. I shall now wait and see what the score is on wheel size before I make another purchase of frame or bike.

" And ironically, will probably mean I buy less bikes/bike parts for the forseeable future."

The only thing I change alot is frames (secondhand). Everything else is on a worn-out basis. So new marketing/magazines pushing for sales/adverts/jumping on bandwagon's doesn't affect or bother me.

Dual control brakes passed me by and I'm not an early adaptor on most products. I tend to wear things out before change. So if people want to drive bike product sales - all the power to them.

I'm going to go ride my bike. You lot can bicker over a few inches till the cows come home, as has already been said nothing will disappear overnight so why worry about it. My frame is currently 2 years old and baring a catastrophic crash or failure it will be getting ridden for many years to come. Life's to short to get caught up corporate pied piperism.

I tend to wear things out before change

Who has stolen Hora's account?

Spot on with that. I shall now wait and see what the score is on wheel size before I make another purchase of frame or bike.

+1. If 650B is an industry scheme to make us all 'upgrade' its going to fail in the short term. A lot of people are saying they're going to hold off until it becomes clear which way the wind's blowing.

The "future" will be 650b for a while and back to 26" saying cap in hand "we were wrong" and we all have to buy new tyres again.

probably this - and the bike industry shouldn't be unhappy - they will have succeeded in using wheel sizes to generate extra sales for a few years

^ You mean those 'all new' lighter, stronger more agile 26" wheels.

I've already got some, yes I'm that ahead of the game 😉

It warms my heart to see such resistance to the utterly pointless and entirely forced on us con job that is 650b.

Just keep hold of your old 26er .or 29er.....when the sales are of 650b are catastrophic .......Gaint may re-think their strategy .....you as a consumer control the market ..not them ........other bikes are available ...

yes me to it would amuse me no end if every just did not buy a bike till they knew which size won

It is most definitely not consumer led

Sorry, what's all this about? A wheel size debate?

I've been too busy enjoying riding my bike to realise, are the new ones rounder?

I was in a Giant retailer a couple of weeks ago getting new bearings for my MkI trance and had a sit on the 29er version. The salesguy explained that 650b was like big tyres on a 26" and that 29er was the way to go but they'd sold out of my size. So thank you, I have mahoosive tyres already and like them for rocky rides. I was thinking of a buying 29er but I'll save the money for something else now...

scandal42 - Member

are the new ones rounder?

YES, according to the french, the ones that mavic supplied to TeamGB at the olympics...

Northwind - Member

core - Member

Why do people get peeved that their bike is discontinued? It won't make any difference to it,

Resale value is definitely a factor... A used Five lost about half its value the day they announced it was "obsolete", partly because new stock went straight in the sales and partly because fickle mountain bikers don't want the old model, even if yesterday it was the new model. If you bought a Five the day before they announced the 650b Five, you took a knee square in the assets.

That's not actually true though, is it. I keep a close eye on the second hand prices of the 5 as I might be changing mine and if anything the price of 26" 5's has gone up.

I've watched used 2012/13 5's go for only a couple of hundred quid less then you can get a new one for in the sales. Madness.

With all the fuss about 27.5 not being 27.5 why didn't they just make them 27.5 in the first place? 😕

its all too confusing

i was planning to upgrade my frame but for what I want new frames only seem to be 650b

but that means new forks, wheels, tyres, none of which are available s/h or on sale in 650b flavour

so instead im now contemplating buying a complete bike

which is bollox because id much rather build up to my own spec

so the bike industry gets a lot more money out of me than i wouldve spent if there was no new fangled wheel sizes

Er, just buy a nice s/h frame to match your current wheels.

chestrockwell - Member

That's not actually true though, is it. I keep a close eye on the second hand prices of the 5 as I might be changing mine and if anything the price of 26" 5's has gone up.

I saw well used frames selling for very nearly what you can buy a new frame for now. That's not happening any more.

kimbers - Member

its all too confusing

i was planning to upgrade my frame but for what I want new frames only seem to be 650b

but that means new forks, wheels, tyres, none of which are available s/h or on sale in 650b flavour

650b frames are a bit like 44mm headtubes; your old wheels/forks will fit, i bet you won't even notice the 'wrongness'.

it'll feel different, but mostly because it'll be a new frame.

Northwind - Member

chestrockwell - Member

That's not actually true though, is it. I keep a close eye on the second hand prices of the 5 as I might be changing mine and if anything the price of 26" 5's has gone up.

I saw well used frames selling for very nearly what you can buy a new frame for now. That's not happening any more.

Were they for sale or were they sold?

