Anyone seen that the Gen 4 Levo from Spesh has just dropped?
Now has a 840wh battery
If you buy the S works version you get 720 watts peak power and 111nm of torque
If you cant afford the S works at £12'500 then the lower models come with 101nm of torque, 666 watts peak power and is slower to charge
23.68kg for the S works
Im still riding my Gen 2 Levo, did think about upgrading but the Gen 4 puts me off for the following reasons
Two teir motor power, you have to buy the S works to get full power, seems a bit off to me, not sure why Spesh have done this and who's to say if you buy the Sworks for this reason and then later Spesh decide to release an update for the lower teir bikes upgrading them to the full power the S works has
The S works is now heavier than my gen 2 expert at 23.68kg
The battery is now fitted and removed from the side of the down tube rather than being slotted in from the bottom, doesnt look as nice
More info here
Benji has done a writeup on this very site!!
Benji has done a writeup on this very site!!
Where is this as all i can find is a 2024 SL in the news section?
Benji's been riding the previous version.
Are we only a year or two away from paying a subscription to get extra power or other "premium" features from an ebike...?
Ah... though I saw that earlier... via the homepage... but just looked and couldn't find it on the news page : https://singletrackmag.com/category/news/
Thought I might have had a memory fail and read it elsewhere! 🤡
A mate just sent me this.
They're having a launch party for it this evening.
What an absolute yawn fest of a new bike.
Yep, very underwhelming.
Not a bad bike at all, but the same as all the rest for a lot more money
Bet these will be heavily discounted in 6 months time.
Two teir motor power, you have to buy the S works to get full power, seems a bit off to me,
It's about time punters got something extra to go with the s****y badge. Besides, it's not like the non-S-Works motor is gutless...
Still very happy with my Gen 2 alloy one! Its a little short and steep (20mm less reach and 1 deg more HA) than ideal for gnarlier trails but it’s still way faster than me and probably better suited to my local trails than the newer version.
And the software-based S-Works only getting full power thing is just the worst…
Will there be a separate SL or is it just one platform with different battery options now?
The rumours were that seeing as they seem to have just given up on the full fat Kenevo, the new Levo was going to be longer travel.
Travel and geometry are the same as the Gen3, so it's pretty much a slight aesthetic change losing the side bar, with a motor and battery upgrade. The non drive side is pretty gopping with the side loading battery tbf
Will obviously keep an eye on how the motor is received and consider one in a few years. For now happy with my heavily discounted '24 S-Works that's lighter and has plenty enough power and range for me
Another Gen 2 owner here. With a Trailwatts booster so thats me up to Gen 4 capacity at 900+w if needed and as for the electronic vajazzle.... hmmm. Just how much power do you need to go 15mph and there is only so steep a gradient before you loop out....but if you have the cash, carry on. Maybe available on teh B2W scheme with the right employer...
Gen 2 with brose motor so serviceable. I'll stick I think.
Benji's been riding the previous version.
Are we only a year or two away from paying a subscription to get extra power or other "premium" features from an ebike...?
Bosch already do this!
https://www.bosch-ebike.com/en/products/flow-plus
To be fair, some of it needs a mobile data connection on the bike, so there is an ongoing cost to Bosch, but some of it is just basic analysis of the data you produced such as human power vs motor power.
The best thing about the new Specialized is the 60min to 80% charge time. Would be useful for any uplift days or long rides where you stop for lunch and find somewhere to charge it
Not a cheap bike, though these are all the carbon framed versions, maybe a slightly cheaper ally version will appear in 6 months (ala the 2022 version). As above, I'm not seeing a compelling reason to move from my Gen 3 version, unlike my move previously from the Gen 2 model (Gen 3 is a much better handling bike IMO). No news on whose motor it actually is?
Edit:
the longer dropper post fitment would be nice, but again not a reason to upgrade
FB has quite a few post from ppl selling almost new Gen 3's, so some ppl are clamouring to have the latest and greatest (bargin time for those after a cheap 2nd hand e-bike)
From the PB article, US spec bikes seem to have the option to raise the speed limit up to 28mph
Some nice additions but not enough to tempt me from my S Works gen 3.
I’ve been a bit of a Spesh fanboy over the last decade or so , but the latest stuff isn’t great in my opinion. The Stumpjumper 15 seems a backward step from the two tier previous models (I have what must be a ‘14’ standard which is a great out and out trail bike, and others had the option of the Evo) and now this seems a bit meh compared to the gen 3 and more importantly its competitors. My wife is looking at a full power trail bike in the next 12-18 months, but don’t think this will be it sadly, and it seems from most of the comments that many others think similarly over on Pinkbike. Mike Kazimer, who I generally find a good reviewer like Benji of this parish, didn’t seem overly impressed either in his initial review. Will wait for real world feedback, but suspect something with the Bosch motor will be better,
Base model Levo is £800 more than the equivalent Amflow with a similar spec
Too much money for not enough bike.
