[Closed] Garmin Etrex10 pre purchase thoughts

Two things to note-

No maps built in "basemap" will just about show the motorway network. You will be able to see a line and whether you're on it or not

I've had older pre mapping B&w Garmin. Currently have an Eurex 20 (colour screen) and use it with OS mapping. The B&w line on map solution is easier to follow sometimes but of course you have far less info.

Gpx files will just give you a line tho follow, there will be no map and you can't add road or trail maps to it. The included base map is a bit of a misnomer and is useless.

Would it be better to go to the Etrx20, spend a tad more?

I dont want to get into wallet wars.

Etrex 20 is colour but maps are still extra.

But you can download maps whereas the etrex10 you cant at all? All I want is something where I can download someones ride that they created on gpx and glance down and say ok - keep going, turn left in abit.

Not sure if the interface has changed, but it wouldn't connect via USB to a windows 8 laptop...

I have the 20, which I think is the same but colour. Open street maps can be had for free or something like £10 on a pre-packaged sd card which seem every bit as good as Os stuff.

Adding / removing gpx files is easy enough but you can't make it record to sd card, they go to internal memory, so you have to use a cable to get them off.

5thElefant so I could take this: http://www.bike-treks.co.uk/content/route-guide-003-mtb-circuit-of-coniston-quality-descents-best-kept-secret-out.aspx

Download the GPX onto my pc then transfer straight across. It'll then show me on the map where I am in relation to where I should be and if I'm deviating?

This is ALL NEW to me! I just need to fill in the gaps to how it all works and how I'd like something to work for me. (If that makes sense).

Edit: I want a device where I load a gpx route that someone else has already created. I power up and set off- it shows me which way I should turn and its clear if I'm deviating. Of course you cant have a satnav that says 'turn around if possible' - just something that is visually clear.

..it might also show cheeky trails on a gpx route. I'd like that 🙂

On the etrex 20, yes.

If you don't have a map installed you'll just see a route to follow and an arrow showing where you are in relation to it. With a map installed you'll see it overlayed on a map. It doesn't give you any instructions (turn left in 50m etc), just the visual route.

I think the 10 is the same, just doublecheck it supports maps.

I don't think the 10 does- the 20 adds this ability.

If I wanted to download a map of the Lakes onto the 20 - where could I get it from?

there's a nice little comparison chart on the 'info' tab at the bottom of this page:-

http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/garmin-etrex-20-gps-p191377

etrex 20 comes with Open Street Map (OSM) maps of the UK - these are very good with trails shown. Some people prefer them to OS maps. If you want more of the world, free OSM maps are available to download here:-

http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/

Hora,

I've had various Garmins. Get the one that allows you to display the OS maps. I think the Etrex 30 is the first model in the range that will take an SD card with full UK OS mapping.

You don't have to buy the maps on SD card now, but the best deals often include the full UK 1:50 maps at the time of purchase.

Why get the full maps?

It's nice to see the alternatives as you pass by. Mmm I wonder where that good looking BW leads?

If you're a roadie I'm sure you could manage with open source maps, but for mountain biking full OS mapping is the way to go.

Hth
Marko

I'd just caution that following a gps route off road isn't nearly as easy as you might expect.

Up in the lakes in the middle of a moor it's pretty easy to glance down and know you want the left fork. In the woods at the meeting of 3 bridle ways or looking for a cheeky trail it can still be difficult. Screens are small and pretty low res, 1:50 maps dont have huge amounts of detail (and 1:25 very pricey - though not so bad if you just want a region). I didn't get on with open streetmap (though probably much better now than s few years back).

It's often a case of looking down and realising you've missed a turn (but still much quicker/less off course than going wrong with a map).

Also, don't expect it to just work. GPX files don't seem to be as much of a standard as you'd expect. Starting somewhere on a loop other than the original start point can be a faff.

It all works - just not as quick, simple or pain free as you'd hope IME

I think the Etrex 30 is the first model in the range that will take an SD card with full UK OS mapping.

etrex 20 will support OS maps on an sdcard.

FWIW I much prefer OS maps, but a lot of folk rave about and prefer the OSM maps.

actually that bundle deal linked by cp at goutdoors doesn't seem bad does it?

Googles first result shows up at £115. Lots of "questionable" OS mapping on eBay.