From what I've seen the frame prices have stayed around the same, between £550 to £850 for a 2009+ depending on condition. Seen some go for £1000+ but they tend to be nearly new and mint. One sold on ebay for £1000 yesterday. How 'very nearly' do you mean?

Full bike wise 2009+ were going for £1200 to £1800. They are starting at £1500 now with some people thinking they can get £2000+ for a 2011 when you can have a brand new Pro for £2300 🙄

That was sold, for sale means nowt.

More importantly, what are handlebar manufacturers going to do?

- Risers for 26"

- Flats for 29ers

Are we going to get a new 'standard' for handlebars for 650b?

Never mind handlebars, we can all look forward to new "standards" for stems / headsets/ cranks / BB etc etc.

Marketing departments must be paying overtime to come up with more bollox to jump on this band wagon.

we can all look forward to new "standards" for stems / headsets/ cranks / BB etc etc.

[url= http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/technology/overdrive/50/ ]Giant have form for this, of course.[/url]

Giant knows a thing or two about inventing solutions

for problems that aren't there? 😉

However much we moan about bike companies trying to screw money out of us, nothing's going to change while we live in a capitalist society. Bike companies are commercial organisations who make money (and therefore keep trading, employing people, paying dividends to shareholders etc) by selling bikes and frames at the maximum profit that they can achieve per item. That's their sole imperative. And the bigger the company, the more driven they are to keep selling bikes and frames. "Market feedback" = "what's selling", pure and simple (it's why Santa Cruz got into 650b for the Bronson and Solo – and they're happy to admit it). I would imagine that Giant have seen their slice of the 29er market contract (there could be loads of reasons for this: 18.2" chainstays may be one of them) and they've probably worked out that full suspension is still out-selling hard tails. Possibly, they've also worked out that the cheapest way to keep selling new bikes at the maximum profit is by re-tooling for 650b (which need only be *very slightly* different than 26") rather than re-develop the Maestro platform across all their bikes (I'm guessing here, in all honesty).

I'm not trying to be condescending, but there's really only one reason that any bike company would jump on the 650b bandwagon; they think they can make a profit by doing so. And if that company the size of Giant (see what I did there?) with all their resources and experience (and half an eye on all the other bikes they build for other brands) they're probably right.

there's more to being a giant than size 😉

they've probably worked out that full suspension is still out-selling hard tails.

I'd be surprised if this is correct without seeing the figures, as I'd expect the majority of 'mountain bikes' sold to be in the sub £600 price range.

Northwind - Member
That was sold, for sale means nowt.

I know and that's why I asked the question.

Anyone at any time paying nearly list for a well used 5 frame has been seen coming a mile off. A tiny bit of research would show they over paid. If you know these people please tell them to PM me as I have a 2009 frame they can have for a bargain £1100. 😉

check this out for some marketing / science / spiel, there is also the 27.5 giant range shown too

http://www.giant-bicycles.com/showcase/anthem-27-5/#customtechpage

well, all this does is confirm that I won't be buying a new bike any time soon

well, all this does is confirm that I won't be buying a new bike any time soon

yup me too, either gonna ride all my 26" wheeled bikes into the ground or over to retrobike 🙂

...and both of my current Giant 29ers are now, in Giants eyes at least, Sh1t..
well that was 3k well spent.. 😳

If 650B is the new 26 then I'm putting my money on a new niche wheel size that's slightly bigger than 29. just need to chew over sizes with my marketing friends. I'll be on Kickstarter if anyone needs me

Andypaul - that really is the message after basically 1-2 seasons (1 for the trance) and that is what is annoying.

Zokes +1 with the caveat that the new bikes do look nice! The trance 2 in stealth black. I wish giant would let you chose the frame colour and then spec accordingly. The 1s tend to be in goppy colours IMO. The new anthem 3 in red, black and white looks nicer than the 1 and 2 IMO!

The Trance SX looks like a nice bike too (despite the copper colour)

check this out for some marketing / science / spiel, there is also the 27.5 giant range shown too

http://www.giant-bicycles.com/showcase/anthem-27-5/#customtechpage

It's all relative though, looking at that webpage all of the 3 wheel sizes have advantages and all have disadvantages. 27.5 claims to be better at climbing but if that climb is loose and rocky then 29 gains an advantage due to better traction and rollover.

So I dont see how you can say one is better than the others as during an one ride there are going to be sections that at some point favour any of the sizes. so that means at the end of the day over the course of a ride it makes sod all difference what size wheel you are riding.

so just ride what you have and enjoy it!

