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Anyone got one or tried one?
Not me, but interested in what people say about it since it is a contender for my new bike
No but I like the look of them. There's a somewhat odd review here http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/bikes/mountain/product/review-genesis-bikes-high-latitude-2x10-12-46592
Every UK frame should have CrudCatcher bosses!
The 'local' LBS does Genesis BTW and can get demos in. They have a no-discount policy on frames/bikes tho I believe.
That review basically says 'I prefer long-forked 26in hardtails to short-forked 29in hardtails' Not very helpful really.
Anyway, the High Latitude has shortish chainstays and a slackish HA and looks on paper like it might be fun. The track-end version also comes in tasty 'burnt copper'.
Yeah it's a silly review.
That's the "Alfine" version I presume? Presumably you are thinking of frame only as an SS?
The 17.5" has ETT 3mm longer than my Swift (less than a glove!) but is quite a bit slacker (68.8 degress vs 71.5).
I think they look good, I'd like a go!
What forks?
NB 27.2 seatpost, not very dropper-able.
Yup, would be SS'd and I'd stick a rigid fork on it. Not too bothered about dropperability.
Not so pretty, or slack, but the Fortitude frameset comes with forks:
http://www.tweekscycles.com/Product.do?method=view&n=3549&g=320876&p=320877&c=215&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=Base&utm_campaign=Hardtail%20Frames&gclid=CPPJxpbR3bMCFXHLtAodNmYALw
I'm liking EBBs though, gearing my Swift was a doddle.
i've got one!
well, i've got a frame... not quite finished building it just yet...
(photo's will be posted when it's done though!)
NB 27.2 seatpost, not very dropper-able.
i disagree, there are plenty of go-go-gadget seatposts that will fit, and they're mostly at the affordable end of the market.
Pics when ready please. Geared or SS?
geared.
i've got a 4-day weekend starting in 6 hours, it'll be built + ridden + shown for inspection by sunday.
Building the bike will take a few hours, tidying the yard/garden before the pics will take a few days...
Forget the garden, a tidy garden is a sign of someone squandering riding opportunities.
Yup, would be SS'd and I'd stick a rigid fork on it. Not too bothered about dropperability.
This is not going to end well.
I'm really liking the genesis bikes of late.
NB 27.2 seatpost, not very dropper-able
Good, don't see the point in making a nice comfy steel frame then wacking a drainpipe of a seatpost in.
Understand it for long travel bikes. but not really on a 29er like this.
Matt, that English is lovely but I'm guessing it's *slightly* more expensive than the Genesis
Gravity Dropper are available in27.2 flavour. And they work....
Matt, that English is lovely but I'm guessing it's *slightly* more expensive than the Genesis
Time to raid the pension fund?
Ridden one. The alfine version. Was a nice ride. Handled well climbed well descended well. Hated the alfine hub mind you.
Does anybody know the weight of these frames?
What did you not like about the Alfine?
Yeah, I'd be interested to know weights. Some of those Genesis bikes seem a bit lardy but that may be down to the build I suppose. It's how it rides, not what it weighs, though, innit?
Just felt really disconnected. Indirect. Horrible feeling. Got used to it after a while but still wasn't a fan.
collie - MemberDoes anybody know the weight of these frames?
my 20" incher is a shade under 5.5lbs / 2450g
build update: going well, might even get to ride it today 🙂
(rear wheel/tyre needed the help of a ghetto-inflator - which was great fun!)
sssshhh will you please stop going on about these, last thing i need is them all sold before I get the chance to try/buy one!
(awaiting deliver of a insurance replacement to my m8, to try one..)
How tall are you Ahwiles? (to go 20")
i'm 6'2"
i don't think i'm [i]very[/i] tall, but i know i've got very long legs (36") - i've always needed big frames - i tried using really long seatposts, but i couldn't find a 500mm seatpost...
Slightly OT and mentioned above the Fortitude is a great frame.
I bought an Adventure frame as I had all the bits for a build (bar a wheel build).
As I was always going to run it rigid the non suspension corrected geometry was part of the appeal.
The £379 for the frame and fork seems good value to me especially given the (slightly) higher spec tubeset.
Pics of mine prior to a little tweaking .....
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Currently using a fat front but that coupled with the Alfine makes for a 32lb bike 😆
finished!
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it's a bit muddier now...
brief review: nice and neutral, if anything it's bit of a hooligan.
the azonic bars are an awful shape
smorgasboard tyres are really rather good - even in the wet leaf / root / rock / mud mix on my local loop. i was slipping all over the place, but predictably - no dramas.
i need a stiffer spring in my forks.
