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That'll do me, just like that with rigid forks - that'll do everything that I want to do. Perfect 8)
When's it available?
That looks lovely. Want.
+1000000
Suit me too, that is very nice and will do everything I need.
Bung a carbon fork on it & I'm in
Details here btw
http://singletrackmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/hot-from-icebike-genesis-reveal-the-future-today/
Looks like a whole lot of fun 🙂
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What size is that new Aksium wheel on the road bike beside it?
This looks brilliant!
I've wanted a Krampus since I first saw pictures of them, but it looks as if "+" is going to be 650B+ rather than 29+ as a mainstream platform. It's all good.
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looks really good,
looks like it need a really short stem..
really hope the Deore one comes in at a C2W price band 🙂
Looks fantastic, just don't want to see yet another axle 'standard'. I understand why they needed to do it for this bike, but 148/110mm...
650b+ Maxxis chronicle very interesting too...
Defo need a like button on here!
Wheel standards fail, though.
We've already had a 110 axle which was better.
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We already have a larger rear axle standard.
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Not to mention the other larger axle standards that fat bikes already have. It just seems like enormously hard work to make it ride a certain way whilst dodging existing standards, all for marginal benefit for the people that will end up riding it- most likely not particularly talented nichemongers.
It looks a laugh, but it's pointlessly impractical as it is.
Oh, it's completely practical - just ****in annoying.
Pressfit BB - yukky.
Rest looks ace though!
It looks a laugh, but it's pointlessly impractical [b]as it is.[/b]
This is only a prototype, they'll sort that out at production stage you'd hope. Personally I like it; I ride a Krampus which I love to bits and this looks like it could well be just as good.
But different
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Yes Tim, i'm sure 1.5" smaller wheels will make all the difference 😉
for marginal benefit for the people that will end up riding it- most likely not particularly talented nichemongers.
If talent was the qualifier to ride any bike I'd have given up years ago. What a narrow minded thing to say.
I think it could be a real success. I for one would like a test ride, as am slightly 'fat bike curious' but really cant justify one. Most of my riding is tecky natural west of Scotland xc stuff, and my sole MTB is a Soul with 120 travel and reverb. I reckon that Genesis would compliment it well for a different angle on the same stuff, without going 'fully fat'. I have been thinking about a Genesis Caribou, but that somehow looks more appropriate..
Rocketdog- talent is no qualifier. But 95% of people that ride bikes aren't particularly talented, and probably won't find the benefits of 148 noticeable, or more importantly worth the hassle of trying to find an axle for it in the nearest bike shop having left theirs on the garage floor at home when they were loading the car.
I suspect that the 5% that are talented won't be particularly interested in a rigid 650b+ Genesis.
True, Be easy to make it 135/100mm after all genesis make a 29+ compatible with those standards, I suspect it's a "coz we can" exercise & production might be different. It's done its job & got us talking about it though
It certainly has. I'd prefer a different colour if I was being really picky 😀
I could find space for one.
As I understand it, we can have 3" tyres (like the Krampus) with a 135mm backend (like the Krampus) and a 73mm BB (like the Krampus) as long as we have a single ring up front. Or we can have 2/3 rings up front if we do away with the larger cogs on the cassette. Funny how Surly managed to make all that work and yet now we need more "standards".
i think that looks great
With deore kit that should sneak in under a grand and cycle to work schemes I'd guess. Looks superb
Not convinced myself I'm afraid.
The STW blurb on that bike describes it as 'long and low' and 'slack angled'. If you're going to have a long bike then why not use the space to fit the biggest wheels you can ie 29+.
Slack angled implies the intention of rattling down steep, rough trails as fast as possible. If that was going to form a significant part of my riding I'd ride a bike with at least front suspension.
At Core Bike I saw a Kinesis FF29 fitted with 650B+ wheels and rigid fork. That looked superb, compact and just the tool for ripping up rooty singletrack.
I suspect it has been designed around impending suspension fork releases as alluded in the article (although not sure why given i'd have thought a 650b+ must fit a decent size 29er fork) as that rigid fork looks sus corrected to me if we assume the outer diameter is roughly the same as a 29er.
Looks sus-corrected with a good inch shorter back end than a 29+ bike. Boost standard forks due along fairly soon, more room than the forks that have had WTB 2.8s in at some shows. Those tyres look a fair bit bigger. Bike looks good in a back-in-black way : )The STW blurb on that bike describes it as 'long and low' and 'slack angled'. If you're going to have a long bike then why not use the space to fit the biggest wheels you can ie 29+.