Yes, that's a brilliant piece of pseudo-science. Graphs and everything 🙂 Funny, last year we were being told that 29ers climbed better due to better roll over and improved traction, conveniently ignoring the extra weight. Now we are being told that 650b climbs better due to lower weight, conveniently ignoring the roll over. Of course, in practice, it all depends on the climb that you choose.

Yes, that's a brilliant piece of pseudo-science. Graphs and everything Funny, last year we were being told that 29ers climbed better due to better roll over and improved traction, conveniently ignoring the extra weight. Now we are being told that 650b climbs better due to lower weight, conveniently ignoring the roll over. Of course, in practice, it all depends on the climb that you choose.

Or how strong your legs are

I love Giant's faux science explanations! They're a triumph of marketing over engineering truth, the likes of which the 1950s tobacco industry would have been proud of. 650b is a magic compromise which manages to be more like 26" when smaller is better (agility) and more like 29" when bigger is better (rolling). 😛

Just "enjoyed" the new website and marketing spiel over a coffee. Hats off to them for some quality spin and classy video! I was almost taken in!! Proof will be in the testing I guess as always.

So I dont see how you can say one is better than the others as during an one ride there are going to be sections that at some point favour any of the sizes. so that means at the end of the day over the course of a ride it makes sod all difference what size wheel you are riding.

This

Coincidentally, I opened up a slightly older bike mag yesterday- an STW I think- and found inside the front cover a massive Giant ad about how 29ers are definitely the future and you have to be a retard to buy anything else 😆

Orange 5 swing arm please

No problem. Here you go 🙂

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A call out to the engineers, can you do the sums please?

There's a guy over on the Pinkbike thread that has, and he claims the relationship between the sizes is linear as you would expect, and things like the contact patch area doesn't change with wheel size, just the shape of it.

Even for a non engineer, Giant's claims look highly spurious, with specific numbers quoted where it evidently suits them, and positive general comments seemingly conveniently made to spin the position when the numbers aren't much closer than halfway. Maybe they should fess up that 27.5 doesn't sit halfway between the two because the actual size isn't halfway between the two. Pretty low effort IMO.

zokes - Member
well, all this does is confirm that I won't be buying a new bike any time soon

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Dickyboy - Member
well, all this does is confirm that I won't be buying a new bike any time soon
yup me too, either gonna ride all my 26" wheeled bikes into the ground or over to retrobike

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+1

I was gonna build a 29er a month or two back, then couldn't find forks I wanted, gave up, now upgrading all my 26er kit, it won't be long before it all comes back around!

A call out to the engineers, can you do the sums please?

There's a guy over on the Pinkbike thread that has, and he claims the relationship between the sizes is linear as you would expect, and things like the contact patch area doesn't change with wheel size, just the shape of it.

Even for a non engineer, Giant's claims look highly spurious, with specific numbers quoted where it evidently suits them, and positive general comments seemingly conveniently made to spin the position when the numbers aren't much closer than halfway. Maybe they should fess up that 27.5 doesn't sit halfway between the two because the actual size isn't halfway between the two. Pretty low effort IMO.

I don't have the time to do the sums but the relationship is indeed linear. And as the diameters are 559, 584 and 622, the nominal 'wheel' sizes with a big tyre are 27", 28" and 29.5". Or with a small tyre, 26", 27" and 28.5".

I won't be buying a new bike anytime soon

Nor me, lack of money though rather than fretting over wheel size, if I had cash it'd be 27.5 though

The problem with doing the sums is that you have to decide what you are going to keep constant. For example, Giant's calculations of wheel weight effectively assume the same tyre/rim/spokes. That sounds fine, but a 29er with a 2.35" tyre has a much larger volume of air than a 26" wheel with the same width tyre. You could just as well argue that you want to keep the volume of air the same (to give similar feel at similar pressure), in which case the width of the 29er tyre would be lower and the weight difference much less. In fact that is what most people do with 29ers; run narrower tyres. For example, my 29er wheels are hope/Arch Ex with 2.1" Racing Ralph tyres and are actually lighter than my 26" set (Hope/Flow Ex with 2.35" Nobby Nic). But my 29er is my light fast XC hardtail and my 26" bike is designed to take more abuse. So, as always, wheel size is only part of the story.

This is just a ploy from Giant to try to shake the market up into deciding what its doing. The big manufactureres want this silly debate ended as much as we do so they can get on with the business of building bikes they can sell and take the uncertainty out of the market. It is a fiarly safe bet to lay your stakes on 650b - not that much bigger than 26" so can eventually replace their long travel and DH bikes in their range so they're trying to flush out what's happening with 29er's. The other big companies seem to have laid their stalls out and Giant are obviously wanting to cover their bets for as long as they can before committing - they may even be looking to sweep up any disenchanted people from other brands who may have discontinued their favourite wheelsize.