But more importantly, Specialized are American, so on the banned list
Too much money for not enough bike.
I'm with you on the 'too much money' - most of them are, but what would make it 'enough bike'?
Just interested in what you'd have liked to have seen innovatively
Anyone seen that the Gen 4 Levo from Spesh has just dropped?
PMSL - I've never seen a bike more heavily promoted on my social media. Every Tom, Dick, Harry and Benji has been doing a video, magazine article, and no doubt podcast. It's annoying the crap out of me, especially as i've never shown any interest whatsoever in owning an e-bike.
From the PB article, US spec bikes seem to have the option to raise the speed limit up to 28mph
There's rumour that you can make this work in the UK by using a VPN - as you can with the Amflow by pretending you are in New Zealand
I doubt it. It is the frame serial number that decides what 'E' components and software work with the bike on current generations. Hence you can't just bolt on a 2nd gen SL motor onto your 1st gen bike, or replace the basic TCU with a Mastermind TCU. And if you update a bike while in a different country, it will still update as per the country of origin. There's no way to cheat the system at dealer level on previous gen Levo so I'd be amazed if you can with this one.
I am new to ebikes and have recently bought one of the discounted Gen 3's. One of the things I am really enjoying is climbing back up the steepest way I can without flipping out.
I haven't actually tried a more powerful bike but I can't see why I would need more power or where I would use it? (I am 78kg and reasonably fit with a fast cadence).
I also don't think I would want a heavier bike but I would like a bike that didn't stop assisting me at 27kph, its its most annoying feature.
So, all in all, I'm sure they'll sell lots but the old one is good enough (for me).
Does anyone know if that NLS device works on a 2025 Turbo Levo?
but I would like a bike that didn't stop assisting me at 27kph, its its most annoying feature.
Levociraptor is £280 and can be fitted behind the top tube TCU in ten minutes. You take a chance with warranty, but Brose motors generally aren't silly money to repair
So here we are again. Devices and methods to cheat laws and regulations- laws put in place to help protect us from idiots. There will come a day when a walker or other cyclist is killed by someone with a chipped e-bike and then more regulations will come down on everyone. What is the difference between a Suron and a de-restricted e-bike? Oh yes, Suron’s aren’t ridden by “nice” people? It rather belies the argument of e-bikes to go further or do more laps - just mostly lazy, healthy youngster's who want to go faster!
Just imagine if we were allowed to drive cars that weren't restricted to 70mph.
Oh, hold on....
I really don’t understand the comparison that you are attempting to make there?
The ability of a car to travel at over 70mph on a road with a driver who has vehicle registration, tax, licence and insurance has no relevance on the legality or moral acceptability of a bike doing 28mph off road on bridleways, trails and other paths with a rider who has none of the above. It's a further blurring of the lines between bicycles and motorbikes. Specialized should withdraw that feature, as Kazimer wrote on Pinkbike.
The class 3 feature is only available in the us where their ebike laws are a mess already.
Ours haven't been de restricted. I personally can't see the point but each to there own.
Most riders i drop on whilst out on the trails say they are of the same opinion, no matter which make of bike they are on so I would like to think its only the minority who are doing it.
The class 3 feature is only available in the us where their ebike laws are a mess already.
Yeah, in theory, but there's already people talking about cheating that so it works here
There are people on this forum who have used “tweaks”, a post above references the company that will make your bike illegal to use.
Same here as @Tracey
Absolutely no one I know that also owns an ebike is interested in going faster up a fireroad or on a flat trail.
The class 3 feature is only available in the us where their ebike laws are a mess already.
Yeah, in theory, but there's already people talking about cheating that so it works here
Yep of course, but if it didn't have the class 3 feature the same people would have just bought a defeat device instead, so it makes no difference really.
If you want to remove the motor speed limit there's always a way,regardless of the bike/motor type.
Apologies, didn't intend to turn a new model thread into a deristriction debate.
I could blather on about how I use mine, but I've done it all before and it would sound like I'm trying to justify my choices. Again.
All said, I use it how I use it and I probably wouldn't buy one I couldn't deristrict, which is why I bought a Specialized again, as they are easy to alter. Bosch and the rim sensors are a pain by all accounts
Apparently, class 3 mode restricts power output and so far attempts to trick it via a VPN have unsuccessful in the UK.
How come the motor can do 720w? I thought they were restricted to 250w or something? I assume they say the 720w isn't continuous or something? How long will an engine do above 250w?