Nice colour. Overall geometry looks quite similar to my Swift, which I'd also describe as 'neutral', tho I'd probably phrase it as 'versatile', because it is. They're of the same ilk I think.
Go Ahwiles what the spec'd & (aprox) costs? Not doubting your bike building skills, but are you sure those bars should be in that position?
(approx prices)
frame £300
forks £160 (rockshox xc 32 - the heaviest forks ever made as it happens: 2200grams)
wheels £300? (slx hubs + mavic 719 rims + smorgasboard tyres)
and old 9-speed slx bits and bobs.
weight: 31 pounds!
are you sure those bars should be in that position?
nope, but that's where they feel least weird...
fwiw here's a side by side of my Swift against AH's bike. (Mine's a medium).
Good old spares bin SLX!
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oooh, Crookes baby...I loved that view.
Nice looking bike, considering one of the Alfine High Latitudes as we just swapped from Giant to Genesis as the works fleet of bikes....
Looks nice, ahwiles. But I have to say that Fortitude up there looks even nicerer
@cheez http://www.langsettcycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b107s459p9261&rs=gb&vid=26753 £765.
That's less, for a full build, than I spent on my Swift frame/forks + wheels (Hope Hoops/Crests) + tyres (the rest being cannibalised from elsewhere). (Watch that the Truvativ cranks aren't an odd BCD that are hard to get chainrings for - I have a set, gave up, and bought XT).
I like my Fortitude. Now running XT tubeless wheels and XT clutch rear mech.
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Is it the pic or do those (2.2?) X Kings come up really big?
They are quite large.
@matt
A good deal but a) I'm skint at the mo, b) I would be swapping kit over so only need wheels, frame, fork and c) I really want Stans rims for light tubelessnesss. Fortitude does look proper nice, though.
Can't help thinking that light rims are a must on a 29er. Please convince me otherwise, cos it will save me a few bob. Ta.
Love that English bike.
I can't convince you otherwise - I bought Crests, which I will get years of use from whatever bike they go on. (But then I cancelled out the Crests with whopping great Hans Dampfs).
I started with Rocket Rons, which are light too, but if I had those on in current conditions I'd be basically sat stationary digging a deep trench with the rear wheel.
Mister P
You don't happen to be over shrewsbury way do you?
I was lusting at a fortitude last week in daves shop.
Its was VERY similar to yours.
Nope, not mine. To be honest mine looks very much like a stock one unless you get up close and see pretty much everything has been upgraded.
Hi all, another happy Genesis owner here!
After I've sold my On-one Inbred which was too heavy and stiff for my liking, I've purchased the High Latitude SS frame and built her up to this:
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It's a 34-18 with Reba forks, XT brakes, XT hubs with Mavic TN719 rims, SLX M665 cranks...all I can say is: I love this bike! Only ridden it a few times, hasn't been to a proper off-road session yet, but I'm sure it'll deliver!
Also, I've built the Fortitude frame, it's a 3spd Sturmey with SP Dynamo up front, polished Stylo OCT cranks, Gussett chain and pedals, Salsa forks(that I will replace with the original Genesis Fortitude ones). Schwalbe Smart Sam tyres does a good job of being quite nippy on tarmac, yet provide enough grip on the towpaths etc.
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...and in a SS mode with Big Apple tyres:
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Just to prove that I'm a serious Genesis (s)nob here's my iO SS:
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Good, don't see the point in making a nice comfy steel frame then wacking a drainpipe of a seatpost in.Understand it for long travel bikes. but not really on a 29er like this.
Got it in one! Adding an oversize ST for dropper post compatibility is a fair point in theory but not as straightforward as that. It's important to remember that's not just the seatpost that adds to the ride, it is the frame itself and the tubes used (sum of all parts). Adding 32.5 seat tube adds significant frame stiffness and also means you have to increase size of top tube because of extra force on that tube. So two considerably bigger tubes adding quite a bit of weight, especially with 520 and all just to have dropper post option.
For example, a 3mm increase in tube diameter creates a tube that is 80% stiffer - which, over two tubes is a hell of a lot. Larger dia. tubes would be ok on longer travel frame (designed for 120mm plus) as usage is different, potential stresses are obviously more (especially on top tube) and stiffness would be more beneficial.
The key thing is strength of steel tubes is so massive that small changes have big effects, in stiffness and in weight, much more so than alloy or ti. It is far far stiffer (youngs modulus number) than both those materials, strength (i.e. Density) dictates this,but it is thus also a heavier metal (because of the density) and this is why steel tubes are much smaller and have that classic steel ride feel. Alloy or ti tubes at traditional steel diameter would fail very quickly as they do not have the strength.