Giant will fall into line with everyone else whatever that may turn out to be.

Yes, for all the talk of extra choice, the fact is that having multiple wheel sizes doesn't really suit anybody. Whether it is the consumers or the manufacturers I think we'd all be happier with one wheel size and the manufacturers have already shown that they can build a bike with the characteristics to suit almost any rider using any of the three common sizes. So all that remains now is to pick one and we can all move on.

So according to Giant, with the exception of rolling resistance and traction. 26" wheels are better

So keep your 26" bike and go tubeless. 😀

There you go I've saved you all ££££

Just bought a fleet of Trance X2 in 26" for the new season - but will be watching the marketing trends. Next year 27.5 - but who knows.

I wonder if this move by Giant will increase the value of my 2012 26" Trance X2? Ever the optimist me 🙂

Giant are a massive global brand / manufacturer selling bikes in more markets than any other.
You can put away any theories of marketing brain-washing for more profit - imo if anyone needs to hedge bets on a global average wheel it's Giant. It's nothing more than trying to remain competitive, very little to do with market coercion. They could lose a big chunk of sales by getting it wrong. They could also lose a lot of profit by having 3 wheel size platforms 'just in case'. I'd be a much happier giant stakeholder right now than one of specialized if spesh remain 29-at-all-costs. I can see the downside in buying new wheels and all that but Giant won't be the brand to 'keep it real' and keep making 26" options that sell to an increasingly small number of people.

From reading that article, it says that Giant can't make 29er work very well around their suspension, so they are going to stop trying and convince us all that 650 was the answer all along. Despite other bike manufacturers with other suspension layouts making 29er FS work.
So - Giant make things easier for themselves whilst investing in new and easier-to-make niche.

it says that Giant can't make 29er work very well around their suspension,

Isn't Dave Weagle (or someone) trying to sue Giant on the basis that Maestro infringes existing patents for DW-link (which seems to work fine for 29ers)?

The suspension on my Trance 29er seems to work fine?

Currently have a Zesty for fun, twisty stuff. After a year of waiting for the Wheel Wars to settle down, I finally decided to get a 29" hardtail for longer rides / racing to complement the Zesty.

Now I haven't got a clue. If the 29er becomes a niche wheel size, I might have 2 "obsolete" bikes that I can't buy tubes / tyres for in the future.

Looks like I'll be waiting a bit longer.

tenfoot - Member

Now I haven't got a clue. If the 29er becomes a niche wheel size, I might have 2 "obsolete" bikes that I can't buy tubes / tyres for in the future.

that's really not going to happen.

Do you ever see any 24" mtb's? - no? but getting rims/tyres/tubes is still easy.

it says that Giant can't make 29er work very well around their suspension

Odd, I have an Anthem 29 and after mountain biking for 20 years and god knows how many bikes (39 at last count) over the years, It's the best bike I have ever ridden, so I'm not quite sure who thinks the design doesn't work.

I use it as one bike for all tasks, does race duties at Elite level with light wheels, trail centres and day rides in peaks and dales etc. with a slightly more bomb proof set. for me it's a great bike, much better than the 26" version I used to have.

that's really not going to happen.

Do you ever see any 24" mtb's? - no? but getting rims/tyres/tubes is still easy.

Not true. I can be seen riding round on my Nomad with a 24" rear wheel.

But yes, it is easy to get rims and tyres for it.

The only wheel size I've struggled to find is 17". Given the fact that there is only one bike that uses this size and SJS cycles will sell you the rims and tyres for silly money (£60 for a rim!) I don't think finding 26" parts is going to be a problem any time soon. Unless rim and tyre manufacturers make a concious decision to restrict access to force everyone onto the new sizes.

...but can you still get replacement 24" Kashimashimaaaaaaaaaaaaa fork stanchions? Can ya?

Nope.

(a rather facile point, but you may see the principle here). 😉

The Trance looks very nice indeed, in fact I'm seriously thinking of cancelling my order for the new Trek Fuel until I've had a go.

Is cancelling a bike you've asked your LBS to order from the distributor bad form? I'd still be buying the Giant from them.

Speak to them justatheory, it might be fine, or it might be a pain!

[b]AlexSimon[/b], aye, why do I post this cr@p? I'll ask them.