Slack angled implies the intention of rattling down steep, rough trails as fast as possible. If that was going to form a significant part of my riding I'd ride a bike with at least front suspension
As has been said it looks sus corrected. Having owned three 29+ bikes and finding them all a bit unwieldy for serious trail riding, this looks ideal.
Anyone know of a launch date or confirmed specs.
Anyone know of a launch date or confirmed specs.
Have you asked Genesis?
I have asked Genesis and they haven't replied. If and when they do I'll post up on here with anything useful.
Pleased to say that a few days ago we figured out a way to run a std 73mm threaded BB without having to resort either a press-fit BB (for additional weld surface area) or an expensive and heavy chainstay yoke and still good tyre clearance. That's what it'll be running in production guise. Still using the driveside plate but with a heavily worked non-driveside chainstay (1x/2x compatible). Plan is to have it as part of our 2016 lineup available later this summer. x2 models - one affordable build running Deore 2x10 and the rigid fork and another running a new 1x11 groupset, dropper post, new 120mm trail forks (w/35mm stanchions) and some new tubeless tyres. The idea behind the rigid forks was two-fold - have product early as poss. (the suspension fork manuf. don't seem to be able to react as quickly as the tyre/rim folks) and also have an affordable option. Happy to answer any other questions but can't go into too much detail about build kit as a lot of it is still to be announced.
What do Genesis consider "affordable"? Is that going to squeeze in under a grand?
They'll sell lots of those if they can sneak it under £1000.
A smidgen over unfortunately. Still a limited pool of parts to choose from so this hikes up the spec (and therefore price) in areas we'd ideally go with lower level parts to meet a certain pricepoint. Mainly hubs, rims and tyres in this particular case. Lower level stuff will undoubtedly follow but it'll take a while to filter down.
Still want one 😀
our C2W scheme is May, here's hoping I can delay using voucher and squeeze one in somehow....
That looks like a fun bike.
Sounds like Genesis has the best two build options- budget/functional and bling/light.
I'm intrigued as to what fork will be able to take 27.5+.
I think I'm in for the budget version.
Alb - will the rigid fork be available to buy separately (for those wanting an option)?
Will it still be 148mm spacing?
It's a good job an lbs told me yesterday all the longtitude framesets are sold out
Sorry, forgot the frameset option. It'll ship with frame, rigid fork, rear thru-axle and headset. We'll be carrying fork spare stock also. Fork-wise existing 29er dimensions apply (120mm sus corrected - 495mm a-c/51mm offset). Frame will be 148x12mm spaced, fork 110x15mm
This will be cracker. Hope the weight is reasonable.
Question is, will Hope do some 148x12 spacers for the normal Pro II..
Great to get some further insight, thanks Alb. On my wanted list!
[quote=cokie ]This will be cracker. Hope the weight is reasonable.
Question is, will Hope do some 148x12 spacers for the normal Pro II..
And 110x15?
Have I missed it somewhere? - is the rigid fork steel (I very much hope so) or aluminium (I hope not...)
I'd say steel
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It's aluminium. Suspension-corrected at a height of 495mm out of steel would req. 31.8mm fork blades to get it through current EN and future ISO testing regs. The thinking was that the increased air volume from the 3.0" tyre helps to take some sting out of the move to an aluminium fork with the added bonus that you're not left with a boat anchor out front (and that's without factoring in a steel tapered steerer - not sure that'd you'd need it though tbh). Very limited options for thru-axle dropouts in steel vs. aluminium too - unless you tool up for your own casting. Would've loved to have gone with a steel fork but the cons outweighed the pros on this one.
Real pity its going to be over the C2W limit 🙁
What's the head angle with a 120mm fork? Also chainstay as well please? And lastly given its 650b+ will a 29er 2.4 ardent fit in the rear or is the outer diameter too big for the stays?
Edit sorry just seen the headangle is 68 with a 120mm fork.
Alb - Member
It's aluminium. Would've loved to have gone with a steel fork but the cons outweighed the pros on this one
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After all that info, still want one!
Andy - if you can spare a few more pennies then the Kinesis carbon fork is 490mm corrected and I'm pretty certain can take a knard so should take a 650b+ if the genesis fork doesn't work for you.
Kinesis fork is too narrow - got one on my High Latitude, and a 29x3.00 Chronicle on my Fortitude. Wafer thin clearance on the combo - not enough to be practical.