Get the 20 - Etrex (big, buttons) or Dakota (smaller, touchscreen). Download the free OS Style maps with contours overlaid (OSM based and better than OS imho) from talkytoaster.

Oh, and get some decent rechargeable AAs too.

actually that bundle deal linked by cp at goutdoors doesn't seem bad does it?

I'd hunt around and see if you can get the Etrex 30 with full UK OS maps on a deal. I think the £20 voucher gets you a 10X10 Km square at 1:25?

Also, don't expect it to just work. GPX files don't seem to be as much of a standard as you'd expect.

I've never had a problem with the files I've created and uploaded. Biggest problem has always been Garmin's software/interface. Calling it 'clunky' would be kind.

Hth
Marko

Get the eTrex 20 and download the Talky Toaster or Openstreetmaps Garmin maps. You don't really need the OS maps. They are nice but very expensive and probably overkill for mountain biking.

eTrex 10 has a built in basemap which is practically useless, and you can't install detailed maps.

Also, don't expect it to just work. GPX files don't seem to be as much of a standard as you'd expect.

Never ever had a problem with my edge 800.

Starting somewhere on a loop other than the original start point can be a faff.

again, never had a problem with this - as long as I don't hit 'navigate to start' it will pick up wherever you are en-route

actually that bundle deal linked by cp at goutdoors doesn't seem bad does it?

it's not that great. the voucher doesn't get you much and the unit is cheaper elsewhere.

Handtec have some tasty pricing on etrex 20 and 30, albeit 'due in soon'. worth an email to them... they also have refurb's 20's for 100 quid.

Get the eTrex 20 and download the Talky Toaster or Openstreetmaps Garmin maps. You don't really need the OS maps. They are nice but very expensive and probably overkill for mountain biking.

Sorry I don't agree. I've tried the OSM maps before I had a Garmin that could take the proper OS maps. No contest if you ride off road, as there is not a single BW (in my area at least) on OSM maps.

Marko

So buy the unit alone then get the maps from which website/url?

I need abit of handholding here 😀

The other factor in buying a GPS is mounting it on the bike. The mounts for the Etrex are poor. My Etrex 20 is currently hiding in the undergrowth at the Forest of Dean (or has found a new owner). I replaced it with a Garmin 810 and a much better mount.

the maps have been suggested multiple times above - talkytoaster or garmin.openstreetmap.nl

HOWEVER, the Etrex20 comes with what Garmin describe as 'TOPO UK & Ireland Light Map'. This is the Open Street Map for UK and Ireland - it will probably be good enough for what you describe you want.

The other factor in buying a GPS is mounting it on the bike. The mounts for the Etrex are poor.

I dare not mention that a used edge 800 or 810 might be better for fear of making matters worse....!

better mount, bigger screen (albeit similar resolution) smaller unit

Garmin 810

Thats getting too spendy though. Interms of the mount I'd use the standard mount and ghetto/ziptie/tape etc to ensure it stays. I'm sure Cumbrian sheep would approve 8)

the maps have been suggested multiple times above - talkytoaster or garmin.openstreetmap.nl

If I buy from a German retailer and download above I should be fine? Thats another option.

The Luddite fear is I'll only have the Black Forest to look at 😉 😀

Genuine Garmin mounts are fine for Etrex. Never dropped a GPS even in the Alps. Only downside is they're zip tied on. Use a lanyard as a backup and peace of mind. Cheap ebay ones drop the unit.

Go for at least a 20 and if you can a 30. The 30 has barometric altimeter which means Strava (boo) gives more weight to the actual ascent figures abeit still low.

I use the etrex 30 and talkytoaster OSM maps and they're great. I don't think the OS maps will do 'track up' only 'north up', correct me if I'm wrong here.

Check out the new 'x' series with higher res screen

[url= http://www.asadventure.co.uk/garmin-gps-etrex-30x-2512C52006 ]etrex30x[/url]

' used' was the key word 🙂

Etrex 20 will be fine, get one from anywhere and you'll be able to get local mapping for free via the open street map links.

The mounts for the Etrex are poor.

And yet I can't get mine off! This seems to be another random thing. Never lost mine once, but I always have a lanyard on it just in case.