Blazin-saddles - Member
it says that Giant can't make 29er work very well around their suspension
Odd, I have an Anthem 29 and after mountain biking for 20 years and god knows how many bikes (39 at last count) over the years, It's the best bike I have ever ridden, so I'm not quite sure who thinks the design doesn't work.

[b]I use it as one bike for all tasks, does race duties at Elite level [/b]with light wheels, trail centres and day rides in peaks and dales etc. with a slightly more bomb proof set. for me it's a great bike, much better than the 26" version I used to have.

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Oh ffs. 🙄

Odd, I have an Anthem 29 and after mountain biking for 20 years and god knows how many bikes (39 at last count) over the years, It's the best bike I have ever ridden, so I'm not quite sure who thinks the design doesn't work

Well Giant for a start 🙂

I can imagine that folk who have recently been sold a Giant 29er are going to be a bit annoyed at Giant now claiming that 29ers are a bad idea. But bike companies have always tried to claim that this years bike is much better than anything they've ever made before. Just because this change involves a new wheel size doesn't make that claim any more valid. If you thought a 29er Anthem or Trance was a great bike for you last year then it's still a great bike for you now, whatever the people who made it say.

justatheory - Member

AlexSimon, aye, why do I post this cr@p? I'll ask them.

Odd, I have an Anthem 29 and after mountain biking for 20 years and god knows how many bikes (39 at last count) over the years, It's the best bike I have ever ridden, so I'm not quite sure who thinks the design doesn't work.

best bike for what conditions and terrain though? It's a relative. Any bike is going to be a compromise, no suspension, wheel size, tyre etc is going to be the best all of the time, in all conditions for every rider.

So Giant must think that a 650b bike is the best compromise for average riders on average terrain...

BTW, I have a Anthem 29 and with out doubt its the best bike I have owned to date.

My Anthem is a rocket ship and on loose moderately technical and moderately steep climbs its much much better than any of my previous bikes but on the other hand its feels unwieldy on tight switchbacks such as those at Cardinham near Bodmin.

On any trail there will be sections were a 26 is best, another section might work better on a 29 maybe a 650b will sit somewhere in the middle. Not to mention difefrences in riding styles and preffed terrain

At the end of the day, all things considered I really dont think it matters what wheel size you have for most people.

mduncombe - Member

So Giant must think that a 650b bike is the best compromise for average riders on average terrain..

Oh come on... Giant think that 650b is most marketable. Does anybody really believe the 650b exodus is about performance? Santa Cruz don't, and admitted as much... Giant you can judge by their actions, 29er was the best until they decided to get on the 650b bandwagon, then 650b was the best, and suddenly their 29ers were never that good despite what they told us last month.

It's not about the bike.

I watch this whole debate with bemused interest. Personally, if Giant decide to drop their 29er range, I think that would be a great pity. The Trance X 29 I have on long term test continues to impress me with just how capable and versatile a bike it is. Every time I take it into the big mountains, I come back with a grin on my face and genuine surprise at how well it handles loose, steep, tight and rocky trails compared to my normal 5 Spot set up with Lyriks at the front.

I had the pleasure of riding Binnean Mor a couple of weeks ago which features pretty much the full gamut of technical trail feature. Exposed, tight switchbacks were dispatched with ease, rock gardens were plowed through with a confidence that I'd normally reserve for beefier longer travel forks.

I've nothing to gain by bigging up Giant but in my experience of their Trance X 29, they've come up with a very capable bike that can probably do everything that the vast majority of riders will ever ask of it short of freeride and downhill. I started the test with an open mind as to what the bike would be capable of and it's fair to say it's more than capable when trails turn steep and technical. 😀

Is 650b better? Who knows? However, it will be pretty bloody impressive if it can equal or better the Trance 29er. 😀

It's not about the bike.

cant disagree with that, although I always ride better and faster on a new bike 🙂

Maybe Giant are doing this not just to extract more money from the punters I doubt many large corps are that competent.

I can see Giant as having convinced themselves about 29 but then came across some issues that they were not happy with but were already commited to production. Then when they were able to they addressed them.

I work for a large electronic company in product development, product decisons are not always made on whats best but rather on deadlines, ticking boxes and development/production resources.

besides, will 29er owners now feel the need to go out and buy a 650b, of course not unless they are so insecure about not having the latest thing.

Lets say 650b really takes of and 26/29 wheels disapear completely, well by the time they do its most likely going to be about time for a new bike anyway. Based on me having 5 mountain bikes over a period of 25 years.

Its not about the wheel size, its about some people being upset that they dont have the latest thing anymore. Most people dont care and just go and ride what they have in the shed.