Better to build the bike right rather than hit C2W - esp as that bike would clearly ripping the piss out of C2W.
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^^^ I stand corrected 😀
Gotama - Member
Andy - if you can spare a few more pennies then the Kinesis carbon fork is 490mm corrected and I'm pretty certain can take a knard so should take a 650b+ if the genesis fork doesn't work for you.
I'm sure the Genesis fork would be fine - it's just me, I've never liked aluminium rigid forks, even the idea of them. Or carbon, for that matter.
Alloy fork will be grand. Got a Jones unicrown on the Fortitude. Cush comes from the Chronicle, not the fork.
[url= http://www.bikerumor.com/2015/03/04/hands-on-with-the-hope-crankset-plus-new-fat-bike-spindle-and-boost-148-hub/ ]hope boost 148 hub[/url]
So hope are doing a boost 148 hub but it has a different shell so maybe no converter cokie.
fair pointe re getting the spec right rather than hitting the magic £1k C2W, although I disagree that such a bike on the scheme would be ripping the p... - the ethos of many of the schemes, incl my Employers one, is to get a fitter workforce, who are in theory less sick and better motivated and in this regard they aren't too fussed that the bike isn't used for regular commuting....
anyway, back on topic, looking forward to hearing full spec details and more info on launch date and costings when they are available 🙂
Seatpost size for dropper?
Well that looks like my next bike sorted and it gives me time to save up some pennies 🙂
interestingly, looking on the Genesis site at spec and price of the Longitude, this looks similarly specced in Deore guise, so would hope it could be similarly priced as a 27.5 equivalent... ? The Longitude is £1k.
Ianinc see above
A smidgen over unfortunately. Still a limited pool of parts to choose from so this hikes up the spec (and therefore price) in areas we'd ideally go with lower level parts to meet a certain pricepoint. Mainly hubs, rims and tyres in this particular case. Lower level stuff will undoubtedly follow but it'll take a while to filter down.
iainc - Memberour C2W scheme is May, here's hoping I can delay using voucher and squeeze one in somehow....
Ahhh... just as well our C2W scheme allows bikes up to 3K 8)
nobeer - you really can be annoying when you try 🙂 Will have to see what our LBS guys can do...
Thanks Iain, you're making me blush...
I'm sure our LBS guys may play a blinder, as ever...
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Seatpost size for dropper?
31.6mm - stealth dropper port on the ST. Shares the cable routing along the DT for the side-swing FD. Trying to find a decent length shim to offer the more affordable model with a shimmed 27.2mm post.
Trying to find a decent length shim to offer the more affordable model with a shimmed 27.2mm post.
Interesting.. is the 27.2mm to try and incorporate more flex and make it more comfortable? Surely the large ST diameter will negate this. Plus, as you say with the Ali fork, the 3.0'' tyres offer enough give to take away the sting.
Personally I'd prefer the 31.6mm post. I hate shims.
I'd like something very much like that with 100/135 spacing to allow me to use my Son dynamo hub and Rohloff, obviously I'd also want an ebb or sliding dropouts. It seems to me that it would make a great winter bike set up like that. In fact for me it would probably be the only bike I'd want all year round.
@Alb cheers for that, 31.6mm dropper. A straight swap over with my Thomson dropper post, ace.
so in the real world how would this, in rigid mode, compare to a Longitude ? My other mtb is a Soul...
iainc - Memberso in the real world how would this, in rigid mode, compare to a Longitude ? My other mtb is a Soul...
650B... the trails will come alive 😉
I ride a Surly Krampus with 50mm rims and 3" tyres (very similar to a Longitude) so would also be interested to demo one of these as a comparison.
Found a photo of the FF29 B+ at Core Bike. Not the best photo I'm afraid but I'd have it over the Genesis any day. It just looked so much more compact.
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so in the real world how would this, in rigid mode, compare to a Longitude ? My other mtb is a Soul...
650B... the trails will come alive 🙂
I ride a Surly Krampus with 50mm rims and 3" tyres (very similar to a Longitude) so would also be interested to demo one of these as a comparison.
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I have to say, it does just scream fun exactly as it is there. I am more interested in the Monstercross though, that doesn't seem to have generated as much interest.
^^ It does look like a lot of fun 🙂 I do wonder whether it would be 'different enough' to my conventional hard tail, but I reckon for winter mank and some wilder adventure stuff it most likely would be...