Hora,

If you can't run to a GPS with full UK maps I'd at least get the Etrex 20 and then you have the option to upgrade to OS maps in the future.

Hth
Marko

Before you buy, see if go outdoors sell it. They will match and beat ANY online price by 10%!

On the maps front I have OS, Garmin City Nav and open street maps. In comparison I much prefer the Open street maps. They are clearly, better detail and very accurate where I have been.

Download at http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl and I think the routeable bike openFietsMap look the best for formatting and colours on the Etrex and Edge

Looks like the 30 can come with preloaded maps:

http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/garmin-etrex-30-gps-topo-uk-and-ireland-light-A2110188?channel_code=110&id_colour=180&product_code=92569046&utm_source=google&_$ja=tsid:45886&gclid=CJrqg-H_k8YCFQ_MtAodJy8AOg&gclsrc=aw.ds

The above^ also has a map of a cheeky trail that I know displayed! 😀

http://www.garmin.com/uk/topolight/

By cheeky trail, do you mean footpath? Yes, these will appear on both OS and other widely available maps. Clever in'it.

FWIW I much prefer OS maps, but a lot of folk rave about and prefer the OSM maps.

No contest if you ride off road, as there is not a single BW (in my area at least) on OSM maps.

get all my maps from that garmin.openstreetmap.nl site

Question.. Can they do roads too? UK and other? Obviously without sound. It'd be great to have a dual purpose use.

The OSM roads are good, and it will also route you on the roads giving you say Nav type instructions.

IIRC the Etrex 30 routes to a given location but struggled to plot a known route on roads with directions of there is too many waypoints

must be pretty remote

Nope Wye Valley. Even some of the minor roads are wrong.

I think the big issue with any map that's not OS is the legal status of the route you are following. At least with the OS map you can wave it at Mr Red Socks/irate land owner and point out your legal right to be there - or not as the case maybe 😆

Marko

I think the big issue with any map that's not OS is the legal status of the route you are following. At least with the OS map you can wave it at Mr Red Socks/irate land owner and point out your legal right to be there - or not as the case maybe

Except thats not correct, and OS have a disclaimer telling you as much.

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Except thats not correct, and OS have a disclaimer telling you as much.

Granted, but that's just the get out of jail free card for the OS.

Most people believe the rights of way net work is legally correct and that's what counts.
One old git moaned to us that:
[i]'I didn't take out a mortgage like Mrs Thatcher told us to do to buy my own house and land for you lot to ride over'.[/i]
Showed him the map and off he went - still moaning though.

Marko

Another for Etrex 20 and OSM. I have OS-like routable and contoured full UK and full France on my micro SD card.

Garmin are about to release an Etrex 30x with better screen and more internal memory. May be an idea to wait a couple of weeks and either bag the new model or get more off the older etrex.

I can wait a week or so to pick up the old. Had a play on one in the shop tonight.

It reminded me of mobile phones from 5-10yrs ago 😆 😀

Dakota 20 instead.

Colour touch screen, expandable via micro SD cards.

Free mapping from talkie toaster. I use the cheap Garmin bar mount and loop the lanyard on the bar in case although it's shown no inclination to cone loose at Whinlatter, Guisborough or the Dark Peak (Beast etc) yet.

Difference its meant to be handheld?

So is the Etrex...

Works just fine for me and was a much better buy than the Etrex 30 at the time.

I started out looking at Etrex 10's, then looked at 20's for the expandability. Finally went for the Dakota for spec/price on the go outdoors deal.

If you check my thread history there's a couple of lengthy pro/con debates.

There are times I wish it was an Edge 800 which so far as I can see is much easier to drive as a rider but it's also three-four times the price and I'm thinking that handheld/Walker oriented GPS is more relevant to mtb than Roadbike oriented stuff like the Edge series. If you're looking at Etrexes you've probably made the same decision.

The talky toaster maps have yet to throw me a curve on the NY Moors or Dark Peak.

You'll only get a breadcrumb trail on the Etrex 10. Useful, but not anywhere near as good as the 20.

The 20 and 30 will come with a basemap installed, which are pretty useless. Go OSM....or OS if you're feeling flush.

Seriously, if you're fearful of the faff why not just get an 800 or 810? Mines ace, works both for roads and off road and has turn by turn directions.